Beatty Richburg Walton Jerry Pugh

Yes, Schwartz should be plugged in at RG when he gets backed. Once they get another quality G, Richburg should move to center.

team..2 SBs attest to that

but the unit as a whole is playing much better and Beatty is holding up his end.

At least these last two games. The OL is emerging as big time strength of this team which is amazing considering the preseason. Kudos to Jerry Reese for restocking the OL after a horrid season.

if it ain't broke don't fix it

In comment 11884881 nybeast said:

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At least these last two games. The OL is emerging as big time strength of this team which is amazing considering the preseason. Kudos to Jerry Reese for restocking the OL after a horrid season.

Pre-season means and always has meant, squat. It's for getting in shape, learning the playbook and for the coaches to see what they have through many combinations..So there's nothing amazing about the OL..They picked good people and waited for them to get it together. It appears that they are doing just that..

i was with him in stating this line appeared talented, but would need time. I also agree that TC is in on personnel decisions. IMO, it's one of TC strengths. Those shooting arrows at Reese regarding personnel seemed to beleive TC is not a part of the decisions, I just don't think that's true.

sometimes the guy looks like shawn andrews out there and sometimes he looks like a load of crap. but that's been his story since he entered the league. strange player

the hell outta me. tough, physical and smart. plenty big.

to see more, but there is no denying they have looked awesome the last two games, and were pretty good against the Cardinals.

this OL has come together quicker than expected.....we all saw the OL in preseason....it was a horror show....it wasn't much different in the first game of the season....

The line is starting to gel....that's about all we could hope for....but an important part of this, is Eli getting rid of the ball quickly....there were some completions he made, that if he had just held onto the ball a little longer, he would have been hit.....

No doubt, the more they play together, and they can avoid injuries, the better they will be...and if Eli continues to get rid of the ball quickly, it will negate some of the line's shortcomings....last night, Washington started to cheat up close, and Eli barely missed on a couple of long passes.....even though he missed them, this shows that teams have to respect the short pass, and it will eventually open up the long game....OBj, get your butt out there....

But I feel like when Schwartz comes back, you have to find a way to keep Richburg and Walton on the field and sit Jerry.

This, of course, is naively assuming no one else goes down.

they will run the ball, they will throw passes between 5-15 yards all day long and throw deep rarely

as some have said already, the offensive scheme gets the ball out quick. They had 3-4 third and 5 or 6 yards to go, spread the defense out by going empty backfield and hit on quick throws that were easy pickings. These are the things they should have been doing after the 1st quarter last year vs Carolina. Some say the line sucked so bad, what could KG do? Well, I beleive we are seeing evidence of what can be done. Again, the talent they brought in is better, which helps, but if we were still running the 7 step drop, wait for things to develop, I doubt we put up 45.

In comment 11884942 Doomster said:

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this OL has come together quicker than expected.....we all saw the OL in preseason....it was a horror show....it wasn't much different in the first game of the season.... The line is starting to gel....that's about all we could hope for....but an important part of this, is Eli getting rid of the ball quickly....there were some completions he made, that if he had just held onto the ball a little longer, he would have been hit..... No doubt, the more they play together, and they can avoid injuries, the better they will be...and if Eli continues to get rid of the ball quickly, it will negate some of the line's shortcomings....last night, Washington started to cheat up close, and Eli barely missed on a couple of long passes.....even though he missed them, this shows that teams have to respect the short pass, and it will eventually open up the long game....OBj, get your butt out there....

Doomy, make it stop. We saw NOTHING in pre-season about the OL beyond experimentation and getting the reps..That's it..

I don't know if I want to mess with continuity by benching Jerry for Schwartz. Let Tom Coughlin make that call.

They heard and read about how "awful" they were throughout the preseason and after game one. They have to be loving this. STAY MOTIVATED BOYS!

In comment 11884991 mrvax said:

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I don't know if I want to mess with continuity by benching Jerry for Schwartz. Let Tom Coughlin make that call.

Unlike with O'Hara, Diehl and Snee whom he grew to trust, TC really has no vested interest in Schwartz per se, so my guess is Schwartz waits for his opportunity as TC leaves this OL as is, assuming they continue to mesh and be productive, imv

to sit on the bench

No one will interfere with TC's gameday decisions. This isn't Washington or Dallas

They can finally pound the rock again.

