They don't have to make a move until next week, but my guess is that Talley or Fox goes back to the PS...that is, if the Giants don't decide to cut him.
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Odell Beckham says he plans to practice Wednesday, practice full Thursday and believes he is ready to play Sunday.
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.@OBJ_3 began extra 1-on-1 meetings w/ Eli Manning last week to speed up his learning curve. Hopes to fully practice Wed, play Sunday. #NYG
The Giants won't carry more than six healthy linebackers. Whether that roster spot goes to Hosley remains to be seen. I would guess it does.
At WR, I think Talley stays even after Beckham is fully cleared. Six WRs is the normal roster allocation to the position.
When Schwartz returns, an offensive lineman will go. Reynolds seems the most likely victim. I'm not sure whether Snyder's salary is guaranteed for the year; I think it is, because he signed before the first game, and I don't think he has received termination pay before. In any case, it's hard to know where the last couple of backup linemen stand, because we only see them in garbage time. The holding penalty on Thursday probably didn't help Mosley's cause, but I don't see him getting cut.
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Rookie LB Devon Kennard (hamstring) did not practice today but says the plan is for him to practice Wednesday. Says he's ready to play.
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Rookie LB Devon Kennard (hamstring) did not practice today but says the plan is for him to practice Wednesday. Says he's ready to play.
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Fred: Paysinger backs up Williams on the other side.
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does not translate to bursts required at game speed. Beckham could be one such burst away from going back to sitting.
Hope that scenario does not play out. But until I see several quarters of full speed football, I do not plan on thinking of him as part of the Giants offense going forward for this season.
Not cut one of the OL? Brewer, Brown, and Snyder all candidates to be axed. Pugh has had attention at LT and Mosley at RT. Once Schwartz is healthy something has to go.
I'll miss him running away from wide open RBs with his back turned to the line.
So painful to watch
To say the least. That is the type of play that should get a guy cut. No excuse for that at this point.
I've been trying to find a video on-line of the play. I don't want to be a Debbie Downer after a win like that but if I'm an opposing O-coordinator I'm calling for tons of passes out of the backfield against the Giants if Herzlich is on the field.
RE: Any play from a LB that can reduce Herzlich's snaps on the field
a perfect example of "mob" mentality. hertzlich was a favorite the great BC backer who was unassailable. any comments about his gait, speed, or decision making were met for two years by a total board defense and frequently by a personal attack on the poster.
now everyone is on line to throw shit at hertzlich without much objectivity either.
I agree he is a poor lb'er. I think no one my self included really grasps the subtle effects of chemotherapy on brain and nerve function. most go unnoticed in plain old people, but I think the effect on the cns of a pro athelete are devastating to that extra ability they have.
I think it makes little sense and its unkind to harp on his deficiencies. the coaches will do what they think is best for the team
no one is attacking Herzlich personally. Everyone is attacking his lack of ability on the football field at this point. His recovery from illness is a great triumph for him, but it doesn't give him a pass on the field. Either perform or be cut, that's they way it works in the NFL and he isn't performing.
does not translate to bursts required at game speed. Beckham could be one such burst away from going back to sitting.
Hope that scenario does not play out. But until I see several quarters of full speed football, I do not plan on thinking of him as part of the Giants offense going forward for this season.
Good point. It isn't like the Giants are being super cautious with him--wait...
RE: the comments on hertzlich found here since he joined the Giants are
a perfect example of "mob" mentality. hertzlich was a favorite the great BC backer who was unassailable. any comments about his gait, speed, or decision making were met for two years by a total board defense and frequently by a personal attack on the poster.
now everyone is on line to throw shit at hertzlich without much objectivity either.
I agree he is a poor lb'er. I think no one my self included really grasps the subtle effects of chemotherapy on brain and nerve function. most go unnoticed in plain old people, but I think the effect on the cns of a pro athelete are devastating to that extra ability they have.
I think it makes little sense and its unkind to harp on his deficiencies. the coaches will do what they think is best for the team
Herz was unassailable as a prospect before he got cancer. I think its obvious that as a prospect the treatment took a irreversible toll on his body.
what he has accomplished off the field. His play on the field is something else. He was not even close to the player he was supposed to cover. His back was turned and he was running away from his guy. Wasn't even close.
or any of the other BBI Drs have any general comments about the re-injury risk of OBJ's hamstring, given it has been problemmatic for months?
