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Sorry if discussed already - the Randle TD that wasn't

MarylandPete : 9/26/2014 6:09 pm
How in hell is that not a TD. He caught the ball; had complete unmitigated control and had both feet on the ground in the end zone. The rules don't say whether it has to be 2 seconds or five minutes. A nanosecond should suffice. Didn't complete a football play? Huh? Play is over when he did the 3 things above.What- does he have to do a salsa to finalize the TD? Just ludicrous.
Yeah, it;'s been discussed  
BlackLight : 9/26/2014 6:15 pm : link
I still think the Megatron rule applies. If Randle had caught the ball, controlled it, got two feet down, then fell and lost control of the ball after hitting the ground, it'd be considered incomplete - and we wouldn't really be arguing it.

Given that, why would it be different if the ball came out because a defender forced it out?

Hello Pete  
Jim in South Florida : 9/26/2014 6:16 pm : link
dies hat bei nausem diskutiert.
I think he actually  
Simms11 : 9/26/2014 6:16 pm : link
even took a step back before getting the ball knocked out. It was pretty quick. Probably too quick for refs to call it a TD. They went over it this morning on Sirius NFL Radio and they all agreed it was the right call, however, they also said that they think the rule should be changed…ehhh.
MarylandPete...  
M.S. : 9/26/2014 6:43 pm : link
...I'm with you.

He controlled the ball he got his feet down and then bam... the safety comes in and knocks the ball out.

It's a touchdown IMO.
I agree, Pete ...  
Manny in CA : 9/26/2014 7:04 pm : link
How about all the plays we see where a HB stretches the ball across the goal line and a micro second later, it gets knocked out of his hand.

I've NEVER seen the refs disallow a TD for that reason.

I can see that play being negated OUTSIDE the end zone (maybe), but now when the ball clearly crosses the plane of the end zone.
100% agree  
NYG07 : 9/26/2014 7:08 pm : link
I was furious that it wasn't called a touchdown. There was a very similar play against seattle in 2005 where shockey got blasted in the end zone from behind and lost the ball but the refs ruled it a TD because he had possession with two feet down before the hit. I dont know if the rules have changed but I am still mad eli got stuck with that INT.
The "he didn't make a football move" is bullshit  
NYG in NC : 9/26/2014 7:35 pm : link
he was in the damn end zone with 2 feet down. Why does he need to make a football move?
The "football move" business misses the point  
BlackLight : 9/26/2014 7:49 pm : link
If the receiver catches the ball and takes a hit, he's got to hold onto the ball. Just like if he catches the ball and falls down, he can't lose it when he hits the ground.
RE: The  
Arcanum : 9/26/2014 7:57 pm : link
In comment 11886356 NYG in NC said:
[quote] he was in the damn end zone with 2 feet down. Why does he need to make a football move? [/

I was screaming, the same shit
Eli's reward on the play  
Headhunter : 9/26/2014 8:01 pm : link
an interception which in a way is more ludicrous than the non touchdown call, but to be ruled a fumble he would have had to be deemed in possession of the ball which would have meant it was a touchdown
Randle  
blue42 : 9/26/2014 8:13 pm : link
actually did make a football move...he tool two very small backward steps.....the rule doesn't say they have to be big,medium or whatever.That was clearly a TD....but we beat their asses anyway.

BTW,,,did Ryan Clark play last night?
RE: The  
schabadoo : 9/26/2014 8:15 pm : link
In comment 11886382 BlackLight said:
Quote:
If the receiver catches the ball and takes a hit, he's got to hold onto the ball. Just like if he catches the ball and falls down, he can't lose it when he hits the ground.