You don't mess with OL cohesion. Schwartz should just not be handed a spot. He wasn't playing that well anyway before he got hurt. Could be because he was at LG instead of his natural RG, bur regardless, he was far from outstanding.

In comment 11884991 mrvax said:

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I don't know if I want to mess with continuity by benching Jerry for Schwartz. Let Tom Coughlin make that call.

Jerry stinks. The line can only get better when the weakest link is upgraded.

I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, interested?

he just shut out Orakpo last night. Yeah the guy played with a cast but so what. Beatty completely controlled the left side of the line.

having Beatty playing back to his 2012 level and taking it up from there. If there is any upset in terms of beating expectations on the entire team, it's him and Donnell.

the interior line (center and two guards) play has stopped the middle blitz.

Eli throwing the ball much better and more accurately. They obviously played with his grip and his throwing motion this season. So far so good.

Before you all go crazy, give this offense another few games. let's see how it goes when DC's have a chance to chart tendencies and formations and can gameplan. Let's also admit that the defense kept giving the offense a short field and the Redskin defense is not playing well-they've had 82 points hung on them in their last two games. We weren't as bad as we looked the first two games and probably not as good as we look the last two.

I had said we need to see these guys play together 60+ snaps and four/five games together before you know what we have.

They are doing well, the quick passes are helping.....it's something to keep builing on.

BTW, Eli's accuracy on fade routes has been outstanding this year.......he dropping balls right in there.

and I am very pleased. I prefer to wait to see how they do in the next few games, but after the Detroit game I was very very concerned about the OL. Now I am optimistic.

In terms of Reese, I have to admit the TE situation is looking really solid. Eli has a new favorite target and LD may be a long term answer to the position. Reese thus far has proven he knows a lot more about this topic than I do :) Go GMEN. What a f*cking game.

The OL might be better but getting rid of the ball faster has been a major key to the improvement.

Doomy, make it stop. We saw NOTHING in pre-season about the OL beyond experimentation and getting the reps..That's it..

But what did you see in the first game? Same thing you see in the fourth?

We all hoped the line would gel and "get it", but did we expect it this fast? And like I posted before, the fact that Eli is getting rid of the ball quickly, has been a huge difference between a completion and getting hit...

In comment 11884869 jeff57 said:

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Yes, Schwartz should be plugged in at RG when he gets backed. Once they get another quality G, Richburg should move to center.

Yes on plugging in Shwartz, no on moving Richburg. Walters is more than holding his own. For now.

if the running game isn't working the offense doesn't look nearly as fluid as it did last night. To me that's the biggest difference watching this line play vs. last year, it's the job they are doing on running plays.

And obviously this year's Richburg>last year's Diehl.

In comment 11884884 Headhunter said:

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if it ain't broke don't fix it

I was told Walton sucks, so it can't be true he's doing a good job...

right now is that Will Beatty is not sucking. It is making a HUGE difference.

but what happened in the first two games is still a worry. In both games, the OL was overmatched in 1 on 1 battles with top level players. As much as OL play depends on teamwork and coordination, it don't mean a thing if they are physically unable to match up against the top d lines.

In comment 11885531 Rich F said:

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but what happened in the first two games is still a worry. In both games, the OL was overmatched in 1 on 1 battles with top level players. As much as OL play depends on teamwork and coordination, it don't mean a thing if they are physically unable to match up against the top d lines.

Not sure why the Houston game game doesn't count as good performances against high-level players. JJ Watt might be the best defensive player in the sport.

especially with Schwartz coming back and *hopefully* going to what seems to be his more natural RG spot.

Reese caught a lot of shit for not addressing the OL enough this offseason but I think he did the right thing by taking some gambles on lower priced players like Walton and using money money to address other positions too.

Is the direct consequence of having a good player inside (Richburg). KEEP HIM THERE !

Chris.

but I expect they'll wait until he's had a lot of practice reps before doing that.

I'm really happy with how the line has looked. Beatty has held his own better than I expected, the Richburg/Walton combo blocks have been great, we can run the ball with authority, and the shorter drops have helped our pass blocking. This is a very OL-friendly offense.

It's nice to have some hope after expecting us to go 5-11. But we still have to see how we'll play against the better teams in the league. These next few games will tell us a lot. If we can beat Philly the sky's the limit.

