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nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 9:36 am
Need help deciding...
.5 ppr

I git offered graham Cruz and vereen for lynch and Donnel

My team would then be

Rivers jennings vereen dez keenan allen cruz graham
comes down to Donnell  
UConn4523 : 9/30/2014 9:38 am : link
and whether you think he can sustain 75% of his catches (not TD's as this will likely greatly decrease). I'd probably stand pat since you have Dez already and Allen just had a big game.
I would do it and  
dep026 : 9/30/2014 9:38 am : link
not think twice. You have 3 great PPR guys.

My question is do I need to start two of the following 3. Patterson, Royal, Foster.
RE: comes down to Donnell  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 9:42 am : link
In comment 11891179 UConn4523 said:
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and whether you think he can sustain 75% of his catches (not TD's as this will likely greatly decrease). I'd probably stand pat since you have Dez already and Allen just had a big game.


That's what I was thinking..just wanted some others ...thanks guys
RE: I would do it and  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 9:43 am : link
In comment 11891180 dep026 said:
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not think twice. You have 3 great PPR guys.

My question is do I need to start two of the following 3. Patterson, Royal, Foster.


Royal and foster
But if Vereen  
dep026 : 9/30/2014 9:44 am : link
is going to be used like he was last night, his value skyrockets. I think Graham and Cruz could be 1,200 yard WRs with close to 10 TDs.

Lynch will slow down as well.
RE: But if Vereen  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 9:48 am : link
In comment 11891190 dep026 said:
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is going to be used like he was last night, his value skyrockets. I think Graham and Cruz could be 1,200 yard WRs with close to 10 TDs.

Lynch will slow down as well.


Yeah its just hard to give up the stud rb

Plus I'm worried the saints are about to implode...graham is a beast but if donnel continues to give me 12-15 ppg is it worth it?
that's the thing  
UConn4523 : 9/30/2014 9:59 am : link
Its a no brainer at face value, but only if you think Graham will blowout Donnell. I'd say its likely that Donnell doesn't keep doing what he's doing and Graham does, but then its on Vereen. He could be great if that offense turns around, but right now it looks like a huge IF. He had his best game of the season yesterday, IIRC, and he still only got 9 points or so in a .5 PPR.

You do get Cruz though, so maybe that's worth it to you. I don't know, i guess it is closer than I originally thought.
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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 10:04 am : link
I think Donnell's FF value is real. He's obviously not scoring 3x a game but I think he's going to get plenty of targets and put up pts.
who's currently your #3 WR and #3RB?  
UConn4523 : 9/30/2014 10:10 am : link
that would be the difference maker...
RE: who's currently your #3 WR and #3RB?  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 10:17 am : link
In comment 11891237 UConn4523 said:
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that would be the difference maker...


Allen Robinson and wheaton are my 3 and 4 wr and My number 3 RB is Donald Brown...

Which is anothe rreason i am hesitant...
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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 10:22 am : link
One guy in my league is fucking loaded at WR and his QB's aren't great.. he has Cutler and Ben... his WR's are Dez, Benjamin, VJax, Garcon, Harvin, Randle, Matthews and he even has Gordon stashed. I'm thinking about offering him Brees but I don't know who I should try to get in exchange. I know he won't do Dez for Brees straight up but I feel like Benjamin for Brees isn't enough.
Arc i dont think Benjamin is enough either  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 10:32 am : link
thats tough...its still drew brees and that saints offense is not going to be bad all year...

I think i am pulling the trigger on my trade...I think i am getting great value for Lynch and my receivers become stacked...hopefully vereen continues to be the main RB in New England
arc  
UConn4523 : 9/30/2014 10:36 am : link
i'm in the same boat as your league.

I have Brady/Cousins with Anotnio Brown, Jeffrey, Benjamin, and Michael Floyd at WR. I'm stacked there.

I'd trade Benjamin for Brees in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't want to be on the Benjamin side as it isnt enough. I also wouldn't trade Antonio Brown for Brees so there's the conundrum.

And with Marshall hurt, I may not trade Jeffrey for Brees either.
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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 10:37 am : link
I would make the trade you were offered, personally.

I'm 1-3 but I'm in 6th place.. I'm 4th in points for. Maybe my team is fine and I should just let the record correct itself. I am getting Tate back, I have Forte and Miller.. I have both Julius Thomas and Donnell so I could be stacked at TE if LD is for real. I just hate starting Kendall Wright as my WR3 every week. That Titan offense is garbage.

Marvin Jones is a FA and he's expected to come back for Week 5.. worth a pickup?
RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11891284 UConn4523 said:
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i'm in the same boat as your league.

I have Brady/Cousins with Anotnio Brown, Jeffrey, Benjamin, and Michael Floyd at WR. I'm stacked there.

I'd trade Benjamin for Brees in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't want to be on the Benjamin side as it isnt enough. I also wouldn't trade Antonio Brown for Brees so there's the conundrum.

And with Marshall hurt, I may not trade Jeffrey for Brees either.


The guy who has Brady has Brady and Foles.. I was thinking about offering him Brees for Jeffery. Problem is, he doesn't have a ton at WR beyond that so I don't know if he'd do it. And I wonder if Jeffery for Brees is even fair for me in the first place.
Arc the only problem i see with your team  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 10:43 am : link
is what happens to Mller when Moreno comes back? also can Tate stay healthy and Forte has not been able to get going yet except for week 1...

who is your other QB besides Brees?
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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 10:47 am : link
Forte rushed for like 125 yards Sunday and caught a few passes.. got me like 20 pts. I'm not worried about him. I just need one of Miller/Tate to produce for a bit. I do have Jeremy Hill who is becoming a bigger part of that O as well and will probably be passable as a plug and play.

