NFT: Yankees Day 1 of the Offseason Thread

and go with Betances...

I think Yankees make a run at BOTH lester and Sherzer...

I think Arod if healthy is on the team really no way to get rid of him unless he retires...

SS i have no idea...

In comment 11889630 nygiants16 said:

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and go with Betances... I think Yankees make a run at BOTH lester and Sherzer... I think Arod if healthy is on the team really no way to get rid of him unless he retires... SS i have no idea...

We've got Tanaka (unless he ends up needing surgery), Pineda, Nova (when he comes back), CC and Shane Greene penciled in. Because of injuries and question marks that could leave room for one starter. I could see Brendan McCarthy (though he may have priced himself out of NY) coming back as a stopgap. I could see them pursuing Lester or Scherzer. I really can't see them doing both.

I totally understand that. But Kevin Long has to go. How he survived after last season I'll never know, but if he survives after this year then I'll just assume that he's sucking someone important's dick. Fire him.

David Robertson has been a very good reliever for us and he was a worthy choice to replace Mariano. But he's going to want ridiculous money for a Closer and while he's a very good closer, I wouldn't call him great (periphs overrate him imo). I'd say thanks for being a solid Yankee but no thanks during contract negotiations, and I'd move Betances to the closer role. I know some want Betances to remain in his Fireman role, but I feel like that role's a little more dangerous in terms of future health and I'd stay on the safe side in terms of health when it comes to a talent like Betances.

Hate it or Love it, A-Rod is a part of this team. We just have to deal with it and hope the year off has him feeling well.

Our hitting is a joke. So many old, injury prone, and expensive players. It just makes me sad thinking about how fucked our hitting is unless some of these old guys find the fountain of youth (or PEDs, again).

But our pitching is such a question mark. It's a strong group if Pineda and Tanaka stay healthy, but that sees like a risky proposition. I do expect us to make a run at Lester or Sherzer, and that could potentially give us a tremendous rotation if health permits. But our pitching health concerns and old ass hitters just makes me feel down on this team.

And be a Yankee for another season

Jose Reyes has 4 years left at $22 million per - but the 4th year has a $4 million buyout. I expect Toronto would be willing to eat a significant portion of it and won't ask for an impact player or prospect in return. He can still hit, steal bases and has a good range at ss. It's worth looking into.

And they'd still miss the playoffs because they can't score runs if their lives depended on it.

In comment 11889661 Ira said:

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Jose Reyes has 4 years left at $22 million per - but the 4th year has a $4 million buyout. I expect Toronto would be willing to eat a significant portion of it and won't ask for an impact player or prospect in return. He can still hit, steal bases and has a good range at ss. It's worth looking into.

As much as this pains me, I think you're right. It makes a lot of sense.

which the Yanks wont follow...but oh well

1) trade for SS Stalin Castro
2) sign free agent pitcher James Shields or Jon Lester
3) resign SP McCarthy and Pineda (he is arbitration eligible I believe)
4) Make Prado our start 3b. He hits better when he plays 3b.
5)Let Refsnyder battle for 2b job
6) sign a power bat for DH/of relief


Starting Rotation
Tanaka
Shields or Lester
Pineda
CC
Greene (he has earned the lead going into spring training Nova wont be ready by start of season)

Lineup
CF Ellsbury
Lf Gardner
1b Tex
C McCann
Rf Beltran or someone we signed
3b Prado
SS Castro
Dh Beltran or someone we signed
2b Refsynder or other

everything else is gravy!!!

In comment 11889666 Danny Kanell said:

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In comment 11889661 Ira said: Quote: Jose Reyes has 4 years left at $22 million per - but the 4th year has a $4 million buyout. I expect Toronto would be willing to eat a significant portion of it and won't ask for an impact player or prospect in return. He can still hit, steal bases and has a good range at ss. It's worth looking into. As much as this pains me, I think you're right. It makes a lot of sense.

