Schefter: Ndamukong Suh Wants to Play for the Giants

Don't care how good he may be. Do not want him on the Giants roster.

Pass............

But "we explore everything"

I would love him on this team. Him and Hankins, along with JPP and Da Monster? FUCK. YES.

do I dislike the guy, but do you really want a guy whose reason for coming to NY is to "build his brand"?!

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Don't want him anywhere near the Giants' roster.

We need to get more bang for our bucks, instead of sinking a lot of money in one player.....of course it would be nice to have him, but not while creating cap problems, that we are just digging ourselves out of....

Our defense would be immediately better with Suh. I love the way he brings the pain and nasty attitude to every game. He's obviously a great player but the attitude would be a welcome addition to our defense which, even when it plays at a high level, never seems to frighten any offenses. I don't know about the cap and all that, but I'd love to have his ability and attitude on our team.

save Rex Ryan's job.

I have no idea how are cap space is looking next year or whether he would fit in alongside Hankins, but if you add him to the DL and the secondary indeed plays up to the potential you might have the makings of a pretty good defense.

Lets just see how this season plays out.

With the Jets playing Detroit today, this is probably why it became a small story but I wouldn't rule out the Giants. I thought getting DRC from the Jets was a pipedream. We made that happen and with some certain contract changes and restructuring in the offseason, not to mention a huge jump to the salary cap over the next few years this could happen too. Say what you want about his reputation but I think he's maturing and you can't deny the talent. He's one of four NFL players under RocNation. One is Geno Smith but one of the others is Victor Cruz (the fourth is Hakeem Nicks, btw). I'm sure there will be conversations, if there haven't been already back in week 1

Of what, being a dirty prick?

In comment 11887973 BigBlueCane said:

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save Rex Ryan's job.

That implies Rex makes it to next year. Not so sure that happens if they wins up 6-10/7-9

will never pay him what he will get somewhere else.

don't need Suh on their DL. They are going to need to upgrade their secondary and perhaps add another LB.

I could see the Cowboys making a bid considering their sketchy defense, but their precarious cap situation would just bury them further down the road.

Bears make some sense. I don't see the Giants giving up such a huge deal. I think we will see us make a few moderate signings if any at all this coming offseason, perhaps another OL, S and maybe some depth additions.

on defense in MetLife will ring nicely with the chants of Cruuuz. This man would be an absolute beast on our DLine. You are talking about an all pro DT on this defensive line. Put us in the SB if we sign him.

And I don't see the Giants paying Suh the money he'll be looking for. (Although Reese was in on Haynesworth.)

Reese reportedly "went hard" after Haynesworth. There are few bigger pieces of shit than that guy.

Why? I don't want that fuck anywhere near this team. Take out the fact he is an idiot and selfish player, why would you want to handcuff our cap space on a DT? Are our DTs not playing well? Yes, he is a talent but not a guy you give out a crazy contract to. Why would we let Linval go for a team friendly price tag when we know what he can do on this team, in this system and with these player/coaches to give Suh a monster contract with all these variables?

Probably Manning as well, for the simple reason that if we want to keep him we have a shitload of contracts that come up in 2016 and that just won't be a good time to write him a new one.

Does Suh have any character issues besides being greedy? Also is it hypocritical to say we think Cruz was supposed to resign because of endorsements and branding opportunities available in NY, but not when it comes to another player who wants to do the same?My concern is what kind of person is he? A known douche, or no?

With the JPP, Prince resignings as well as possibly Eli (though that would probably save money for the 1st year). You have to look 2,3,4 years down the road. Not realistic cap wise.

Coughlin would shape him up in terms of taking cheap shots instantaneously

The following players are the notable players currently not under contract through 2015.

OFFENSE
Henry Hynoski
Larry Donnell
John Jerry

DEFENSE
Mike Patterson
Jacquian Williams
Spencer Paysinger
Mark Herzlich
Zack Bowman
Walter Thurmon
Antrel Rolle
Stevie Brown

Safety looks to be top priority.
I doubt we make a play for Suh.
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I don't follow Suh much other than what i have seen on the field. Has he had any off the field issues?