I fully understand they haven't examined him and haven't had access to any medical data, but does the Giants behavior suggest:
1) They weren't initially being cautious and they now are?
2) They were initially being cautious, a set back occurred, and they are still being appropriately cautious?
3) They were being cautious, had an unexpected set back and are now being extra / over cautious?
Finally, is there any reasonable likelihood that the amount of time OBJ has been able to rest the hamstring will significantly reduce the re-injury risk, or will it (as I suspect) be a game-to-game / play-by-play crapshoot for the rest of the season?
RE: the comments on hertzlich found here since he joined the Giants are
a perfect example of "mob" mentality. hertzlich was a favorite the great BC backer who was unassailable. any comments about his gait, speed, or decision making were met for two years by a total board defense and frequently by a personal attack on the poster.
now everyone is on line to throw shit at hertzlich without much objectivity either.
I agree he is a poor lb'er. I think no one my self included really grasps the subtle effects of chemotherapy on brain and nerve function. most go unnoticed in plain old people, but I think the effect on the cns of a pro athelete are devastating to that extra ability they have.
I think it makes little sense and its unkind to harp on his deficiencies. the coaches will do what they think is best for the team
Love the man and the desire, be he can't play LB in the NFL. I would be fairly shocked if Giant coaches put him back on the field with the outcome of a game still in question.
is that he's pretty good on Specials. Which makes him a reserve LB who only plays Specials unless there's an injury and unfortunately there is one now.
I tend to not spend time blasting him because of his great story and then also because he's a back up.
is that he's pretty good on Specials. Which makes him a reserve LB who only plays Specials unless there's an injury and unfortunately there is one now.
they give ODB shorter routes that would be less likely to re aggravate it but its not an exact science. key is for him to take it slow and not come out too fired up to prove something and re injure it.
if there is still talk of him 'managing' his injury after nearly four months of rest you can stick a fork in this dude. I think the Giants might as well tell him to suit up and give it everything he has to maybe get a single play out of the NUMBER 12 PICK in the draft. Then he can go directly to IR and rest another eight months and maybe, possibly, perhaps, be healthy enough to actually play next preseason.
Thanks for clearing that up for any of us idiots that think he might actually contribute this year. I will now follow Dante's lead and "Abandon All Hope".
PS. Are there any other players you think we should write off for this year? Beason? Schwartz? Kennard? Beatty? Oh wait, he has come back and played well. Prince? Oh, he has come back and played well. JPP? He has come back and played well.
is that he's pretty good on Specials. Which makes him a reserve LB who only plays Specials unless there's an injury and unfortunately there is one now.
I tend to not spend time blasting him because of his great story and then also because he's a back up.
I agree that Herzlich plays great on STs. But Fox really impressed me on specials since he's come onto the roster. So if Fox has more upside as a player I'd keep him vs. Herzlich if that was the choice. Of course, I'd likely cut Brown or Brewer as quickly as I would either of the LBs.
No reason to rush Beckham, Id rather they take their time.
The offense is humming and hamstrings are very easy to re-aggravate. To say nothing of the fact that he's had little to no practice time and doesn't know the O. Let him practice for a few weeks at 100% with no setbacks before they put him on the field.
Kennard did not do anything with team...was on side
All Tom Coughlin would say is that Odell Beckham did 'a little bit' more on Monday #giants
TC says beason seemed to be ok ..did a little bit...Kennard not bad, getting better, hoping for soon
So painful to watch
He would at least occupy a blocker or re-route a play every now and then.
Seriously.
They don't have to make a move until next week, but my guess is that Talley or Fox goes back to the PS...that is, if the Giants don't decide to cut him.
Odell Beckham says he plans to practice Wednesday, practice full Thursday and believes he is ready to play Sunday.
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I feel like he is way better playing MLB then OLB. Sucks that Beason can't play outside.
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Why isn't Paysinger playing? Didn't he play during the preseason?
At WR, I think Talley stays even after Beckham is fully cleared. Six WRs is the normal roster allocation to the position.
When Schwartz returns, an offensive lineman will go. Reynolds seems the most likely victim. I'm not sure whether Snyder's salary is guaranteed for the year; I think it is, because he signed before the first game, and I don't think he has received termination pay before. In any case, it's hard to know where the last couple of backup linemen stand, because we only see them in garbage time. The holding penalty on Thursday probably didn't help Mosley's cause, but I don't see him getting cut.
Rookie LB Devon Kennard (hamstring) did not practice today but says the plan is for him to practice Wednesday. Says he's ready to play.
