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Dunedin81 : 9/29/2014 10:20 am
A million questions:

Where do we go from here?

Does Brian Cashman come back?

Does Kevin Long come back?

Who is the starting shortstop for the 2015 Yankees?

Is Alex Rodriguez a part of this team?

Will Nova be healthy enough to contribute before the ASB?

Is Tanaka really healthy or is he a cut fastball away from Dr. James Andrews?

Does David Robertson come back?

On whom will we squander our 2015 first rounder?

Does Refsnyder or Pirela win a roster spot out of ST?

And...go!
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yeah  
sinctybldh : 9/29/2014 9:22 pm : link
but at least he will come cheap.
This kid...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 11:47 am : link
may turn into one of the best non-catcher hitting prospects we've had in a decade.

Josh Norris þ@jnorris427 · 5m5 minutes ago
Heard Jorge Mateo homered yesterday at #Yankees instructs and also stole two bags.

BA on some mid-round gems from 2014  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 11:52 am : link
Includes a Yankee prospect:

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Connor Spencer, 1b, Staten Island (Yankees)

In his three-year career at UC Irvine, Spencer hit .351, but with only one home run in 632 at-bats. The eighth-round pick hit .364 to win the NY-P batting title, but he did not hit a homer. The 6-foot-2, 215-pounder has a sweet lefthanded swing, but his inside-out approach is not conducive to power, and he’ll need to make adjustments to drive the ball better in order to profile at a corner position.

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Stephen Drew couldn't possibly be worse  
BeerFridge : 9/30/2014 12:02 pm : link
Had he qualified for the batting title, he'd have been arguably the worst hitter in baseball in 2014
Chad Jennings/LoHud  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 12:17 pm : link
on what to do with the Yankee FA's. Worthwhile read, even if I might disagree with some of it.
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yanks should be all over jj hardy  
bxgiants4 : 9/30/2014 1:07 pm : link
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pirela is worth a long look  
bxgiants4 : 9/30/2014 1:09 pm : link
especially if headley leaves bc prado would see a lot of time at 3rd to rest arod
better also have someone  
bxgiants4 : 9/30/2014 1:10 pm : link
watching Pineda this winter. make sure he doesnt eat himself out of the rotation and onto the DL
RE: yanks should be all over jj hardy  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 1:33 pm : link
In comment 11891660 bxgiants4 said:
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Hardy is 32, his OBP has been higher than .310 just once in the last 6 years, and his homerun rate dipped. He's a very good defensive shortstop, but he will command a multiyear deal (we'll see how that glove plays in years 3 and 4) and require us to surrender a pick.
BA's NYP Top 20...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 1:42 pm : link
had Torrens as the #4 prospect in the league.
ARod already said...  
Mike in St. Louis : 9/30/2014 1:59 pm : link
he's not interested in playing winter ball...
Yanks "working on" new contract for Cashman...  
Mike in St. Louis : 9/30/2014 2:00 pm : link
was there any real doubt he would be back?

from Rotoworld and ESPN New York...

"ESPN's Buster Olney reports that the Yankees "have begun the process of constructing a new contract" for general manager Brian Cashman.

Cashman has been New York's general manager for the past 17 seasons and his current contract is set to expire at the end of the month. The Yankees missed the playoffs for the second straight year despite spending big money last winter, but Olney hears that Cashman's relationship with the organization and the Steinbrenners remains strong."
Arod and winter ball...  
Mike in St. Louis : 9/30/2014 2:02 pm : link
"Most recently, Cashman said, the conversations centered on whether Rodriguez would be interested in playing in the Dominican Winter League. Cashman said he wasn't requesting that Rodriguez play winter ball, but he needed to find out whether Rodriguez wanted to get those games under his belt because doing so would likely require several phone calls about the team's insurance policy. Ultimately, it didn't matter, because Rodriguez said he doesn't want to play this winter."
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RE: Arod and winter ball...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 11891784 Mike in St. Louis said:
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"Most recently, Cashman said, the conversations centered on whether Rodriguez would be interested in playing in the Dominican Winter League. Cashman said he wasn't requesting that Rodriguez play winter ball, but he needed to find out whether Rodriguez wanted to get those games under his belt because doing so would likely require several phone calls about the team's insurance policy. Ultimately, it didn't matter, because Rodriguez said he doesn't want to play this winter." Link - ( New Window )


Fuck. Imagine A-Rod in the Dominican, away from the watchful eyes of baseball's pharmaceuticals police, working out with David Ortiz...
...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 2:31 pm : link
Bryan Hoch þ@BryanHoch · 7m7 minutes ago
Carlos Beltran had right elbow surgery today; Yankees say he can resume hitting and throwing in six weeks, playing in 12.

