Schefter: Ndamukong Suh Wants to Play for the Giants

Dallas isn't even close to having enough cap room to sign Suh.

In comment 11888177 eclipz928 said:

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I'm still trying to figure out at what point did fans start caring about this "character player" bullshit.

For most Giants fans, it was 2008. Or maybe Will Hill.

Beyond that, somehow people are tuning into the idea that guys who aren't available to play because they're assholes, aren't actually that valuable.

Given your confusion and general lack of awareness on the subject, I only have one more thing to say…good to have you on BBI, Mr,. Goodell.

Yeah, him not being available to play isn't exactly a concern.

as the NFL continues to crack down on things like stomping on opposing players.

Once he got paid. Not even close except that Suh is a first class asshole on the field. But you don't hear about off field problems or that he lacks a brain.

If anything, the on field antics are out of his general character from what's been presented. Teammates love him and they say he is sharp and smart. This team could do a lot worse.

but aside from that, I agree with those who think rejection of this idea is insane. Arguably the best DT in football

and it will make up for the Beckham over Donald blunder....(3, 2, 1,...

makes a lot of sense.

in a heartbeat.

Will the Giants be able to outbid the rest of the league for him? Almost certainly not.

Might he take a smaller deal to play in New York? Maybe, but in that event, the Jets will probably still be able to offer more. Also, his agent and financial advisor will remind him that New Jersey's taxes are significantly higher than the taxes in, say, Florida. Any NY discount probably isn't going to be very big.

Only part of that is based on his behavior. I think he will command too much money. Given the DT play they are currently getting, I wouldn't commit such a big portion of the cap to a DT who will turn 28 before the next season.

Safety and LB as major need.
What FAs at those spots are available next season?
Need 2 LBs.
An OL and speedy RB would be nice too.
Suh? Maybe if he gives a newtown discount and promises to be a good little boy.

A lot can change but there doesn't seem to be much right now.
Orakp & Maualuga seem to be the most promising potential prospects as of now.

Let's look to the draft to fill holes I suppose.

can be idiots like Houston and over pay for defensive linemen.

If the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL, according to the majority on BBI, can render Watts basically useless, put up 45 points on him, demonstrates that any player needs good players around him to excel.

Just look at the cast around LT.

If Shue wants in at a reasonable price, I'd kick the tires.

If not, no effing way.

system is predicated on front 4 pressure and turnovers. Our blitzes suck and the guys never get home. However, when our front 4 gets pressure the secondary gets turnovers.

I'd make a play for Suh and try to give Fewell more guys on the DL to rush.

No knock on JPP, but I'd easily let him walk for the chance to get Suh. Suh has a cleaner bill of health and has been way more productive.

JJP and Suh are going to be asking for close to the same money?

In comment 11888641 ctc in ftmyers said:

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JJP and Suh are going to be asking for close to the same money?

I wouldn't be surprised to see JPP ask for the same money, but he certainly won't be getting anywhere close.

that gives him the most money...

In comment 11888471 81_Great_Dane said:

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Will the Giants be able to outbid the rest of the league for him? Almost certainly not. Might he take a smaller deal to play in New York? Maybe, but in that event, the Jets will probably still be able to offer more. Also, his agent and financial advisor will remind him that New Jersey's taxes are significantly higher than the taxes in, say, Florida. Any NY discount probably isn't going to be very big.

Everything you say is right. It's also word for word what was said about DRC.

to build his "brand"...then lets see him do it for $2mm per year.

Have of $6m of unspent CAP room this year carrying forward.

Brand

Even if Suh really wanted to come here,I would be hesitant with people who use that term.

the there is good reasons for and against

for he is a force,unblockable at times,nasty streak

against a headcase,cap price?,already have jenkins,hankins,bromley and kuhn,thats 3 draft picks plus a high price free agent at the position already

he wants to win sees the giants as a way to get a ring they won 2 in recent years and have a solid roster and figure to challenge for the next few years

i also wonder about the distaction of a guy like him on the giants,when this team won it all on those runs it was because they played like a team and thursday night it seams they are getting that team spirit back. why risk it,and as has already been said he wants paid big i guess

you would need to at least have him in and speak to him get a feel for where his head is and what price he wants and then decide it would be impossible to keep prince,jjp and sign this guy i would rather keep our guys in that instance

prince has really come on the last 2 seasons and jpp is getting back to form too

With the money he wants we could re-sign Prince and another player.

Prince is a nice player, he's good enough to plan man coverage against most #1 receivers, but he doesnt make enough plays on the ball. Is he worth giving a free agent deal to? Are you going to pay him a FA deal where he is basically going to command being paid like a #1 DB, when he wont even be the #1 DB on the team?

I think that is a dubious decision when you consider we can spend it on Suh instead.

but he doesnt make enough impact plays that change the complexion of the game.

DRC his whole career is a lock to get 4 INTs a year. I cant pay a guy a FA deal that wont make impact plays.

He's a nice player, but not an impact one.

In comment 11889333 kepler20 said:

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but he doesnt make enough impact plays that change the complexion of the game. DRC his whole career is a lock to get 4 INTs a year. I cant pay a guy a FA deal that wont make impact plays. He's a nice player, but not an impact one.

Prince is the one locking unto the opposing #1 more often than not and he's made huge strides in the last year or so. He's also improved on playing the ball in the air. If you don't consider that an impact player, I don't know what to tell you.