Couldn't the Giants add something to his contract if he signed along the lines of the dirty behavior thing? Say he gets fined 3 times in the season for illegal whatevers...couldn't we void his contract?

I'd rather keep Hankins at a 1/2 of the price of Suh and add another Hankins caliber player than have Suh and some scrub.

In comment 11888003 Daniel in Kentucky said:

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The following players are the notable players currently not under contract through 2015. OFFENSE Henry Hynoski Larry Donnell John Jerry DEFENSE Mike Patterson Jacquian Williams Spencer Paysinger Mark Herzlich Zack Bowman Walter Thurmon Antrel Rolle Stevie Brown Safety looks to be top priority. I doubt we make a play for Suh. 2015 Giants Cap - ( New Window )

It would be difficult. Giants have to extend Rolle, sign JPP and possibly extend Eli this offseason (although JPP and Eli are still under contract in 2015). That being said, creating a new Bank of Eli where he takes a big pay cut in 2015 and gets paid handsomely from 2016-2018 to add a lot of cap room is possible

the Giants would have ever had. If he wants to come and if it makes sense cap wise, sign him.

Our priority will be Rolle

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In comment 11888003 Daniel in Kentucky said: Quote: The following players are the notable players currently not under contract through 2015. OFFENSE Henry Hynoski Larry Donnell John Jerry DEFENSE Mike Patterson Jacquian Williams Spencer Paysinger Mark Herzlich Zack Bowman Walter Thurmon Antrel Rolle Stevie Brown Safety looks to be top priority. I doubt we make a play for Suh. 2015 Giants Cap - ( New Window ) It would be difficult. Giants have to extend Rolle, sign JPP and possibly extend Eli this offseason (although JPP and Eli are still under contract in 2015). That being said, creating a new Bank of Eli where he takes a big pay cut in 2015 and gets paid handsomely from 2016-2018 to add a lot of cap room is possible

Not a lot of guys on that defensive list we should worry about bringing back. If OBJ looks to be a player on O than we should be focusing on the D in the draft. Safety and LB being our biggest needs. Such would be a great addition but I believe the cap money needs to be spent elsewhere.

Love to see him with the Giants. JPP, Suh, Hank, and Moore, would be a killer front four. With the right help, Suh, would be fine.

I love Rolle as much as the next guy here, he's a great player and a great leader. But you don't break the bank trying to re-sign a 32 going on 33 year old safety and miss out on a stud DT in his prime because of it. You build for now and the future. You might get one or two more good years out of Rolle before the decline hits. You'll get at least four great years out of Suh unless major injuries hit, but you can't plan for that.

I thought the Giants were in pretty good cap shape next year too. They should have enough money to get JPP, Eli, one of Rolle/Prince locked away and then I don't see why they wouldn't have money for Suh too unless he asks for the moon. But if he wants a ton of money, this is silly to talk about in the first place. He's going to get paid big time but if it's at least somewhat reasonable and works under the cap, you go for it. You might have to let Prince walk but you draft some combination of CB/DE/S/LB and let that defense rock and roll. JPP/Suh/Hankins/Moore would be an amazing young DL.

Build his brand? Why not? It is a business, after all.

In comment 11888003 Daniel in Kentucky said:

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The following players are the notable players currently not under contract through 2015. OFFENSE Henry Hynoski Larry Donnell John Jerry DEFENSE Mike Patterson Jacquian Williams Spencer Paysinger Mark Herzlich Zack Bowman Walter Thurmon Antrel Rolle Stevie Brown Safety looks to be top priority. I doubt we make a play for Suh. 2015 Giants Cap - ( New Window )

Keep in mind that if we sign Suh, Jenkins is getting cut which would save over $2 million in cap space. No way the Giants are paying Kiwi $7.5 million so that's more saved money. Eli and Prince will get extended which will save a ton of space. Plus there's no guarantee we keep both Beason AND McClain considering age, injury risk and salary. If we want Suh we can do it with cap space to spare.