It makes sense, sure, even if his skillset is diminished, and there are rumblings they overcommitted on salary, but there is still a lot of interest in good shortstops, especially of the switch-hitting variety, and we would likely have to pay an intra-division premium.

as Epstein has no attachment to him and they have three other prospects at the position. It could certainly happen, we just have to match up and the asking price may still be high.

strong...would love to see him put it together and stay healthy for a full season

like it or not, I agree A-Rod will be back, unless the Yanks really want to pay him $28 million but tell him to stay away

at the deadline the Sox made a conscious decision to become sellers. They were behind the Yankees, but no too too far behind. Subsequently, or perhaps consequently, they finished with the 6th worse record (picking 7th because of the Astros inability to sign their first pick this year) and, more importantly, have a protected first rounder. In contrast, NY chose to become buyers and make a run.

I know it's hindsight, but if you could bring yourself back to the end of July, looking at your team, would you have made a different choice if you were the GM?

In comment 11889719 Bill L said:

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at the deadline the Sox made a conscious decision to become sellers. They were behind the Yankees, but no too too far behind. Subsequently, or perhaps consequently, they finished with the 6th worse record (picking 7th because of the Astros inability to sign their first pick this year) and, more importantly, have a protected first rounder. In contrast, NY chose to become buyers and make a run. I know it's hindsight, but if you could bring yourself back to the end of July, looking at your team, would you have made a different choice if you were the GM?

We would have had to be really, really bad to get a protected pick. At least eight more losses. We didn't have much to sell, and we didn't buy that much either (surrendering DePaula for a couple months of Headley and O'Brien for a couple years of Prado). What's the point of pissing away the 13th pick on JJ Hardy when we could generate a little bit of excitement and piss away the 19th pick on JJ Hardy?

In comment 11889719 Bill L said:

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at the deadline the Sox made a conscious decision to become sellers. They were behind the Yankees, but no too too far behind. Subsequently, or perhaps consequently, they finished with the 6th worse record (picking 7th because of the Astros inability to sign their first pick this year) and, more importantly, have a protected first rounder. In contrast, NY chose to become buyers and make a run. I know it's hindsight, but if you could bring yourself back to the end of July, looking at your team, would you have made a different choice if you were the GM?

Once Tanaka went down, any chance the Yanks had of their pitching overcoming their crap offense went out the window IMO

The Yanks still seemed to believe at the deadline that Beltran, McCann, Ellsbury et al would revert to career norms in the 2nd half and help us reach the playoffs...obviously that didn't happen, whether due to injuries or whatever

But as always, Yanks were also trying to prove they were going for it so they could keep selling their overpriced tickets.

So as per usual, the Yanks overspent. Conversely, the Red Sox seem to be playing it smart ever since their Bobby V disaster season

their starting rotation is Laptops (who sucked this year) and nobody else. Their lineup is an aging Pedroia, an aging Napoli, an aging Papi, and hoping for the best from kids. Yeah they'll make some moves in the offseason, but for a team everyone thinks has the Midas touch they were f-cking awful this year.

In comment 11889738 Dunedin81 said:

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their starting rotation is Laptops (who sucked this year) and nobody else. Their lineup is an aging Pedroia, an aging Napoli, an aging Papi, and hoping for the best from kids. Yeah they'll make some moves in the offseason, but for a team everyone thinks has the Midas touch they were f-cking awful this year.

Bingo. They got something like 30% of their homeruns and 1/6 of their RBI's from ol' Punkinhead who ain't gettng any younger. Sooner or later his physicians in the DR aren't going to be able to keep him going.

they have 3 thirdbasemen, a half a first basemen, a collection of outfielders only one of whom is any good, no secondbaseman and a ? at SS.

Prado may be the default at second base if they sign Drew to play SS.

They'd be crazy not to. Worst case, they get him back for a year and we have the great Betances-DRob connection.

I think there will be some overpriced SS available for us to Snag - Reyes/Andrus/Castro

I say let Pirela/Refsyder battle it out for 2B and Prado can be the fall back there.

Don't want to think about ARod.

I would like the Yanks to bring in a lower level bat with pop, maybe someone who can play a little first and RF/LF. Maybe Mike Morse or someone like that.

