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Defenderdawg : 9/29/2014 2:23 pm
"Pro Football Focus currently grades him as the No. 1 tackle in the NFL, ahead of Tyron Smith and Jason Peters..."
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Pffffff it's PFF  
chris r : 9/29/2014 2:25 pm : link
But seriously, beatty's rebound has been huge.
The season hinges  
Randy in CT : 9/29/2014 2:28 pm : link
on this staying that way, IMO. Good for Beatty!
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rdt288 : 9/29/2014 2:29 pm : link
Never as good or as bad as it appears.
If this holds up...  
manh george : 9/29/2014 2:30 pm : link
it's at least as big a story as Donnell and Eli, imo. The turnaround almost no one outside the Giants organization expected.
I feel like the entire line must have started juicing  
bradshaw44 : 9/29/2014 2:32 pm : link
after week 2. Their play has been outstanding. Above average to say the least.
His effort in the run game...  
Ryan : 9/29/2014 2:33 pm : link
...has been drastically improved - he's made more hustle plays blocking downfield in 2 weeks than I can recall in the last 2 years. That being said his technique in pass protection is still hit an miss but mitigated by how quickly the ball comes out. When we get to the middle of this schedule and play some backfields that are going to really challenge out receivers, and Eli may be forced to hold the ball a little longer, I'm concerned some of the shine will come off what has otherwise been a solid turnaround (that being said I don't think he's the only one who's reaping that same benefit).
Rdt agree  
Beer Man : 9/29/2014 2:34 pm : link
he looked hideous in the Lions game
people love scapegoats  
UConn4523 : 9/29/2014 2:34 pm : link
the entire team was brutal last year. Singling Beatty was always dumb.
the same Lion's game  
UConn4523 : 9/29/2014 2:34 pm : link
that was his first back from breaking his leg? Come on people...
he's been a pleasant surprise so far  
Victor in CT : 9/29/2014 2:41 pm : link
he's really worked hard, and to get healthy, the get in in game condition while learning a new offense at the same time is impressive. I have to tip my hat to him.
Would be interesting to see  
Deej : 9/29/2014 2:41 pm : link
how much of the improvement in OL play on passing downs can be attributed to Eli getting the ball out faster in with this new WCO offense.
Beatty  
stretch234 : 9/29/2014 2:42 pm : link
Some people here would rather Beatty be shitty just so they could say I told you so with regards to him and Reese
RE: Would be interesting to see  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/29/2014 2:42 pm : link
In comment 11890065 Deej said:
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how much of the improvement in OL play on passing downs can be attributed to Eli getting the ball out faster in with this new WCO offense.


Eli this season through 4 games is releasing the ball in 2.21 seconds, which is 3rd in the NFL behind Peyton Manning and Andy Dalton.
In 2013  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/29/2014 2:43 pm : link
Eli released the ball in 2.65 seconds.
RE: people love scapegoats  
chris r : 9/29/2014 2:43 pm : link
In comment 11890060 UConn4523 said:
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the entire team was brutal last year. Singling Beatty was always dumb.


Because other players played poorly, Beatty's poor play shouldn't be brought up?

And no one played as poorly as Beatty who was also in their physical prime and once a good player. His decline was astonishing.
^^^^ this...  
JCin332 : 9/29/2014 2:44 pm : link
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Singling out Beatty wasn't dumb.  
manh george : 9/29/2014 2:44 pm : link
We had massive amounts under the salary cap committed to him, and there was a real risk that he would ultimately have to be replaced by a new, very high draft choice or cap allocation on a veteran.

The rebound to this level (whatever the level is) was never a given.
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arcarsenal : 9/29/2014 2:44 pm : link
Beatty had certainly struggled but I thought the people who were ready to give up on him were nuts.
RE: RE: people love scapegoats  
montanagiant : 9/29/2014 2:45 pm : link
In comment 11890072 chris r said:
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In comment 11890060 UConn4523 said:


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the entire team was brutal last year. Singling Beatty was always dumb.



