Not shocking given the contract they gave him but the kind of no-mans land QB stuff that should have people ready to "move on" from Eli thinking twice.
wasn't very good at Florida State and isn't any good in the pros. I don't see much potential with him at all, they made a poor pick imo. I don't see the harm in sticking with him if your backup is Kyle Orton, but I'd be shocked if he turned into even a decent QB
wasn't very good at Florida State and isn't any good in the pros. I don't see much potential with him at all, they made a poor pick imo. I don't see the harm in sticking with him if your backup is Kyle Orton, but I'd be shocked if he turned into even a decent QB
Possible but they traded up for him last year and he's had 14 starts in the league. You've got to give him at least the rest of this year before you bail on him
a team like the Bills, nothing worse than a retread QB. It's one thing if a contending team has an injury and has to go with an Orton but yuck on a rebuilding team going with an Orton.
Is Orton going to take them to the SB? If not, why not stay with Manuel for the year? At least that way you know if you need to draft another QB or not.
Can't believe it, they are trading in their future for a journeyman
Can't win without decent QB play. Bet the coach now wishes he had drafted his own guy from Syracuse, Nassib.
Thankfully we weren't that impatient with Eli because there were times early in his career where he made EJ look like a world beater. You've got to give your QB 2 years to see if he can cut it or not
doubt they're giving up on Manuel, just that Orton right now gives them the best chance to win. Manuel hasn't played well, but it's only his second season. Lots of good QBs struggle for the first few years as they adjust to the NFL. That doesn't mean that Manuel shouldn't be benched right now, only that it's probably not a sign they've given up on him.
58% completion, 210 YPG, 5 TDs passing / 3 INTs, another TD running ... 2-2 overall record
I get that rotoworld has had a hard-on for the guy since preseason ("when [15-yr teenager] looks at the tape he sees..." LOL) but personally i dont see how this move makes Buffalo better.
With that said, they are going to Detroit this sunday so maybe the plan is to just get Orton injured. Detroit will be my 'Knockout Pool' pick of the week this sunday (Since Bridgewater will apparently start for Minny on Thursday night)
Can't win without decent QB play. Bet the coach now wishes he had drafted his own guy from Syracuse, Nassib.
Bet that based on what exactly? Nassib is a nothing, to this point, in the NFL. There is no reason for anyone to regret taking another QB over him in that draft at this point (taking a QB in the first round at all that draft, however, is an understandable regret).
Anyway, this is stupid by even Bills standards. Manuel should have been given this year, no matter how ugly, after the investment in him and where that team currently is.
of pressure (whether logical or not) for the Bills to at least be a 7-9/8-8 type of team this year because they surrendered their first round pick to get Watkins.
I'm sure Manual will get another chance down the line (it's only his second year) but if Orton is the better QB today, then how can we blame Buffalo for going with the best guy when they are 2-2 and there's still a full season ahead?
of pressure (whether logical or not) for the Bills to at least be a 7-9/8-8 type of team this year because they surrendered their first round pick to get Watkins.
I'm sure Manual will get another chance down the line (it's only his second year) but if Orton is the better QB today, then how can we blame Buffalo for going with the best guy when they are 2-2 and there's still a full season ahead?
The fact that they actually think Kyle Orton is a better QB shows you why they're the Bills
of his passes to RBs. Fred Jackson is their leading receiver. He has been having trouble with accuracy downfield.
The Bills have a pretty good team except at QB. I don't know that Orton is the answer, however.
Manuel is a very good athlete, but, as Tennessee is finding out, it is really tough to fix a guy who was really inaccurate in college. I mean, even Tim Tebow completed 70% of his passes at Florida!
Bad decisions compiled with wild inaccuracy aren't the makings of a longtime NFL QB.
RE: Unless they feel like they can make a run, why do it?
Is Orton going to take them to the SB? If not, why not stay with Manuel for the year? At least that way you know if you need to draft another QB or not.
Good point. I think this is the first year since the first Brady SB(not counting the 11-5 2008 record where they missed the playoffs with Cassel) that the division can be had. So in that sense, the move to Orton might be the correct choice this season
I haven't watched a Bills game this year so I can only go with what I've heard. That being said I still disagree with the move based on what I said above.
Seen every game. He's been missing wide open receivers and generally very inaccurate with his downfield throws. His high completion % is from him dumping off to his RBs and short crossing patterns to his WRs. It's actually not a bad offensive scheme and if they had a QB who could make some medium range passes, it would be prolific.
If only the Bills' HC had another QB that was available
...and rookie salaries. There's just not the same financial investment in a young QB anymore, so teams don't feel the need to wait out a pick. To put it another way, these days no one is saying we've already given the kid a $30 million signing bonus, we have to give him more time to see if he pans out.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the way it will be. Especially when a new regime takes over.
are in a bad spot with the change in ownership and no commitment for next season. I think Doug is pulling EJ early for that reason. Otherwise there is no excuse for this move.
7-9 could win the division. Orton might be good enough for that. maybe that's all they're going for.
New England is going to win at least 10 and they're going to get their issues sorted
dp, not so sure this year. Normally I'd agree..Don't know what's going on with Brady, but I don't know if he's averaging even 6 YPA..Don't think that's ever been close to happening the first 4 games of any season he's been the starter..
They could easily be 0-3...I think this is the first year the AFC East is there for the taking since Brady's first SB
There's this myth that's been going around for years that you can't bench a young QB without losing him or obliterating his confidence for all time. It's simply not true.
If the bills feel that orton can give them better QB play right now, they should start him now. Manuel will get his chance another day.
I can rattle off close to a dozen hof qbs that we're benched early on in their career. Another dozen quality qbs that were benched early and often.