It's easy to get creative with the cap to make things work. As long as it's not an insane contract that would crush them down the road, they can work something out. The issue is how much money teams with a ton of cap space will throw at him. Does he really want to win in a big city or does he want the biggest contract possible. I guess we'll see. It's fun to think about though.

that wanted the Giants to overpay for Alex Mack.

No and no!

Suh will get between 16 and 20 million per. I'd rather purchase 2 $10M star players- thank you very much. I'm glad the Giants would never consider Suh at that price.

If JPP has a good year, we'll be shelling out enough cap already.

In comment 11887968 River Mike said:

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do I dislike the guy, but do you really want a guy whose reason for coming to NY is to "build his brand"?!

This. Nuff said.

who would've said this before the season started..nothing against you GWG..just a laugh

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We have to pay Rolle and Donell this offseason this offseason, Great White Ghost : 11:27 am : link : reply .....

Eli will take less money to insure Suh signing a team friendly long-term deal

If it's between signing Prince and Suh, who do you sign? Let's say Prince at the end of the season makes the Pro Bowl. We all know Suh is a pro bowler.

hes already made ~64m in his career and if he wants to increase his brand in nyc he should take less

there are already relationships in place with cruz (roc nation) and prince (nebraska)

it depends on if jay-z advises him to take the money like he did with cano or take less money to get into the desired market

In comment 11888009 chris r said:

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I'd rather keep Hankins at a 1/2 of the price of Suh and add another Hankins caliber player than have Suh and some scrub.

The Giants have done a pretty good job drafting DT's over the last decade, and Hankins and Bromley are still under contract for multiple years after 2014. Why would the guy playing next to Suh have to be a scrub?

Suh and Hankins anchoring our d line would be awesome.

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But I think Suh said it just to be annoying to us. If I'm Reese I do not rise to the bait and pretend I never heard it.

Jerry needs D and loves names. He also doesn't seem to care about the caps impact on the rest of the roster.

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^^^ This

Is going to want 20 million average a year. People forget jppis up soon. Pay sugh, u will not be able to pay jpp.

than spend QB money on a defensive tackle. Team's shown a good ability to find good DTs in the draft.

already the rumors are out that people 'within the Jets organization' are blaming the new GM for 'Holes on the roster'.

In comment 11888172 BigBlueCane said:

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already the rumors are out that people 'within the Jets organization' are blaming the new GM for 'Holes on the roster'.

If Rex ran that franchise, DRC would be a Jet.

I don't believe he had a say in it. He certainly would not have wanted to go into this season with huge, gaping holes in his defense.

I'm still trying to figure out at what point did fans start caring about this "character player" bullshit. If a player can help you win games and doesn't have any pending criminal charges then thats a guy you have to look at.

That being said, the Giants have already invested into that position through the draft and it looks like we may not have that much of a need atDT for the moment. If the Giants are going to break the bank on a position thats probably not the one they should be targeting.

He spent most of 2012 on the practice squad, so I'm pretty sure he'll be an ERFA in 2015, with very little leverage in contact negotiations.

Rolle is a trickier question. At this stage of his career, the best option is to pay hiim well, but without a lot of guarantees.

I think those two are locks to be resigned especially because of the needs at those positions. Also the Giants enhancing Rolle's role as a leader as well as his connections with DRC make his return inevitable.

cap hit will be a lot lower than it going to be currently. As for Suh specifically he is a force but the question is where is his head at...on smart play and being a team player. Dude also has a issue with driving....there has been a few incidents that have been swept under the run here in MI. I can see him suspended for something with him playing in NY.

Is a force. Outside of character issues, I think he's a better version of Albert haynesworth.

