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NEW RULES - LET HIM CATCH IT?

The SCHEME : 9/26/2014 11:34 pm
No one wants to see anyone get hurt, if the defensive backs uses perfect form, without using the crown of the helmet IT'S A LEGAL HIT! I think the speed of the game is not allowing the refs to formulate a clear definition of the rules. Its ridiculous to call a penalty for roughness on a clean hit!

Case in point : The Demps hit against the Washington receiver was a legal knockout. The receiver was hurt, but that's not a justifiable reason to call a penalty.

Another point about the rules is awarding an automatic first down for contact downfield, that could have been initiated by the receiver. This seems to be a brewing misunderstanding , that will have an impact on meaningful games down the line.
It's most difficult for defensive backs these days.

Since defensive back are a premium I believe the Giants should bring up the rookie DB's Bennett Jackson and Fenner to gain more playing time.
Simple solution:  
Blackbeard : 9/27/2014 5:35 am : link
Interceptions.
I think your post - and numerous comments  
bhill410 : 9/27/2014 5:54 am : link
On this site are ignoring the reality that the nfl - and football by and large- is struggling with how to make the game safer without turning people away. Obviously this was spearheaded by the litigation but is also an effort to counter a raising perception amoung parents that their children shouldn't be playing football. The NFL is not defensible on all matters but in this one they are belatedly trying to get ahead of what could grow to be a serious problem at the foundation of the sport. It's not necessarily a popular perception but it's one you need to get used to.

Oh yea demps led with his crown get over it.
So did the receiver  
Killed the K-Gun : 9/27/2014 6:51 am : link
The league has to protect players from themselves.

Lowering your head in the open field is unacceptable.
RE: I think your post - and numerous comments  
River Mike : 9/27/2014 7:00 am : link
In comment 11886679 bhill410 said:
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On this site are ignoring the reality that the nfl - and football by and large- is struggling with how to make the game safer without turning people away. Obviously this was spearheaded by the litigation but is also an effort to counter a raising perception amoung parents that their children shouldn't be playing football. The NFL is not defensible on all matters but in this one they are belatedly trying to get ahead of what could grow to be a serious problem at the foundation of the sport. It's not necessarily a popular perception but it's one you need to get used to.

Oh yea demps led with his crown get over it.


As I remember it, Demps did not lead with his head, that is if you mean he aimed it at the receiver. His head was down but not aimed at the receivers body, his shoulder was. In fact, he hit his own man with his head and the only contact with the receiver's helmet was a result of the receiver lowering his head.
You guys are just exhausting  
bhill410 : 9/27/2014 7:55 am : link
Yea it was a borderline hit but everytime a player is laying unconscious as a result of a bang bang helmet to helmet hit they are going to throw the flag. All of the long winded soap box pontifictions about ruining the game via threads is not going to change that.
And seriously what is this the 20th  
bhill410 : 9/27/2014 7:56 am : link
Thread on the same subject? Real original content.
If both players lower there head  
Chip : 9/27/2014 8:18 am : link
There should be no penalty.If the defensive player leads with his shoulder there should be no penalty. Goodell's pansification of the game must stop.
The DBs  
jtfuoco : 9/27/2014 8:59 am : link
Need to learn to take out the Wrs legs you can't even go aim around the waist due to most WRs lower their head in anticipation of getting hit so helmet to helmet hits will occur.
RE: If both players lower there head  
Seventh Spiel : 9/27/2014 10:06 am : link
In comment 11886719 Chip said:
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There should be no penalty.If the defensive player leads with his shoulder there should be no penalty. Goodell's pansification of the game must stop.


I disagree with you and agree with bhill. The NFL cannot simply ignore evidence that the way the game has always been played is causing brain injuries. You might be able to bury your head in the sand, but the league can't. It has a legal and moral responsibility to act. It also has a practical responsibility--if football cannot be made safer than it will deservedly die.
League of Denial - ( New Window )
If the league  
Andy Sky : 9/27/2014 10:52 am : link
We're really so concerned about player safety, they wouldn't have these absurd rules about illegal contact. That would go a long way towards minimizing the number of big hits on defenseless receivers.

They don't really care about player safety, they care about making sure every game is high scoring so the casual fans and the fantasy nerds can be happy. Keep football as football and let the fantasy nerds play dungeons and dragons or something else which doesn't ruin a great sport.
RE: If the league  
Mike from Ohio : 9/27/2014 11:16 am : link
In comment 11886806 Andy Sky said:
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they wouldn't have these absurd rules about illegal contact. That would go a long way towards minimizing the number of big hits on defenseless receivers.


Increased illegal contact penalties cause big hits on defenseless receivers? Please do explain, Joe Cool.
Yea I would love to hear  
bhill410 : 9/27/2014 1:01 pm : link
How illegal contact leads to big hits
RE: Yea I would love to hear  
ray in arlington : 9/27/2014 1:10 pm : link
In comment 11886917 bhill410 said:
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How illegal contact leads to big hits


don't know what the poster had in mind, but one idea is

allow more contact on receivers > return to lots of running plays > fewer hits on receiver.

of course, if you saw football in the 70's you would see the Raiders unloading on WR's prior to throws. but I guess anything leading to fewer passing plays lowers hits on WR's.
The illegal contact rules  
Andy Sky : 9/27/2014 1:27 pm : link
force DBs to play off of the receivers more often, forcing them to arrive at the receiver quickly and with a full head of steam as the ball arrives. If the illegal contact rules were enforced as the traditionally have been, DBs wouldn't have to come flying up to close that gap. Forcing DBs to come flying up like that AND aim for a tiny window where they can legally make a tackle is totally unreasonable.
Although  
Andy Sky : 9/27/2014 1:28 pm : link
I probably shouldn't have attacked fantasy stuff and dungeons and dragons like I did. I actually kinda like dungeons and dragons. I just hate what the NFL has done to the rules of football.
what i would like  
ray in arlington : 9/27/2014 1:33 pm : link
is that contact be allowed prior to the pass, but the receivers be given protection afforded to defenseless players at all times. just solid bump and run (but no unloading on WR's like the raiders used to do on Lynn Swann back in the 70's).
Isn't there a point where a receiver becomes a runner?  
Mason : 9/27/2014 3:06 pm : link
He catches the ball, decides to get extra yardage and not give himself up. BTW, I notice the rule does not apply to a player that intercepts a pass or attempts to catch an interception. It appears as it is an anything goes type of chaotic situation.
The new illegal contact nonsense is making the problem worse IMO  
redbeard : 9/27/2014 5:22 pm : link
Let the d-backs bump and run and they won't be relegated to trying to "separate the receiver from the ball" with thunderous hits.
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