RE: ...  
BeerFridge : 9/30/2014 2:35 pm : link
In comment 11891859 Dunedin81 said:
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Bryan Hoch þ@BryanHoch · 7m7 minutes ago
Carlos Beltran had right elbow surgery today; Yankees say he can resume hitting and throwing in six weeks, playing in 12.


Hopefully, this is what held him back and we can expect a rebound next year. Otherwise, that contract looks bad.

My one hope for this offseason is no more contracts to dudes over 30. Time to get younger.
please get some young up n coming position players on this team  
djm : 9/30/2014 2:42 pm : link
I want players that are on the way up. Guys we can watch develop. No more guys that are on the way down...
RE: please get some young up n coming position players on this team  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 3:04 pm : link
In comment 11891887 djm said:
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I want players that are on the way up. Guys we can watch develop. No more guys that are on the way down...


I'd love to see them commit to giving that 2B job to Pirela or Refsnyder. If one or both of them struggle so be it, that won't be the difference between offensive success or failure.
A couple tweets  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 3:39 pm : link
MLB Pipeline þ@MLBPipeline · 8m8 minutes ago
.@Yankees #3 prospect @E_Jagielo removed from @MLBazFallLeague roster after being hit in face/head by a pitch in instructional league play.

Of Torrens:

Daniel Wexler þ@WexlerRules · 16m16 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 "Not physically mature yet" "Needs to get stronger" "zero doubt" he remains a catcher due to defense.

Daniel Wexler þ@WexlerRules · 14m14 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 Spencer among his 4 not to make the list with the best chance of being a big leaguer.

...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 3:51 pm : link
Daniel Wexler þ@WexlerRules · 2m2 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 No other Yankees were "real close" Hensley had a chance if he qualified, Acevedo huge arm but old, cites Foley, Beresford

Daniel Wexler þ@WexlerRules · 3m3 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 Estrada and Breen worth monitoring

On jj hardy, is it definite he will receive the QO?  
Gmen4Life21 : 9/30/2014 3:52 pm : link
I wonder because 1) would the orioles be willing to pay him $15m for one year? I doubt that. 2) can the orioles be sure he declines? With the way things turned out last year will be more likely accept? There are also quite a few SS this year, some probably won't have that draft comp tied to them. Lowrie (even if more a 2b), drew and Asdrubal. He has been more consistent/healthier than drew was last year, but is on the decline power and otherwise, does have his health concerns, and year or two older-though overall better heading into FA. But is he definitely getting the QO? I haven't looked into it, but I wonder outside Hanley.
I'd be surprised if he didn't...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 3:58 pm : link
he's an above average defender who hits reasonably well. He may actually take the QO and I think Baltimore would be okay with that.
Yeah I would think he does get the QO  
Gmen4Life21 : 9/30/2014 4:22 pm : link
I wonder whether bal wants him back but I guess that'll be largely dependent on machado being healthy which is questionable. Also I thought they had someone to fill in if they let him go but I could be wrong, I remember there were talks a year or two ago of moving manny to his natural ss and let hardy to but maybe theres no one imminent, perhaps schoop but they probably need him at 2b (they have flaherty but not sure he's viewed as more than a utility guy).
Kiley McDaniel with a non-subscriber chat...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 10:51 pm : link
includes some hefty praise for Torrens and Mateo and some mention of the 7/2 guys.