In comment 11885141 HomerJones45 said:

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the interior line (center and two guards) play has stopped the middle blitz. Eli throwing the ball much better and more accurately. They obviously played with his grip and his throwing motion this season. So far so good. Before you all go crazy, give this offense another few games. let's see how it goes when DC's have a chance to chart tendencies and formations and can gameplan. Let's also admit that the defense kept giving the offense a short field and the Redskin defense is not playing well-they've had 82 points hung on them in their last two games. We weren't as bad as we looked the first two games and probably not as good as we look the last two.

well said

In comment 11885009 Big Blue '56 said:

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Unlike with O'Hara, Diehl and Snee whom he grew to trust, TC really has no vested interest in Schwartz per se, so my guess is Schwartz waits for his opportunity as TC leaves this OL as is, assuming they continue to mesh and be productive, imv

I agree. We don't know if Schwartz will come in and play better than Jerry. Unless Jerry turns into a lousy player, I'd consider the switch next year. Let Schwartz be a solid backup for now.

Not sure why the Houston game game doesn't count as good performances against high-level players. JJ Watt might be the best defensive player in the sport.


With Suh, Fairly, etc., the Lions have top players across the line. The Giants regularly lost the one on ones with these guys. Against the Texans, Watt was the single top player, He got a sack and a couple of tackles for losses. We might be having a very different discussion if Clowney also in the lineup and he got a sack and another tackle for loss or two. The next really good dline they play is the Seahawks. I'm hopeful that they are better, but will wait until then before I start believing the line has been fixed.

The Giants can get the kid into the mix and not have to worry about a rookie being in position to make line calls. Now Richburg can focus on his technique and get better without having too much responsibility. He will eventually move to center, but right now there is no rush.

In comment 11885612 Rich F said:

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Not sure why the Houston game game doesn't count as good performances against high-level players. JJ Watt might be the best defensive player in the sport. With Suh, Fairly, etc., the Lions have top players across the line. The Giants regularly lost the one on ones with these guys. Against the Texans, Watt was the single top player, He got a sack and a couple of tackles for losses. We might be having a very different discussion if Clowney also in the lineup and he got a sack and another tackle for loss or two. The next really good dline they play is the Seahawks. I'm hopeful that they are better, but will wait until then before I start believing the line has been fixed.

C'mon now....since Sandy hit we've made every front 7 we've played look like the '85 Bears. We do not have to blow the Seahawks up b4 we admit there's been MAJOR improvement up front.

In comment 11885612 Rich F said:

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The next really good dline they play is the Seahawks. I'm hopeful that they are better, but will wait until then before I start believing the line has been fixed.

Rich, no one can claim the line is fixed. It's really a work in progress. I feel all warm and fuzzy by seeing them play a little better each game. We can only hope they don't regress.

"Fixed" grading comes at season's end, IMO.

He looks close to perfect out there. So smooth. I can't imagine how good he will look at center but for now all is well...leave him where he is. Walton is playing well too.

The OL is good. The TEs are lethal. LOL.

This is why you TRUST the process. This regime works. They know talent. They know how to coach up talent. They have done so time and time again. 2012 and 2013 was bad but somewhat excuseable when you factor in how hard it is to maintain a dominant unit for very long in today's NFL and the Giants OL was dominant and highly paid for a long time. Maintaining a high level of play while transitioning on the fly wasn't going to be easy, especially in today's NFL climate. Sprinkle in the RB fiasco last year and it was no wonder this offense, and OL fell apart.

They needed a year to regroup and replace the highly paid aging OLinemen that were here. They couldn't just cut bait with everyone before 2013 and spend money on new guys. The cap wouldn't allow it.

No one gave this regime a chance to fix this OL and even when they made 3-4 key off season additions to the OL and RBs no one expected better results.

Other areas of the team will show cracks barring extreme luck but the OL was given a legit shot at turning things around this year and sure enough, they have. PRoud of this regime. They deserve a lot of credit.