That the select group of BBI guys who say they would pass on Suh are mentally retarded and therefore can never be our teams GM.. TOP 5 defensive player in the League today and hes going uphill ladies and gentlemen, no decline is foreseeable with that man. If his home games are played in Metlife, please dear god make the jersey be blue! I would hate it if the Jets landed him over us. We can only hope, or at least the 'we' with at least half a brain...

made for each other.

of a few years aqo (when he went after Haynesworth) might have tried to get that done. But not now, he does not make those decisions anymore. He wasted enough $$$ on Canty. Besides, this guy is also a head case, who could be anthother Haynesworth if things do not go his way. NO way.

Great talent but an asshole.

I'd also rather we sign a top LB and another S, along with perhaps another WR and DE, than another DT.

is to keep him off the Cowboys, Eagles, or Redskins. I REALLY don't want to have to play against him for twice a year.

that Jerry Reese made a play for Haynesworth, and Suh is a better player than fatso ever was.

If he is available, I imagine we will open the checkbook. Good luck running on Suh, Hankins and JPP.

is going to Dallas or the Jets. He's not coming here if he wants to 'grow his brand'.

In comment 11888300 Jon in NYC said:

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that Jerry Reese made a play for Haynesworth, and Suh is a better player than fatso ever was. If he is available, I imagine we will open the checkbook. Good luck running on Suh, Hankins and JPP.

Haynesworth was a two-time first team all-pro in 2007 and 2008. Suh may have started hotter right out of college but lets not let Haynesworth's Washington years distort how good he was before then.

Dallas isn't even close to having enough cap room to sign Suh.

In comment 11888177 eclipz928 said:

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I'm still trying to figure out at what point did fans start caring about this "character player" bullshit.

For most Giants fans, it was 2008. Or maybe Will Hill.

Beyond that, somehow people are tuning into the idea that guys who aren't available to play because they're assholes, aren't actually that valuable.

Given your confusion and general lack of awareness on the subject, I only have one more thing to say…good to have you on BBI, Mr,. Goodell.

Yeah, him not being available to play isn't exactly a concern.

as the NFL continues to crack down on things like stomping on opposing players.

Once he got paid. Not even close except that Suh is a first class asshole on the field. But you don't hear about off field problems or that he lacks a brain.

If anything, the on field antics are out of his general character from what's been presented. Teammates love him and they say he is sharp and smart. This team could do a lot worse.

but aside from that, I agree with those who think rejection of this idea is insane. Arguably the best DT in football

and it will make up for the Beckham over Donald blunder....(3, 2, 1,...

makes a lot of sense.

in a heartbeat.

Will the Giants be able to outbid the rest of the league for him? Almost certainly not.

Might he take a smaller deal to play in New York? Maybe, but in that event, the Jets will probably still be able to offer more. Also, his agent and financial advisor will remind him that New Jersey's taxes are significantly higher than the taxes in, say, Florida. Any NY discount probably isn't going to be very big.

Only part of that is based on his behavior. I think he will command too much money. Given the DT play they are currently getting, I wouldn't commit such a big portion of the cap to a DT who will turn 28 before the next season.

Safety and LB as major need.
What FAs at those spots are available next season?
Need 2 LBs.
An OL and speedy RB would be nice too.
Suh? Maybe if he gives a newtown discount and promises to be a good little boy.

A lot can change but there doesn't seem to be much right now.
Orakp & Maualuga seem to be the most promising potential prospects as of now.

Let's look to the draft to fill holes I suppose.

can be idiots like Houston and over pay for defensive linemen.

If the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL, according to the majority on BBI, can render Watts basically useless, put up 45 points on him, demonstrates that any player needs good players around him to excel.

Just look at the cast around LT.

If Shue wants in at a reasonable price, I'd kick the tires.

If not, no effing way.

system is predicated on front 4 pressure and turnovers. Our blitzes suck and the guys never get home. However, when our front 4 gets pressure the secondary gets turnovers.

I'd make a play for Suh and try to give Fewell more guys on the DL to rush.

No knock on JPP, but I'd easily let him walk for the chance to get Suh. Suh has a cleaner bill of health and has been way more productive.

JJP and Suh are going to be asking for close to the same money?

In comment 11888641 ctc in ftmyers said:

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JJP and Suh are going to be asking for close to the same money?

