He obviously wasn't NFL ready from day one but his speed and tackle breaking ability were a special combination. The balance displayed on quite a few of his college runs reminded me of Tim, you would just marvel at how he was able to keep his feet.
Who knows how he would have developed, but he had a special skill set.
Three backs with similar tools and size- Jennings, Williams, and Hill is - is far from ideal for this O. Wilson would go off gonzo in this O, the way the OL is currently playing.
He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
With the line as it is (three yards and a cloud of dust); if they do develop, maybe somebody like Wilson would shine.
Three yards and a cloud of dust? We averaged nearly 5 YPC vs. Houston, and were at 4 YPC vs. Washington. Wilson's speed would add another dimension to the ground game.
if you go back to his kickoff returns in his rookie year Â
I believe he would have done well in this offense under Ben McAdoo.. he would have been given the opportunities in space as a receiver out of the backfield that we have seen Jennings and Williams have and could have been very effective in a Darren Sproles like role
He also fumbled a lot. It was not that big of a loss. Lets not make him into something he wasn't. I do hope things work out well for him in his new career.
He played 21 career games. I don't think anyone can say how good or not he really was. He was the fastest player they had on O and he could catch. With that skill set in this offense he would have been a player who defenses had to account for.
He played 21 career games. I don't think anyone can say how good or not he really was. He was the fastest player they had on O and he could catch. With that skill set in this offense he would have been a player who defenses had to account for.
he was a terrible blocker who could get Eli killed. Made very little of the rushing and receiving opportunities he got. Great athlete. Not so great a running back.
He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
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If Optimus you can go fuck yourself. The kid had a terrible injury and an offensive coaching staff that didn't create ways to get him on the field. There is no written rule that says if you can't pass block adequately as a RB you can't run a flare route or how about actually run the ball.
Stop shitting on someone that got seriously injured. He had a great head on his soldiers and was nothing but professional when he was with us. Guy could have helped our team somewhere.
he was a terrible blocker who could get Eli killed. Made very little of the rushing and receiving opportunities he got. Great athlete. Not so great a running back.
True enough. Maybe they would/could have turned him into a wide out.
in the NFL. Yes he needed to pick up blocking and he did have 3 fumbles in 115 carries in his short career.
Even playing behind one of the worst Olines in the NFL he somehow managed 4.4 ypc.
He had great vision (look at his KO returns) and shocking speed b/c he went into high gear very quickly. Wilson would have been able to do what none of our RBs could do in years...beat defenders to the edge.
It's a shame we never got to actually see what he was capable of.
I would also look at signing CJ Spiller in the offseason.
They need a speed back, sure. But I'm not sure what's so special about James. Speed? So does Jeff Demps and he's a bum.
Spiller would be great but may be pricey. I am curious if Giants look at DB's (only carrying eight at the moment) once Schwartz is healthy again. Snyder and Brewer may be expendable.
...added a different dimension given how we're utilizing personnel. His speed on the outside flexed along with Donnell's emergence could have given us some potent options out of a 2TE personnel grouping that would also lend itself to running the ball.
Optimus is a little too harsh.
others are a little too starry eyed.
the only thing he demonstrated in his time here was speed.
I don't think he demonstrated any all world talent as a runner (was he really elusive or tackle breaking? I don't think so, but that's not to say he didn't have some ability)
His inability to pick up pass blocking was troublesome, as was his fumbling. He may have gotten over both, but we don't know.
Bottom line is that I think he was headed toward being a disappointing first round pick, but not a total bust.
He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Sproles was a great weapon for San Diego and New Orleans and contributing solidly now to the Eagles, despite being alleged to be "shot."
The Giants absolutely would benefit from having a unique player like him to mix-in right now, especially given their overall lack of top end speed, so just writing that off as Wilson's ceiling as though it would be meaningless or nothing special doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
and was not able to abruptly change direction. He was nowhere near the talent of Tiki Barber. Was he faster than Barber? Absolutely. Could he be taught not to fumble the way Barber was taught? Yes. Could he be taught to block the way Tiki blocked? Not sure. But you can't teach vision and you can't teach elusiveness. I don't think Wilson would have ever become Darren Sproles or Tiki Barber.
He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
Who cares if he was a situational guy? Every team would love to have a Darren Sproles. Have you watched Sproles throughout his career? You wouldn't have signed up for that from David Wilson?
And he didn't have much of a chance. He had his rookie year where he flashed and then his career ended in Week 5 last year. He struggled in some facets of the game but his athleticism and talent were undeniable. Eli sure looks rejuvenated right now and like this offense is fitting him like a glove. It's entirely possible it could have for Wilson, too.
As much as I like Williams, he can't catch. Wilson could and he could have been a YAC monster.
Darren Sproles-like guy (late round) or sign an undrafted free agent next year - and we are golden. Easy part to add. Use draft to fortify both lines and get a good safety.
I thought that the second Williams missed the catch Â
The other night. Wilson takes that to the house. 15 yards between him and the next defender. Of course if Wilson's in there they probably don't clear it out quite the same way on defense. We need Williams to learn how to catch the ball with his hands
He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
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If Optimus you can go fuck yourself. The kid had a terrible injury and an offensive coaching staff that didn't create ways to get him on the field. There is no written rule that says if you can't pass block adequately as a RB you can't run a flare route or how about actually run the ball.