In comment 11885813 djm said:

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He looks close to perfect out there. So smooth. I can't imagine how good he will look at center but for now all is well...leave him where he is. Walton is playing well too. The OL is good. The TEs are lethal. LOL. This is why you TRUST the process. This regime works. They know talent. They know how to coach up talent. They have done so time and time again. 2012 and 2013 was bad but somewhat excuseable when you factor in how hard it is to maintain a dominant unit for very long in today's NFL and the Giants OL was dominant and highly paid for a long time. Maintaining a high level of play while transitioning on the fly wasn't going to be easy, especially in today's NFL climate. Sprinkle in the RB fiasco last year and it was no wonder this offense, and OL fell apart. They needed a year to regroup and replace the highly paid aging OLinemen that were here. They couldn't just cut bait with everyone before 2013 and spend money on new guys. The cap wouldn't allow it. No one gave this regime a chance to fix this OL and even when they made 3-4 key off season additions to the OL and RBs no one expected better results. Other areas of the team will show cracks barring extreme luck but the OL was given a legit shot at turning things around this year and sure enough, they have. PRoud of this regime. They deserve a lot of credit.

Well said. Especially on Richburg, I was really impressed with how quickly he moved his feet on the Williams short yardage conversion inside the 5.

I'm very excited to see how they continue to progress as a unit.

it was Jerry's fault. I thought Pugh was the culprit, but I was wrong

In comment 11885813 djm said:

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He looks close to perfect out there. So smooth. I can't imagine how good he will look at center but for now all is well...leave him where he is. Walton is playing well too. The OL is good. The TEs are lethal. LOL. This is why you TRUST the process. This regime works. They know talent. They know how to coach up talent. They have done so time and time again. 2012 and 2013 was bad but somewhat excuseable when you factor in how hard it is to maintain a dominant unit for very long in today's NFL and the Giants OL was dominant and highly paid for a long time. Maintaining a high level of play while transitioning on the fly wasn't going to be easy, especially in today's NFL climate. Sprinkle in the RB fiasco last year and it was no wonder this offense, and OL fell apart. They needed a year to regroup and replace the highly paid aging OLinemen that were here. They couldn't just cut bait with everyone before 2013 and spend money on new guys. The cap wouldn't allow it. No one gave this regime a chance to fix this OL and even when they made 3-4 key off season additions to the OL and RBs no one expected better results. Other areas of the team will show cracks barring extreme luck but the OL was given a legit shot at turning things around this year and sure enough, they have. PRoud of this regime. They deserve a lot of credit.

I'm excited they're playing well but I'm not sure how a 2-2 record after two bad years is evidence that we need to trust the process.

Also Detroit has one of the best DL's and it was their first game (plus in the Dome). That was a tough game. The offense could've scored 30 on AZ too.

The things I like best is are:
- Its a relatively young line so they will be around for a while.
- They have depth, with Mosley and Schwartz not backing up. Even if you put Schwartz back in, then Jerry is one hell of a backup guard.

it's still early. But we've seen enough out of this regime since 2004 to believe in them going forward and the last 2 weeks don't belie that belief.

In comment 11885836 chris r said:

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I'm excited they're playing well but I'm not sure how a 2-2 record after two bad years is evidence that we need to trust the process.

Why are we dumbing down 7 years with this coach and GM down to a 2-2 record after two bad years?

Nothing they did before should count towards their ability to operate a team?

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In comment 11885836 chris r said: Quote: I'm excited they're playing well but I'm not sure how a 2-2 record after two bad years is evidence that we need to trust the process. Why are we dumbing down 7 years with this coach and GM down to a 2-2 record after two bad years? Nothing they did before should count towards their ability to operate a team?

Remember who it is you're addressing

In a vacuum, that's likely his best position and if he shows he can do a better job than Jerry, then you make the switch.
I wouldn't move Richburg from LG, his best value is currently there and he's developing quickly.

But GS needs Jerry to revert back to his old for otherwise he might be holding a clipboard for awhile this line is clicking. Imo I'm not sure I'd mess with it at this point.

As far as Beatty goes I think he is good as long as there are good players around him Richburg is playing really well and I think that's helping Beatty

In comment 11886172 eli4life said:

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But GS needs Jerry to revert back to his old for otherwise he might be holding a clipboard for awhile this line is clicking. Imo I'm not sure I'd mess with it at this point. As far as Beatty goes I think he is good as long as there are good players around him Richburg is playing really well and I think that's helping Beatty

You obviously heard Kirwan