Because other players played poorly, Beatty's poor play shouldn't be brought up?

And no one played as poorly as Beatty who was also in their physical prime and once a good player. His decline was astonishing.

Except maybe Nicks also
RE: Would be interesting to see  
njm : 9/29/2014 2:45 pm : link
In comment 11890065 Deej said:
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how much of the improvement in OL play on passing downs can be attributed to Eli getting the ball out faster in with this new WCO offense.


Also, how much can be attributed to the fact that these guys now have 7-8 games playing together as a unit.
that was to Chicago not radar..  
JCin332 : 9/29/2014 2:46 pm : link
..
In week 2  
sshin05 : 9/29/2014 2:48 pm : link
the giants offense was noticeably better. They've gotten better and better as the season has gone along. Offensive line is the big reason why.
RE: RE: people love scapegoats  
UConn4523 : 9/29/2014 2:48 pm : link
In comment 11890072 chris r said:
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In comment 11890060 UConn4523 said:


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the entire team was brutal last year. Singling Beatty was always dumb.



Because other players played poorly, Beatty's poor play shouldn't be brought up?

And no one played as poorly as Beatty who was also in their physical prime and once a good player. His decline was astonishing.


Nope, not at all actually. Feel free to bring it up all you want, I don't care. But as another poster above stated, some people would rather he fail just to be right. I'm guessing you may be one of them.
Beatty has always hustled  
Reale01 : 9/29/2014 2:54 pm : link
He got hurt on a hustle play. His power and toughness were average in the past. Last year his technique fell apart. This year he looks to be both stronger and tougher. His pass blocking technique is improving, but not where it was in 2012. He will be fine if he stays healthy. He is good at riding his man behind the QB. Last year that did not work because Eli had to drop back further due to the surge that came up the middle on almost EVERY play. When he tried to adjust people beat him to the inside. Solidifying the middle of the line has made a huge difference. Beatty can take away the inside rush via leverage and is fast enough to react to the outside rush and push his man wide. Eli has not dropped as deep and Beatty has looked better.
What annoyed the shit out of me  
Big Blue '56 : 9/29/2014 3:01 pm : link
was the absolute certainty by a bunch on here that Beatty would be a repeat of last year performance-wise..He had injury issues last year..My question to those people effectively was, "why can't he be the 2012 version?"

Now (and yes, there's a long way to go), it's a lame, "wow, didn't expect this." When you're so damn adament, of course younwon't expect anything of this sort..
Beatty rebounding is much bigger than most people understand.  
Jay on the Island : 9/29/2014 3:04 pm : link
Had he struggled like last season OT would most likely be our biggest need during the offseason. When you consider that JPP is a free agent and in the unlikely event that he leaves via free agency DE is a huge need with Kiwi also an UFA to go along with DT, LB, WR, TE, S (with Rolle a free agent), and CB (with Thurmond and Bowman UFA and McBride and Prince in the final years of their deals. .
Beatty was injured during the 2013 season?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/29/2014 3:04 pm : link
I don't recall that, other than the injury on the last week of the season of course...
RE: In 2013  
Down With JPP : 9/29/2014 3:05 pm : link
In comment 11890071 BigBlueinChicago said:
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Eli released the ball in 2.65 seconds.


Where did you get these stats? I couldn't find it after trying to search for it
RE: What annoyed the shit out of me  
UConn4523 : 9/29/2014 3:05 pm : link
In comment 11890104 Big Blue '56 said:
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was the absolute certainty by a bunch on here that Beatty would be a repeat of last year performance-wise..He had injury issues last year..My question to those people effectively was, "why can't he be the 2012 version?"

Now (and yes, there's a long way to go), it's a lame, "wow, didn't expect this." When you're so damn adament, of course younwon't expect anything of this sort..