BUT MOSTLY - No big contracts to old guys.

sign a shortstop and rely on Prado as a super-sub for Beltran, A-Rod and one of Pirela or Refsnyder at 2B. I don't want to give up a pick for VMart but he would provide insurance against Teix's wrist injury staying with him and Beltran coming back healthy. That would have been a very different lineup with his 32 HR and .335 average in the middle of it.

Have taught the yankees us to stay away from older players. Giving up a first round pick for v mart us counter productive and most likely will blow up in their face like what happened this past year.


I am for Reyes as long as the cost isn't for a top 10 prospect. I like him much more then any other short stop option and that includes castro. Castro is going to cost the yankees serious talent. I am talking Pineda or severino plus. No thanks.

I don't mind if they go after Lester or Tomas because neither will cost a draft choice. Yankees need to start caring about their picks rather then throw them away. It is one reason why they are in the mess they are in.

In comment 11889738 Dunedin81 said:

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their starting rotation is Laptops (who sucked this year) and nobody else. Their lineup is an aging Pedroia, an aging Napoli, an aging Papi, and hoping for the best from kids. Yeah they'll make some moves in the offseason, but for a team everyone thinks has the Midas touch they were f-cking awful this year.

For the most part, I agree. However, I think one good thing is that they were able to get a better read on those kids. I think they feel that Betts and Bogardts can play. Cespedes ain't great but he's not bad and will bring stability to their lineup. Pedroia was (hopefully) more hurt than aging (I admit I thought he was done earlier in the year). Buchholz was an enigma but when he's on, he's still good. Joe Kelly looks solid to me and I think de la Rosa will be decent. I do believe they will make a run at a goof SP, likely Lester and should they succeed in acquiring one, their rotation will not be terrible.

I am optimistic. Plus the AL East is horrible.

someone on another forum stated that the Yanks were going to ask A-Rod to play some winter league ball to see where's he at in his rehab.

And say with the many questions the yankees have in their rotation that they need Lester badly. They need a guy in their rotation that will eat innings. We do not know if Tanaka, Pineda, cc, nova will be able to give them innings. Even Mccarthy is a risky bet and in no way, shape or for am giving Mccarthy 3 to 4 years with his history. For me signing Lester is also about helping to preserve our bull pen arms.

or was he acquired too close to the deadline?

They cant. Players traded during the season can't bring back a draft choice.

a level of asset mismanagement where they let Cano and Robertson go for nothing in back to back years.

Too many older players who will break down under the grind of a full season.

I'd like to see them go after big game James Shields. He eats innings and performs well. As to SS, they need to make a move. Starling Castro can be had and JJ hardy is a free agent. Wouldn't mind Tulo either but he would command a healthy trade.

We really need some young bats.

In comment 11889814 Semipro Lineman said:

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someone on another forum stated that the Yanks were going to ask A-Rod to play some winter league ball to see where's he at in his rehab.

Please play in the Dominican, please play in the Dominican...

In comment 11889929 VAJerr said:

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Too many older players who will break down under the grind of a full season. I'd like to see them go after big game James Shields. He eats innings and performs well. As to SS, they need to make a move. Starling Castro can be had and JJ hardy is a free agent. Wouldn't mind Tulo either but he would command a healthy trade. We really need some young bats.

You say get younger, then you advocate signing the oldest of the front-end starting pitchers.

In comment 11889804 Bill L said:

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In comment 11889738 Dunedin81 said: Quote: their starting rotation is Laptops (who sucked this year) and nobody else. Their lineup is an aging Pedroia, an aging Napoli, an aging Papi, and hoping for the best from kids. Yeah they'll make some moves in the offseason, but for a team everyone thinks has the Midas touch they were f-cking awful this year. For the most part, I agree. However, I think one good thing is that they were able to get a better read on those kids. I think they feel that Betts and Bogardts can play. Cespedes ain't great but he's not bad and will bring stability to their lineup. Pedroia was (hopefully) more hurt than aging (I admit I thought he was done earlier in the year). Buchholz was an enigma but when he's on, he's still good. Joe Kelly looks solid to me and I think de la Rosa will be decent. I do believe they will make a run at a goof SP, likely Lester and should they succeed in acquiring one, their rotation will not be terrible. I am optimistic. Plus the AL East is horrible.