No he doesn't, not in the end zone. They confirmed he had two feet down, they fell back on football move I believe.
Another question about the Randle TD  
deadkurtrulz : 9/26/2014 8:47 pm : link
How in the HELL did Jennings drop a sure TD the play before this play? Right in his chest standing alone on the two yard line. One of the worst drops I have ever seen. The guy that wore black socks to gym catches that ball.

here is the thing  
giantfanboy : 9/26/2014 9:28 pm : link
i think if there had been no interception that the ball had popped up and just dropped to the ground
then it would have been reviewed and probably been called a td

i think the fact that it was INT made the refs rule the way they did
Having to make a football move is perplexing  
xman : 9/26/2014 11:36 pm : link
If a wr catches the ball in the endzone and freezes like a statue is it not a td because he hasn't made a football move?
RE: Having to make a football move is perplexing  
ray in arlington : 9/26/2014 11:59 pm : link
In comment 11886596 xman said:
Quote:
If a wr catches the ball in the endzone and freezes like a statue is it not a td because he hasn't made a football move?


this was discussed on other threads. you do not have to make a football move to complete a catch. the rule book says you have to "control the ball long enough to make an act common to the game". As Carey said on the broadcast "it is a timing issue".
Crap Call  
BBurns : 9/27/2014 12:24 pm : link
When the two feet hit the ground and he actually took a step back then got creamed .Defenseless receiver .
Replay should have proved that point .
Whatever if we didnt score what then ?
Does anyone remember  
mrvax : 9/27/2014 12:31 pm : link
the 2011 regular season game vs, Green Bay? Ballard caught a pass in the end zone with 1 knee on the ground, totally inbounds, and refs called it incomplete?

That no-TD call was just as bad.
My final opine  
mrvax : 9/27/2014 12:36 pm : link
on the Randle non-TD:

If a millisecond before the defender knocked the ball loose, Randle spiked it, it 100% would have been a touchdown. Think about that.
RE: My final opine  
BlackLight : 9/27/2014 12:51 pm : link
In comment 11886896 mrvax said:
Quote:
on the Randle non-TD:

If a millisecond before the defender knocked the ball loose, Randle spiked it, it 100% would have been a touchdown. Think about that.


Probably not.
RE: RE: My final opine  
mrvax : 9/27/2014 12:53 pm : link
In comment 11886908 BlackLight said:
[quote
Probably not. [/quote]

Why not? Prior to the ball being knocked out, Randle had completed the touchdown.
My buddy who is a DIE HARD skins fan...  
bradshaw44 : 9/27/2014 12:59 pm : link
Came by yesterday and was like "how did you like that play? It was such a fucking TD and it wasn't close." Then he said, "It's ok, the God's of football took care of the refs fuck up one play later when you guys picked off Cousins."

The fact that even skins fans think it was a TD says enough to me. And I don't care if you want to pull the rule book out, that call was as bad as the Tuck rule.
The Randle non-TD ... "football move" ??? in endzone ??? ..  
Mike in Raleigh : 9/27/2014 1:17 pm : link
REALLY ??? Why would a player have to make a "football move" in the end zone after having the ball and 2 feet down? Makes no sense whatsoever ... As soon as the ball is posessed ... it's a TOUCHDOWN!!!
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Yes ... it was bang-bang ... but I thought after review ... it was a TD. Ended up not mattering (thank goodness).
Made no sense to me either  
Spock : 9/27/2014 1:35 pm : link
It seemed to me he made all the moves needed.
I was listening to the Redskins Friday morning radio show  
Bramton1 : 9/27/2014 2:48 pm : link
These are guys on Snyder's payroll... and even they agreed it was a TD.
I posted the rule in another thread  
mrvax : 9/27/2014 3:17 pm : link
Quote:

CATCH
A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-3).
Note 1: It is a catch if, in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to it touching the
ground and that control is maintained during and after the ball has touched the ground.
Note 2: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, and there is contact by a defender causing the
ball to come loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.

By the rules, it is a touchdown.

RE: I posted the rule in another thread  
BlackLight : 9/27/2014 4:47 pm : link
In comment 11887041 mrvax said:
Quote:


Quote:



CATCH
A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-3).
Note 1: It is a catch if, in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to it touching the
ground and that control is maintained during and after the ball has touched the ground.
Note 2: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, and there is contact by a defender causing the
ball to come loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.

By the rules, it is a touchdown.





But if Randle had caught the ball, secured it, got two feet down, then fallen down and lost it upon hitting the ground, it'd be called incomplete, correct?

So why would the call be different if a defender forced it out, and in less time than it would've take Randle to fall and lose it from hitting the ground?
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