Its easier to be miserable. That's what I learn each day on this board. Most of the time I ignore it but the Beatty stuff is a perfect example.
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rdt288 : 9/29/2014 3:07 pm : link
I liked how he pulverized whoever picked off Eli
We have users here proclaming that the season is over in march  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/29/2014 3:07 pm : link
you just gotta learn to ignore the idiocy. If you believed BBI for everything you'd think the Giants are the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Nobody was right about the offensive line or the TEs.
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arcarsenal : 9/29/2014 3:12 pm : link
My biggest worry about Beatty was never even about ability. I worried about how much he wanted to be good. There have always been whispers about him not loving the game and not wanting it badly enough.
RE: What annoyed the shit out of me  
Curtis in VA : 9/29/2014 3:13 pm : link
In comment 11890104 Big Blue '56 said:
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was the absolute certainty by a bunch on here that Beatty would be a repeat of last year performance-wise..He had injury issues last year..My question to those people effectively was, "why can't he be the 2012 version?"

Now (and yes, there's a long way to go), it's a lame, "wow, didn't expect this." When you're so damn adament, of course younwon't expect anything of this sort..


My answer would have been that he's had to answer questions about his consistency and motivation since college. I think those are valid concerns. Its never been about if he can be a great player, but more how badly does he want to be one. I'm still waiting for him to finish out two productive seasons in a row. I don't think that is too much to ask of someone who is being paid close to $40 million over 5 years.
I'm still amazed how quickly Beatty came back  
mfsd : 9/29/2014 3:14 pm : link
from a broken leg...I was really worried about him physically being ready, it's great to be proven wrong about that
RE: We have users here proclaming that the season is over in march  
arcarsenal : 9/29/2014 3:17 pm : link
In comment 11890113 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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you just gotta learn to ignore the idiocy. If you believed BBI for everything you'd think the Giants are the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Nobody was right about the offensive line or the TEs.


I'd love to re-visit "the" season is over thread from April or whenever that was.
RE: RE: We have users here proclaming that the season is over in march  
Big Blue '56 : 9/29/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11890127 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11890113 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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you just gotta learn to ignore the idiocy. If you believed BBI for everything you'd think the Giants are the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Nobody was right about the offensive line or the TEs.



I'd love to re-visit "the" season is over thread from April or whenever that was.

Oh, we will! :)
Beatty  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/29/2014 3:25 pm : link
has two awesome tackles this year too.

He creamed Jonathan Joseph of the Texans and completely flattened the Redskin who caught the pass off the rebound.
RE: RE: Would be interesting to see  
dpinzow : 9/29/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11890068 BigBlueinChicago said:
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how much of the improvement in OL play on passing downs can be attributed to Eli getting the ball out faster in with this new WCO offense.



Eli this season through 4 games is releasing the ball in 2.21 seconds, which is 3rd in the NFL behind Peyton Manning and Andy Dalton.


The fact that he's releasing the ball almost as fast as his brother means he finally has an offense suited to him like his brother (I'm loving McAdoo's work)
And Beatty is becoming a pleasant surprise  
dpinzow : 9/29/2014 3:27 pm : link
because coming back from a leg break for an OL is incredibly hard
Refardless of what they say at PFF Beatty  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/29/2014 3:33 pm : link
Will NEVER be the best LT in the NFL.

I've been one of his harshest critics and the last two games he's been good to very good. And I for one am fucking over joyed that he's playing good because I want the Giants to win.

The moronic notion that most would rather be right than have one of our players play well is just that. So sit at home at feel all morally superior if it helps. I for one don't give a shit about being continually being wrong. These last two weeks and especially Thurssay night were well worth me being wrong that Beatty would continue to suck.

He may revert but I sure as shit hope not.
Will Beatty is number 11...  
BMac : 9/29/2014 3:36 pm : link
...on the list of left tackle cost-against-the-cap right now.