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Kiley McDaniel: The recent July 2 16/17 year olds all basically looks like they’re 16/17 so far, except for 18 year old Korean SS Hyo-Joon Park (who looks solid and is kinda like Hak Ju Lee) and Juan De Leon, who looks awesome…and while he didn’t get the highest bonus in this class, many thought he was the best of the prospects they signed way back before July 2
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Kiley McDaniel: Also, C Luis Torrens and SS Jorge Mateo are for real. Those 4 guys are the short season international guys to watch that scouts and I are excited about.

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The expanded version of Dan's tweets  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2014 10:55 pm : link
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aaron fitt: no other yankees were really that close. hensley might have made the list if he qualified -- he was up to 96 at staten island, pitched at 90-93, and showed a plus curveball. when he had his fastball command, he looked very good, from what i heard. other arms of interest: andury acevedo was way too old for the league, but he has a huge arm, with a 93-96 fastball and a power slider in the high 80s. jordan foley is a big physical righty who touches at least 94 (i heard one report of a 96) and threw some nasty sliders. he's a two-pitch bullpen guy, but i liked him in the cape league last summer, ranked him in the top 30 in that league. andy beresford is another older guy with a big arm, like acevedo; i heard he was up to 95 with plus sink and good control from a three-quarters slot, but lacks secondary stuff. two position guys to watch (in addition to spencer): thairo estrada, a slick-fielding 18-year-old shortstop with enough contact skills to give him a chance at the plate, though doesn't seem like an impact hitter at this stage. and christopher breen, an outfielder with some power, arm strength, sneaky athleticism and ability to recognize spin. i am particularly intrigued by him.
LoHud on the SS options...  
Dunedin81 : 10/1/2014 2:41 pm : link
really nothing obvious there.
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Feisand on 5 "must make" moves for the Yanks...  
Dunedin81 : 10/1/2014 2:46 pm : link
Tomas will probably be a popular suggestion, as will giving the kids a chance, but everything else on there is debatable.
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Too many holes to fill  
Boo57 : 10/1/2014 5:58 pm : link
The Yankees should just bite the bullet... tear down the roster... and rebuild... starting with the farm system
The farm system is underrated...  
Dunedin81 : 10/1/2014 6:03 pm : link
the narrative that says it's a barren wasteland is a year old and wasn't true then either. It produced a shutdown setup man and probably our second best starter in the span of a few months.
Farm system underrated?  
Boo57 : 10/1/2014 6:45 pm : link
Name all the "top prospects" that have emerged from the Yankees farm system under Cashman.
I'm not talking about the last 10 years  
Dunedin81 : 10/1/2014 6:49 pm : link
(the period where Cashman's people ran the farm). I'm talking about right now. And right now their farm is middling or better, despite a paucity of early round draft picks thanks to their annual spending binges.
IF...  
Boo57 : 10/1/2014 6:51 pm : link
If the Yankees farm system had any decent prospects, Cashman would be trading them for veteran players, like he always did in the past.
RE: Farm system underrated?  
PetesHereNow : 10/1/2014 6:52 pm : link
In comment 11894318 Boo57 said:
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Name all the "top prospects" that have emerged from the Yankees farm system under Cashman.


Cano, Gardner, Robertson, Betances.

Montero netted us Pineda.
RE: IF...  
PetesHereNow : 10/1/2014 6:53 pm : link
In comment 11894326 Boo57 said:
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If the Yankees farm system had any decent prospects, Cashman would be trading them for veteran players, like he always did in the past.


Name me the last time cashman traded a prospect for a veteran.
RE: IF...  
Dunedin81 : 10/1/2014 7:04 pm : link
In comment 11894326 Boo57 said:
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If the Yankees farm system had any decent prospects, Cashman would be trading them for veteran players, like he always did in the past.


Ignorant nonsense. Most of those decisions predated Cashman's control. He has been in charge since roughly 2005-2006. In that time the sole premium prospect traded for a veteran was Ajax for Granderson. Otherwise it has been lesser prospects for veterans (Montero for Pineda was youth for youth). In fact his refusal to trade premium prospects (Hughes in particular) has been criticized more than his willingness to do so.
How about Chase Headley for Depaula  
rich in DC : 10/1/2014 7:05 pm : link
Or Pete O'Brien for Prado.