I wouldn't be surprised to see JPP ask for the same money, but he certainly won't be getting anywhere close.

that gives him the most money...

In comment 11888471 81_Great_Dane said:

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Will the Giants be able to outbid the rest of the league for him? Almost certainly not. Might he take a smaller deal to play in New York? Maybe, but in that event, the Jets will probably still be able to offer more. Also, his agent and financial advisor will remind him that New Jersey's taxes are significantly higher than the taxes in, say, Florida. Any NY discount probably isn't going to be very big.

Everything you say is right. It's also word for word what was said about DRC.

to build his "brand"...then lets see him do it for $2mm per year.

Have of $6m of unspent CAP room this year carrying forward.

Brand

Even if Suh really wanted to come here,I would be hesitant with people who use that term.

the there is good reasons for and against

for he is a force,unblockable at times,nasty streak

against a headcase,cap price?,already have jenkins,hankins,bromley and kuhn,thats 3 draft picks plus a high price free agent at the position already

he wants to win sees the giants as a way to get a ring they won 2 in recent years and have a solid roster and figure to challenge for the next few years

i also wonder about the distaction of a guy like him on the giants,when this team won it all on those runs it was because they played like a team and thursday night it seams they are getting that team spirit back. why risk it,and as has already been said he wants paid big i guess

you would need to at least have him in and speak to him get a feel for where his head is and what price he wants and then decide it would be impossible to keep prince,jjp and sign this guy i would rather keep our guys in that instance

prince has really come on the last 2 seasons and jpp is getting back to form too

With the money he wants we could re-sign Prince and another player.

Prince is a nice player, he's good enough to plan man coverage against most #1 receivers, but he doesnt make enough plays on the ball. Is he worth giving a free agent deal to? Are you going to pay him a FA deal where he is basically going to command being paid like a #1 DB, when he wont even be the #1 DB on the team?

I think that is a dubious decision when you consider we can spend it on Suh instead.

but he doesnt make enough impact plays that change the complexion of the game.

DRC his whole career is a lock to get 4 INTs a year. I cant pay a guy a FA deal that wont make impact plays.

He's a nice player, but not an impact one.

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but he doesnt make enough impact plays that change the complexion of the game. DRC his whole career is a lock to get 4 INTs a year. I cant pay a guy a FA deal that wont make impact plays. He's a nice player, but not an impact one.

Prince is the one locking unto the opposing #1 more often than not and he's made huge strides in the last year or so. He's also improved on playing the ball in the air. If you don't consider that an impact player, I don't know what to tell you.

In comment 11889334 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 11889333 kepler20 said: Quote: but he doesnt make enough impact plays that change the complexion of the game. DRC his whole career is a lock to get 4 INTs a year. I cant pay a guy a FA deal that wont make impact plays. He's a nice player, but not an impact one. Prince is the one locking unto the opposing #1 more often than not and he's made huge strides in the last year or so. He's also improved on playing the ball in the air. If you don't consider that an impact player, I don't know what to tell you.

I do not doubt for 1 second Prince is an ascending player, a rare one at that, whose best years are STILL ahead of him.

My problem is that Prince still doenst project to be a probowl caliber DB. Yes, he is improving, but I'm not convinced he's going to improve into a guy who can be a 4int/20pDEF kind of player. DRC most certainly is because he's basically done that every year of his career.

So if I am given the option of the three, which are

A) Pay Suh
B) Pay Prince 5-7m/year
C) Don't pay Prince

I think the obvious choice is to select A or C. I don't think in this league you can justify paying a guy whose basically very average in terms of production 5-7m a year. Prince isnt a guy who is putting up 4int/20pdef.

Would take him in a second. Reality - it will not happen.

How exactly does he fit with the Jets. He is a 4-3 DT who has never player NT in a 3-4. Plus, they have 2 DE in Wilkerson and Richardson who are going to get money

player. He is an above average corner that is getting better albeit slowly.