This URL is from Jenny Vrentas detailing each year of his deal. (I'm putting the URL for the list of Tackles as a bona fide link.)

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/full_breakdown_of_left_tackle.html

For all the wailing and moaning on here about how much he's costing the Giants, his actual numbers are hardsly out of line. In fact, given his performance in 2012 and now this year, are a relative bargain. I fail to see where he got an extraordinary amount of money considering other Tackle costs.
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Beatty might have completely flattened Keenan Robinson, the Redskin LB  
BlueLou : 9/29/2014 3:39 pm : link
who "picked off" Eli in the end zone, but he was really only the 3rd guy in on that tackle. Richburg and Jerry both got a piece of Keenan first but he just got away from them, or almost got away from them, when Beatty arrived to lower the boom.
RE: Refardless of what they say at PFF Beatty  
UConn4523 : 9/29/2014 3:42 pm : link
In comment 11890150 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Will NEVER be the best LT in the NFL.

I've been one of his harshest critics and the last two games he's been good to very good. And I for one am fucking over joyed that he's playing good because I want the Giants to win.

The moronic notion that most would rather be right than have one of our players play well is just that. So sit at home at feel all morally superior if it helps. I for one don't give a shit about being continually being wrong. These last two weeks and especially Thurssay night were well worth me being wrong that Beatty would continue to suck.

He may revert but I sure as shit hope not.


I assure you it has nothing to do with moral superiority. I know none of you in real life, and wouldn't really judge anyone except for the select few that go out of their way to be horrible people on here.

That said, if you go off of the posting activity of certain posters, negativity and rubbing it in your face go hand in hand. I don't do call outs, but plenty exist on here.
LauderdaleMatty  
Semipro Lineman : 9/29/2014 3:45 pm : link
If ESPN told you that Joe Blow, a light hitting shortstop, was leading the majors in batting average at the quarter mark would you would feel the need to loudy proclaim that joe blow isn't the best hitter in baseball? No, of course not because everyone would understand the context of joe blow being off to a great start doesn't mean he's now the best.

Now PFF stats and the more straight-forward batting average aren't a great comparison but the point remains the same.
RE: RE: We have users here proclaming that the season is over in march  
speedywheels : 9/29/2014 3:47 pm : link
In comment 11890127 arcarsenal said:
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you just gotta learn to ignore the idiocy. If you believed BBI for everything you'd think the Giants are the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Nobody was right about the offensive line or the TEs.



I'd love to re-visit "the" season is over thread from April or whenever that was.


Yep, that thread will definitely be entertaining to re-read...
The OL is a unit  
PatersonPlank : 9/29/2014 3:47 pm : link
I think Beatty's play is a combination of 1) his being healthy and 2) the Guard play next to him is much better. If hypothetically speaking you have four lousy lineman and 1 good one, the 1 good one likely would still look lousy. He is depending on the gaurd to do things and be in places, and if he's not then all hell breaks lose. Its sort of like blaming an Int on Eli when the WR runs a bad route.
RE: RE: We have users here proclaming that the season is over in march  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/29/2014 3:48 pm : link
In comment 11890127 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11890113 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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you just gotta learn to ignore the idiocy. If you believed BBI for everything you'd think the Giants are the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Nobody was right about the offensive line or the TEs.



I'd love to re-visit "the" season is over thread from April or whenever that was.


I've got it bookmarked.
I hope he's as good as Tyrone Smith  
WideRight : 9/29/2014 3:54 pm : link
I haven't seen it yet though
RE: I hope he's as good as Tyrone Smith  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/29/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 11890178 WideRight said:
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I haven't seen it yet though


Well, that's not going to happen, but it doesn't mean he can't have a nice, long career.
RE: I hope he's as good as Tyrone Smith  
Big Blue '56 : 9/29/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 11890178 WideRight said:
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I haven't seen it yet though


He just needs to be good most of the time, nothing more
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