Rookie LB Devon Kennard (hamstring) did not practice today but says the plan is for him to practice Wednesday. Says he's ready to play.
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How so? they are all seem positive to me...al say he is going to practice wednesday fully...
Hope that scenario does not play out. But until I see several quarters of full speed football, I do not plan on thinking of him as part of the Giants offense going forward for this season.
Hope he holds onto the ball.
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I'll miss him running away from wide open RBs with his back turned to the line.
So painful to watch
To say the least. That is the type of play that should get a guy cut. No excuse for that at this point.
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I'll miss him running away from wide open RBs with his back turned to the line.
So painful to watch
To say the least. That is the type of play that should get a guy cut. No excuse for that at this point.
I've been trying to find a video on-line of the play. I don't want to be a Debbie Downer after a win like that but if I'm an opposing O-coordinator I'm calling for tons of passes out of the backfield against the Giants if Herzlich is on the field.
YUP
Hope he holds onto the ball.
I hope he's ready.
Dont forget what happened to our last first round pick that got the ball in his hands.
now everyone is on line to throw shit at hertzlich without much objectivity either.
I agree he is a poor lb'er. I think no one my self included really grasps the subtle effects of chemotherapy on brain and nerve function. most go unnoticed in plain old people, but I think the effect on the cns of a pro athelete are devastating to that extra ability they have.
I think it makes little sense and its unkind to harp on his deficiencies. the coaches will do what they think is best for the team
Hope that scenario does not play out. But until I see several quarters of full speed football, I do not plan on thinking of him as part of the Giants offense going forward for this season.
now everyone is on line to throw shit at hertzlich without much objectivity either.
I agree he is a poor lb'er. I think no one my self included really grasps the subtle effects of chemotherapy on brain and nerve function. most go unnoticed in plain old people, but I think the effect on the cns of a pro athelete are devastating to that extra ability they have.
I think it makes little sense and its unkind to harp on his deficiencies. the coaches will do what they think is best for the team
Herz was unassailable as a prospect before he got cancer. I think its obvious that as a prospect the treatment took a irreversible toll on his body.
After the first few games I was thinking this offense isn't going anywhere without Beckham contributing. Even if just to get defenders off Cruz.
Swapping Jernigan for Parker and Donnell's great catching has made the offense better than I thought possible w/o a decent X receiver.
It will be great to have Beckham out there.
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Good point. It isn't like the Giants are being super cautious with him--wait...
After the first few games I was thinking this offense isn't going anywhere without Beckham contributing. Even if just to get defenders off Cruz.
Swapping Jernigan for Parker and Donnell's great catching has made the offense better than I thought possible w/o a decent X receiver.
It will be great to have Beckham out there.
I fully understand they haven't examined him and haven't had access to any medical data, but does the Giants behavior suggest:
1) They weren't initially being cautious and they now are?
2) They were initially being cautious, a set back occurred, and they are still being appropriately cautious?
3) They were being cautious, had an unexpected set back and are now being extra / over cautious?
Finally, is there any reasonable likelihood that the amount of time OBJ has been able to rest the hamstring will significantly reduce the re-injury risk, or will it (as I suspect) be a game-to-game / play-by-play crapshoot for the rest of the season?
now everyone is on line to throw shit at hertzlich without much objectivity either.
I agree he is a poor lb'er. I think no one my self included really grasps the subtle effects of chemotherapy on brain and nerve function. most go unnoticed in plain old people, but I think the effect on the cns of a pro athelete are devastating to that extra ability they have.
I think it makes little sense and its unkind to harp on his deficiencies. the coaches will do what they think is best for the team
Love the man and the desire, be he can't play LB in the NFL. I would be fairly shocked if Giant coaches put him back on the field with the outcome of a game still in question.
I tend to not spend time blasting him because of his great story and then also because he's a back up.
best way to develop a weak 53-man roster...
PS. Are there any other players you think we should write off for this year? Beason? Schwartz? Kennard? Beatty? Oh wait, he has come back and played well. Prince? Oh, he has come back and played well. JPP? He has come back and played well.
I tend to not spend time blasting him because of his great story and then also because he's a back up.
I agree that Herzlich plays great on STs. But Fox really impressed me on specials since he's come onto the roster. So if Fox has more upside as a player I'd keep him vs. Herzlich if that was the choice. Of course, I'd likely cut Brown or Brewer as quickly as I would either of the LBs.