Stop shitting on someone that got seriously injured. He had a great head on his soldiers and was nothing but professional when he was with us. Guy could have helped our team somewhere.
will have an opportunity to get an undersized speed demon 3rd down specialist in the later rounds of the draft.
But ATM Jennings is a reasonable receiving options and AW could become serviceable target by the end of the season / next season. The 20 yard run he had shows he's got some shift in him out in open space.
who would have never been a featured RB for this team. Third down or scat back. Not someone who should have been drafted where he was by Reese. Sproles is a good example of his skill set. First round mistake.
He played 21 career games. I don't think anyone can say how good or not he really was. He was the fastest player they had on O and he could catch. With that skill set in this offense he would have been a player who defenses had to account for.
Well said, stretch. I'll just ignore the BS from the usual suspects.
He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
Who knows how he would have developed, but he had a special skill set.
I would also look at signing CJ Spiller in the offseason.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
Three yards and a cloud of dust? We averaged nearly 5 YPC vs. Houston, and were at 4 YPC vs. Washington. Wilson's speed would add another dimension to the ground game.
Exactly
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
If Optimus you can go fuck yourself. The kid had a terrible injury and an offensive coaching staff that didn't create ways to get him on the field. There is no written rule that says if you can't pass block adequately as a RB you can't run a flare route or how about actually run the ball.
Stop shitting on someone that got seriously injured. He had a great head on his soldiers and was nothing but professional when he was with us. Guy could have helped our team somewhere.
Damn shame about Wilson.
True enough. Maybe they would/could have turned him into a wide out.
Sadly, we'll never know.
Even playing behind one of the worst Olines in the NFL he somehow managed 4.4 ypc.
He had great vision (look at his KO returns) and shocking speed b/c he went into high gear very quickly. Wilson would have been able to do what none of our RBs could do in years...beat defenders to the edge.
It's a shame we never got to actually see what he was capable of.
+1
winner for most depressing thread of the week.
I would also look at signing CJ Spiller in the offseason.
They need a speed back, sure. But I'm not sure what's so special about James. Speed? So does Jeff Demps and he's a bum.
Spiller would be great but may be pricey. I am curious if Giants look at DB's (only carrying eight at the moment) once Schwartz is healthy again. Snyder and Brewer may be expendable.
...I don't think you have that quite right.
I'm sure of it.
Rather than say something strange like, "David Wilson couldn't cut it..."
...why not just recite the facts:
1) His career ended pre-maturely due to a neck injury;
2) He had his trouble with fumbles in the few carries he got;
3) He had trouble with blocking assignments in the limited time he played; and,
4) He had the type of breath-taking speed and tackle-breaking ability that was a nightmare for opponents.
...I don't think you have that quite right.
I'm sure of it.
Rather than say something strange like, "David Wilson couldn't cut it..."
...why not just recite the facts:
1) His career ended pre-maturely due to a neck injury;
2) He had his trouble with fumbles in the few carries he got;
3) He had trouble with blocking assignments in the limited time he played; and,
4) He had the type of breath-taking speed and tackle-breaking ability that was a nightmare for opponents.
This.
others are a little too starry eyed.
the only thing he demonstrated in his time here was speed.
I don't think he demonstrated any all world talent as a runner (was he really elusive or tackle breaking? I don't think so, but that's not to say he didn't have some ability)
His inability to pick up pass blocking was troublesome, as was his fumbling. He may have gotten over both, but we don't know.
Bottom line is that I think he was headed toward being a disappointing first round pick, but not a total bust.
Sproles was a great weapon for San Diego and New Orleans and contributing solidly now to the Eagles, despite being alleged to be "shot."
The Giants absolutely would benefit from having a unique player like him to mix-in right now, especially given their overall lack of top end speed, so just writing that off as Wilson's ceiling as though it would be meaningless or nothing special doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
Who cares if he was a situational guy? Every team would love to have a Darren Sproles. Have you watched Sproles throughout his career? You wouldn't have signed up for that from David Wilson?
And he didn't have much of a chance. He had his rookie year where he flashed and then his career ended in Week 5 last year. He struggled in some facets of the game but his athleticism and talent were undeniable. Eli sure looks rejuvenated right now and like this offense is fitting him like a glove. It's entirely possible it could have for Wilson, too.
As much as I like Williams, he can't catch. Wilson could and he could have been a YAC monster.
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He was never that good. He is a situational gu, a la Sproles--not a full-time back in the NFL. He never could stay healthy or learn how to pass block. Joseph Addai played in the NFL from Day 1 with the Colts because he could pass block as a RB. Bottom line: Wilson had his chance, and couldn't cut it.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
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If Optimus you can go fuck yourself. The kid had a terrible injury and an offensive coaching staff that didn't create ways to get him on the field. There is no written rule that says if you can't pass block adequately as a RB you can't run a flare route or how about actually run the ball.
Stop shitting on someone that got seriously injured. He had a great head on his soldiers and was nothing but professional when he was with us. Guy could have helped our team somewhere.
fuck myself? hmmmmnnn. stimulating point/counterpoint. mongo.
But ATM Jennings is a reasonable receiving options and AW could become serviceable target by the end of the season / next season. The 20 yard run he had shows he's got some shift in him out in open space.
The wrap on him before the draft was that he was a track guy. He proved that right by his play in the NFL.
Well said, stretch. I'll just ignore the BS from the usual suspects.
Remember what the NFL really stands for: Not For Long.
On the money Optimus