There's this myth that's been going around for years that you can't bench a young QB without losing him or obliterating his confidence for all time. It's simply not true.
If the bills feel that orton can give them better QB play right now, they should start him now. Manuel will get his chance another day.
I can rattle off close to a dozen hof qbs that we're benched early on in their career. Another dozen quality qbs that were benched early and often.
why is it short sighted? IF someone told you that Orton gave the team a better chance to win right this moment and the team has talent to get to the playoffs, you wouldn't start Orton?
It's one thing if the young QB does some things well enough to validate starting him over the vet and/or the team isn't really built to win right now anyway. See Eli and 2004 for example. Warner was probably still the safer option but he held the ball too long and the 04 Giants weren't winning 9 games that year anyway. That team was very short on talent by the time 5-4 rolled around.
The Bills aren't half bad on paper. The young QB is KILLING them right now. If you're the coach and you are convinced that Orton is the better player, you should start Orton. The kid sucks right now. ORton isn't terrible and the team has talent. ORton could be the difference between 10 wins and 6 wins, especially in that division...
The only way the Bills "lose" Manuel is if he is a sucky QB or the Bills out think themselves and either trade him or bench him forever. QBs bounce back if they have the goods.
I still think that team shits the bed with Eli or Warner behind center. But was just making a point that maybe Warner was somewhat more reliable during that period. It's up for debate. Eli at least got rid of the ball unlike Warner...
maybe I am wrong and Manuel isn't playing that badly? I only watched a some of his games -- he didn't look good but his numbers don't look terrible. HE must be doing something wrong...
This is a ridiculous move. Its not like Orton will be any better and I believe it will hurt the development and psyche of EJ. Its not like they are competing for anything.
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Possible but they traded up for him last year and he's had 14 starts in the league. You've got to give him at least the rest of this year before you bail on him
Must be pretty sucky...
Thankfully we weren't that impatient with Eli because there were times early in his career where he made EJ look like a world beater. You've got to give your QB 2 years to see if he can cut it or not
I get that rotoworld has had a hard-on for the guy since preseason ("when [15-yr teenager] looks at the tape he sees..." LOL) but personally i dont see how this move makes Buffalo better.
With that said, they are going to Detroit this sunday so maybe the plan is to just get Orton injured. Detroit will be my 'Knockout Pool' pick of the week this sunday (Since Bridgewater will apparently start for Minny on Thursday night)
Bet that based on what exactly? Nassib is a nothing, to this point, in the NFL. There is no reason for anyone to regret taking another QB over him in that draft at this point (taking a QB in the first round at all that draft, however, is an understandable regret).
Anyway, this is stupid by even Bills standards. Manuel should have been given this year, no matter how ugly, after the investment in him and where that team currently is.
I'm sure Manual will get another chance down the line (it's only his second year) but if Orton is the better QB today, then how can we blame Buffalo for going with the best guy when they are 2-2 and there's still a full season ahead?
I'm sure Manual will get another chance down the line (it's only his second year) but if Orton is the better QB today, then how can we blame Buffalo for going with the best guy when they are 2-2 and there's still a full season ahead?
The fact that they actually think Kyle Orton is a better QB shows you why they're the Bills
The Bills have a pretty good team except at QB. I don't know that Orton is the answer, however.
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He should start for the giants now.
Bad decisions compiled with wild inaccuracy aren't the makings of a longtime NFL QB.
Good point. I think this is the first year since the first Brady SB(not counting the 11-5 2008 record where they missed the playoffs with Cassel) that the division can be had. So in that sense, the move to Orton might be the correct choice this season
If his receiver hadn't been contacted illegally he would have been in a position to make a play on the ball.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the way it will be. Especially when a new regime takes over.
New England is going to win at least 10 and they're going to get their issues sorted
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7-9 could win the division. Orton might be good enough for that. maybe that's all they're going for.
New England is going to win at least 10 and they're going to get their issues sorted
dp, not so sure this year. Normally I'd agree..Don't know what's going on with Brady, but I don't know if he's averaging even 6 YPA..Don't think that's ever been close to happening the first 4 games of any season he's been the starter..
They could easily be 0-3...I think this is the first year the AFC East is there for the taking since Brady's first SB
If the bills feel that orton can give them better QB play right now, they should start him now. Manuel will get his chance another day.
I can rattle off close to a dozen hof qbs that we're benched early on in their career. Another dozen quality qbs that were benched early and often.
If the bills feel that orton can give them better QB play right now, they should start him now. Manuel will get his chance another day.
I can rattle off close to a dozen hof qbs that we're benched early on in their career. Another dozen quality qbs that were benched early and often.
That is called Geno's Myth
dumb move to bench him this early in his career... very short-sighted but as Retro points out, coaches in bad position...
Count me with those that think Marrone is at least wondering if it wouldn't have been better to draft Nassib in the third round.
It's one thing if the young QB does some things well enough to validate starting him over the vet and/or the team isn't really built to win right now anyway. See Eli and 2004 for example. Warner was probably still the safer option but he held the ball too long and the 04 Giants weren't winning 9 games that year anyway. That team was very short on talent by the time 5-4 rolled around.
The Bills aren't half bad on paper. The young QB is KILLING them right now. If you're the coach and you are convinced that Orton is the better player, you should start Orton. The kid sucks right now. ORton isn't terrible and the team has talent. ORton could be the difference between 10 wins and 6 wins, especially in that division...
The only way the Bills "lose" Manuel is if he is a sucky QB or the Bills out think themselves and either trade him or bench him forever. QBs bounce back if they have the goods.
The Bills may be held back by the QB. Why is it so horrific to bench the kid if he sucks right now? Contrary to myth, you can go back to him later.