Yes, Cashman does trade prospects for vets- that's what they are for. However, in recent years, he has done a better job of retaining their top guys.

Let's see if he can restrain himself from trading Judge, Severino, or the other top guys this winter.
Neither was a premium prospect...  
Dunedin81 : 10/1/2014 7:07 pm : link
DePaula was a wildcard struggling in High A and O'Brien was a power-only guy without a defensive position. Both had potential, sure, but neither was a premium prospect.
Hal threw Kevin Long under the bus...  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 9:09 am : link
he will likely be fired. Also was tactfully harsh in regards to Mark Teixeira and said the Yanks are likely in the market for a shortstop and a starting pitcher.
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Clarkin, Judge and Severino...  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 10:16 am : link
all made the Sally League Top 20.
Dunedin  
wigs in nyc : 10/2/2014 10:17 am : link
If you had to put money on it, would you bet that Severino lasts the off-season?
Yeah I think so...  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 10:20 am : link
they're pretty gunshy at this point about moving their top prospects. Sanchez's value was reasonably high last offseason and JR Murphy looked like he could take over the position in short order and we still held onto both. We have been willing to move middling prospects or guys with standout tools (Corey Black's velocity, Peter O'Brien's power) but the guys who really rated among our best prospects have stayed put over the last several years.
Crib notes from BA  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 10:57 am : link
Bobby Milone þ@monkeyboy1129 · 5m5 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 He’s not spectacular, and he doesn’t necessarily have an above-average pitch, but he throws a solid-average three-pitches

Bobby Milone þ@monkeyboy1129 · 5m5 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 He already shows a feel for keeping hitters off-balance by pitching backwards at times. - Clarkin

Bobby Milone þ@monkeyboy1129 · 3m3 minutes ago
@RusselHenderso1 Judge- “Guy is a hitter first. Guy who should hit for power like he projects to, the fact he has the hit tool bodes well.”

Judge is a tremendous athlete with plus defense potential  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2014 11:02 am : link
That's a big plus when added to his bat. He could be a rock-solid regular down the line, possibly with an All-Star ceiling if his power develops.
...  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 11:05 am : link
j þ@hir0kikur0da · 5m5 minutes ago
@monkeyboy1129 @RusselHenderso1 The review on Clarkin is probably the hardest I've seen. Saw good reviews from BP & Mike Newman.


j þ@hir0kikur0da · 4m4 minutes ago
@monkeyboy1129 @RusselHenderso1 Both saying he'll have a plus change-up, Newman saying as high as a future 70.


how does a solid avg pitcher  
sinctybldh : 10/2/2014 11:12 am : link
make a top 20 list? How also does he strikeout a batter per inning based on avg pitches? Conclusion BA is full of shit on Clarkin.
RE: how does a solid avg pitcher  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 11:18 am : link
In comment 11895239 sinctybldh said:
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make a top 20 list? How also does he strikeout a batter per inning based on avg pitches? Conclusion BA is full of shit on Clarkin.


Advanced pitchability. Think Camarena, control isn't as good but with the addition couple MPH on his FB.
ya i am just not  
sinctybldh : 10/2/2014 11:24 am : link
buying that all his pitches are solid avg. That wasn't what the Yankees saw when they decided to draft him.
RE: ya i am just not  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 11:28 am : link
In comment 11895268 sinctybldh said:
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buying that all his pitches are solid avg. That wasn't what the Yankees saw when they decided to draft him.


Agreed, but his hallmark even at that time was pitchability, exceptional maturity for his age. Stuff is better than he gets credit for, he was still adjusting to college and advanced hitters in the SAL, but where he really shines is the mental side of things.
not Yankees, but good news for me and Dune  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2014 11:33 am : link
Danny Hultzen pitched pain-free and well in the Mariners' instructional league in Arizona
RE: not Yankees, but good news for me and Dune  
Dunedin81 : 10/2/2014 11:34 am : link
In comment 11895290 Greg from LI said:
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Danny Hultzen pitched pain-free and well in the Mariners' instructional league in Arizona


Glad to hear that. I remember seeing him pitch a couple years ago at Davenport, the kid is the goods. He just has to stay healthy.
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