I think they made the best of a bad situation this year, but until one of those arms demonstrates that he is something more than a 4-5 (could be Owens, could be Barnes or Ranaudo, could be none of the above) and one or both of Betts and Bogaerts emerges as a top of the lineup bat (and even if they do) they're still a few players away from being competitive.

He did a good job. He's lefty, he won't cost a ton and might take a one year deal. You can't have too many pitchers and Capuano would be good insurance. He could be a good place holder until a young guy is ready for promotion. Bryan Mitchell, Severino and Banuelos may be better served with a little more minor league action before getting a shot.

In comment 11889663 Greg from LI said:

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And they'd still miss the playoffs because they can't score runs if their lives depended on it.

This. We're probably not Jon Lester away from making the playoffs, which is why I don't want them to give an extremely large contract to a SP. Hitting is the problem. I think our SP is very, very good if you just resign McCarthy and a cheaper option to replace Kuroda if he retires/not resigned as we suspect. McCarthy pitched like an ace while in NY, nearly as good or better than Lester or scherzer. And will be much cheaper and shorter contract. And I don't think it was a fluke, I liked him all year with ARI, the peripherals were all there and actually improved from prior years. He added weight in the offseason in an effort to stay healthy/durable, and he did, and added a couple mph to his fastball in the process, with improved k/9 of about 9. And a phenomenal k/bb of like 5:1.

Cole, Tanaka and Pineda would have been three studs 25 and under with multiple guys under 28 to fill the last two spots.

had made an effort to sign Cole. Big screw-up by not even calling him...

In comment 11890132 Rob in NYC said:

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had made an effort to sign Cole. Big screw-up by not even calling him...

Yeah if only they had conveyed their record offer to him, he might be in pinstripes today.

Read about him, but looking forward to see the interest we have and whether teams feel he is an impact player and going to be able to make the transition. Saw the rumor that an unnamed team has already offered him $75m. In theory/best case scenario, he's exactly what we need, a young middle of the order power bat. And based on current roster construction, rf is essentially the only place we are going to be able to add that. Otherwise I wonder what's on the trade market that we may not be aware of, because the FA options aren't great, or they're dh types.

More nervous than Castillo did.
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I would get him a first baseman's mitt and have him play there. I am sure he can hit more then .216 Tex is done! Great fielder but awful hitter and an injury waiting to happen. I realize the money he is making but at some point if you want the team to succeed,you have to eat his contract unless you want him to be a Mike Hegan type player.

He was overrated even at his peak. Is now declining and guaranteed to miss a fair number of games.

Yanks need a big bat before anything.

All 3 are under 35... way too young for Cashman's liking!

My first choice for this offseason is to get the Cubs on the phone for one of their young SS. It'll prolly be Castro, and the price will be high, but he's got great tools.

Call around to see if there's a market for McCann, if you can dump him off on someone, do it. Ditto Gardner. He's my favorite player on the team, but if they can flip him for a power bat or a young pitcher, they've gotta do it while he's still got value.

Pass on any of the pitchers. We've learned our lesson on signing aging pitchers to long term deals. Hopefully.

This team is likely going to struggle next year, so let's get the kids up here and let's see what we have.

who will rebuild the farm system.

The Yankees are years away from being legit contenders.

what that means for him going forward remains to be seen, but he probably showed enough to hold onto a 40-man spot.

resign Headley and Drew and maybe McCarthy. Basically a "hold what you got." Wouldn't be my plan, but I see the appeal.
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for castro instead of getting a nice stop gap in reyes for pennies on the dollar? I don't understand the logic.

would be the only pitcher of interest. Face it CC is done

but his SB numbers are already in decline and his defense is just okay. He would be a nice acquisition, but so would Reyes and the asking price for the latter may be (may - it is within the division) significantly lower.

can resign drew for a couple years until one of our kids are ready to take over. i think drew will be much better next year with a full spring training.

In comment 11890697 sinctybldh said:

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can resign drew for a couple years until one of our kids are ready to take over. i think drew will be much better next year with a full spring training.

He is probably better, but if he's not you have to be willing to cut bait.