In comment 11889334 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 11889333 kepler20 said: Quote: but he doesnt make enough impact plays that change the complexion of the game. DRC his whole career is a lock to get 4 INTs a year. I cant pay a guy a FA deal that wont make impact plays. He's a nice player, but not an impact one. Prince is the one locking unto the opposing #1 more often than not and he's made huge strides in the last year or so. He's also improved on playing the ball in the air. If you don't consider that an impact player, I don't know what to tell you.

I do not doubt for 1 second Prince is an ascending player, a rare one at that, whose best years are STILL ahead of him.

My problem is that Prince still doenst project to be a probowl caliber DB. Yes, he is improving, but I'm not convinced he's going to improve into a guy who can be a 4int/20pDEF kind of player. DRC most certainly is because he's basically done that every year of his career.

So if I am given the option of the three, which are

A) Pay Suh
B) Pay Prince 5-7m/year
C) Don't pay Prince

I think the obvious choice is to select A or C. I don't think in this league you can justify paying a guy whose basically very average in terms of production 5-7m a year. Prince isnt a guy who is putting up 4int/20pdef.

Would take him in a second. Reality - it will not happen.

How exactly does he fit with the Jets. He is a 4-3 DT who has never player NT in a 3-4. Plus, they have 2 DE in Wilkerson and Richardson who are going to get money

player. He is an above average corner that is getting better albeit slowly.

Suh is clearly good at what he does. But that price tag will be so high that it is a disinvestment in the rest of the team. My guess is as a FA signing, he will play hard until he knows he doesn't have a Super-Bowl caliber team and then will he will not play hard...

offer big $$$ to Haynesworth. They did make a big offer, he just got a bigger one in Wash (thank goodness!)

It would seem to me that as much as the Giants value the D Line, they would certainly be interested in a player like Suh.
They offered him 80 Million - ( New Window )

on this team. He is as disruptive force as you'll see even when he doesn't fill up the stat sheet. I think he's the best defensive lineman after JJ Watt.

While Suh has crossed the line, I think it's just a matter of refining his concentration and ability to "turn it off" as quickly as he can turn it on.

What I think we are going to see is that the improved offensive line and better fitting offensive scheme will show that Eli is still the goods, and that we can be contenders again and so it might be easier to get certain free agents who want to win rings.

and eagles, Suh would an extreme disruptive force on the interior offensive lines. He would immediately give the Giants an edge in every game in the trenches.

Lets wait until the end of the season before we make a final assessment. He absolutely has played better so far this year. Lets see him do it for 16 games. PLUS... he has had difficulty staying on the field. So, we need to make sure we are paying a guy to play and not sit in an ice tub

really good tackler and not afraid to stick his nose in there and get dirty.

But the last time he had issues staying healthy was 3 years ago.

In comment 11889742 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:

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Lets wait until the end of the season before we make a final assessment. He absolutely has played better so far this year. Lets see him do it for 16 games. PLUS... he has had difficulty staying on the field. So, we need to make sure we are paying a guy to play and not sit in an ice tub

huh? How do people watch football and not see how good Prince has been? He was excellent last year and has been more of the same this year.

I don't get what people think they're watching sometimes.


As for Suh, at a reasonable price, how could you not want that type of talent?

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he's not the only one though. It's absurd.

In comment 11889994 GMenLTS said:

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he's not the only one though. It's absurd.

These are the same people, who only see the tangible numbers (interception, pass defended, etc.) without seeing the nuance of the position. That's why many of them were touting how Steve Brown was great because of his gaudy numbers when he was far from great.

Prince has been consistently great for the past two years. He may not get you the interception numbers, but the guy is just rock solid as a CB.

if we extend Eli (giving us a new Bank of Eli) and sign Prince and JPP with cap hits of about 8 million per year each in the first year of their new deals, where they get guaranteed money. It might even work if JPP's 2015 cap hit is 13 million and Prince's is 9 million. The Giants actually have a lot of money available under the cap for 2015. We have a projected 21 million, which will increase substantially with Eli's new deal being backloaded and Rolle's smaller cap number next year. Those two moves will offset most of JPP's and Prince's contract bumps and still give us room for Suh

which frees up another 9.6 million (7.4 from Kiwi and 2.2 from Jenkins)

And then still have cash to sign Suh i dont know how anybody wouldnt want him
He is the best DT in the league and is an absolute force and makes this dline one of the top 3 dlines in this league

He's not a TC type guy

but I'm not breaking the bank for Suh. Hankins isn't Suh, but I think he gives us a similar physical presence in the middle for a fraction of his cost. Honestly, I think JPP gets north of $10m. I'm not sure that we'd have as much dough as we think, then again, we could see a substantial increase in cap with the revenues from the new TV deal.

In comment 11888282 TMS said:

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of a few years aqo (when he went after Haynesworth) might have tried to get that done. But not now, he does not make those decisions anymore. He wasted enough $$$ on Canty. Besides, this guy is also a head case, who could be anthother Haynesworth if things do not go his way. NO way.

The casual fan might think Canty was a waste of money, but he occupied double teams pretty consistently for us, and he filled a position of huge need at the time. Just because his stats didn't show up on the box score does not mean he never lived up to his contract.

Coefield, the player he replaced, who was a better player with a better contract.

it's such an uneducated statement to make.

In comment 11890972 David in LA said:

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it's such an uneducated statement to make.

Yeah, he was a solid player.

probably wants to play for anyone who will pay him big bucks. Second, people questioning the Prince? WTF.

Per ESPN. Spotrac lists his 2015 salary at $6.8M.
Prince - ( New Window )