Suh is clearly good at what he does. But that price tag will be so high that it is a disinvestment in the rest of the team. My guess is as a FA signing, he will play hard until he knows he doesn't have a Super-Bowl caliber team and then will he will not play hard...

offer big $$$ to Haynesworth. They did make a big offer, he just got a bigger one in Wash (thank goodness!)

It would seem to me that as much as the Giants value the D Line, they would certainly be interested in a player like Suh.
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on this team. He is as disruptive force as you'll see even when he doesn't fill up the stat sheet. I think he's the best defensive lineman after JJ Watt.

While Suh has crossed the line, I think it's just a matter of refining his concentration and ability to "turn it off" as quickly as he can turn it on.

What I think we are going to see is that the improved offensive line and better fitting offensive scheme will show that Eli is still the goods, and that we can be contenders again and so it might be easier to get certain free agents who want to win rings.

and eagles, Suh would an extreme disruptive force on the interior offensive lines. He would immediately give the Giants an edge in every game in the trenches.

Lets wait until the end of the season before we make a final assessment. He absolutely has played better so far this year. Lets see him do it for 16 games. PLUS... he has had difficulty staying on the field. So, we need to make sure we are paying a guy to play and not sit in an ice tub

really good tackler and not afraid to stick his nose in there and get dirty.

But the last time he had issues staying healthy was 3 years ago.

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Lets wait until the end of the season before we make a final assessment. He absolutely has played better so far this year. Lets see him do it for 16 games. PLUS... he has had difficulty staying on the field. So, we need to make sure we are paying a guy to play and not sit in an ice tub

huh? How do people watch football and not see how good Prince has been? He was excellent last year and has been more of the same this year.

I don't get what people think they're watching sometimes.


As for Suh, at a reasonable price, how could you not want that type of talent?

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he's not the only one though. It's absurd.

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he's not the only one though. It's absurd.

These are the same people, who only see the tangible numbers (interception, pass defended, etc.) without seeing the nuance of the position. That's why many of them were touting how Steve Brown was great because of his gaudy numbers when he was far from great.

Prince has been consistently great for the past two years. He may not get you the interception numbers, but the guy is just rock solid as a CB.

if we extend Eli (giving us a new Bank of Eli) and sign Prince and JPP with cap hits of about 8 million per year each in the first year of their new deals, where they get guaranteed money. It might even work if JPP's 2015 cap hit is 13 million and Prince's is 9 million. The Giants actually have a lot of money available under the cap for 2015. We have a projected 21 million, which will increase substantially with Eli's new deal being backloaded and Rolle's smaller cap number next year. Those two moves will offset most of JPP's and Prince's contract bumps and still give us room for Suh

which frees up another 9.6 million (7.4 from Kiwi and 2.2 from Jenkins)

And then still have cash to sign Suh i dont know how anybody wouldnt want him
He is the best DT in the league and is an absolute force and makes this dline one of the top 3 dlines in this league

He's not a TC type guy

but I'm not breaking the bank for Suh. Hankins isn't Suh, but I think he gives us a similar physical presence in the middle for a fraction of his cost. Honestly, I think JPP gets north of $10m. I'm not sure that we'd have as much dough as we think, then again, we could see a substantial increase in cap with the revenues from the new TV deal.

In comment 11888282 TMS said:

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of a few years aqo (when he went after Haynesworth) might have tried to get that done. But not now, he does not make those decisions anymore. He wasted enough $$$ on Canty. Besides, this guy is also a head case, who could be anthother Haynesworth if things do not go his way. NO way.

The casual fan might think Canty was a waste of money, but he occupied double teams pretty consistently for us, and he filled a position of huge need at the time. Just because his stats didn't show up on the box score does not mean he never lived up to his contract.

Coefield, the player he replaced, who was a better player with a better contract.

it's such an uneducated statement to make.

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it's such an uneducated statement to make.

Yeah, he was a solid player.

probably wants to play for anyone who will pay him big bucks. Second, people questioning the Prince? WTF.

Per ESPN. Spotrac lists his 2015 salary at $6.8M.
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