Rivers is my other QB
'Marvin Jones is a FA and he's expected to come back for Week 5.. '  
schabadoo : 9/30/2014 10:49 am : link
Debating picking him up too. Very boom or bust, Sanu is in the mix, more of a run offense now...but he does have a nose for the end zone, and Green takes the tough coverage.

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nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 10:53 am : link
In comment 11891319 arcarsenal said:
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Forte rushed for like 125 yards Sunday and caught a few passes.. got me like 20 pts. I'm not worried about him. I just need one of Miller/Tate to produce for a bit. I do have Jeremy Hill who is becoming a bigger part of that O as well and will probably be passable as a plug and play.

Rivers is my other QB


My mistake then didnt realize Forte had that good of a game...

eah you are good with rivers...shop Brees around and see what the best offer you get is...dont be the one offering trades people will think your desperate let them come to you..just let it be known he can be had and see what you get..
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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 10:59 am : link
Yea, that's basically what I did.. said I would be willing to part with Brees for a WR1 but that I know I am selling a bit low on him and won't give him away. Hopefully someone gets desperate for a big QB upgrade. We shall see. Brees has only played 1 home game so far, though.. I think he's got some monster games on the horizon so holding him for now shouldn't kill me.
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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 11:01 am : link
Anyone think Jarius Wright will be worth anything? Bridgewater seemed to be looking for him constantly. Those 2 seemed to have legit chemistry.
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nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 11:03 am : link
In comment 11891354 arcarsenal said:
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Anyone think Jarius Wright will be worth anything? Bridgewater seemed to be looking for him constantly. Those 2 seemed to have legit chemistry.


I think there is always value in a guy who has good chemistry with a QB and the QB trusts BUT its hard to trust with a rookie Qb...

I think Allen Robinson has some good value with Cecil out and him and Bortles have good chemistry because they worked all preseason together...
Robinson was sidelined with a hammy most of the preseason  
YAJ2112 : 9/30/2014 11:05 am : link
so he wasn't working with anybody.
guy backed out of deal  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 11:08 am : link
after i said ok lets do it and started asking for me to put in Keenan Allen as well...i said fuck that..
Whats up  
BIG FRED : 9/30/2014 11:35 am : link
with Terrance West ,they said he is gonna be the 3rd back now .I know Tate will be back soon but has Crowell played that much better than West ? He was talked about big all training camp and actually got me some decent production..I also picked up Marvin Jones and dropped Gerhart ..Worth a shot
RE: .  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/30/2014 11:52 am : link
In comment 11891348 arcarsenal said:
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Yea, that's basically what I did.. said I would be willing to part with Brees for a WR1 but that I know I am selling a bit low on him and won't give him away. Hopefully someone gets desperate for a big QB upgrade. We shall see. Brees has only played 1 home game so far, though.. I think he's got some monster games on the horizon so holding him for now shouldn't kill me.


I am offering Edelman and Gore in a PPR league for Brees
Got this trade proposal  
Sonic Youth : 9/30/2014 11:59 am : link
PPR, 3 WRs, no flex.

I get:

LeSean McCoy
Donald Brown
Zach Ertz
Josh Gordon

He gets:
Jimmy Graham
Gio Bernard
Allen Hurns

I don't think I'm going to do this, mostly cause of Graham. I wanted to double check on your thoughts however... cause if LeSean turns it on and Ertz develops, I might benefit in the long run (my WRs suck).

Eagles O-line scares me. This deal probably won't go through, but again, double checking. The more I look at it, the worse it looks.
seems like a lateral move at best  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 12:04 pm : link
no reason to do it in my opinion...
Any  
Fish : 9/30/2014 12:07 pm : link
waiver wire gems you have your eyes on? McKinnon? Oliver?
Waiver wire is dry in my league  
pjcas18 : 9/30/2014 12:24 pm : link
1 claim processed at 12pm:

It was someone added Antone Smith and dropped Brian Hartline

My team is struggling, it's mostly matchups since I have the most points scored in the league, but I'm 1 - 3, I have by far the most points against. So do I make a move or try and ride it out. it's H2H, so points are almost irrelevant and this is where luck plays out.

I was offered Eddie Lacy and Brandin Cooks for Julio Jones. Would you do it?

It makes me better at RB, but obviously weakens WR. I'd start Cooks along with Cruz and Kennan Allen (or two of the three)

No i would not give up Julio Jones  
nygiants16 : 9/30/2014 12:26 pm : link
stick it out..i am in the same position i am 1-3 with the most points scored against...just ride it out it is not going to happen all season...
RE: .  
EricNY33 : 9/30/2014 1:03 pm : link
In comment 11891261 arcarsenal said:
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One guy in my league is fucking loaded at WR and his QB's aren't great.. he has Cutler and Ben... his WR's are Dez, Benjamin, VJax, Garcon, Harvin, Randle, Matthews and he even has Gordon stashed. I'm thinking about offering him Brees but I don't know who I should try to get in exchange. I know he won't do Dez for Brees straight up but I feel like Benjamin for Brees isn't enough.


Standard scoring league?
RE: Arc i dont think Benjamin is enough either  
EricNY33 : 9/30/2014 1:04 pm : link
In comment 11891278 nygiants16 said:
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thats tough...its still drew brees and that saints offense is not going to be bad all year...

I think i am pulling the trigger on my trade...I think i am getting great value for Lynch and my receivers become stacked...hopefully vereen continues to be the main RB in New England


I think it's pretty clear that Ridley is the main ball carrier and Vereen is their jack of all trades guy. In a PPR I think Vereen will eventually be great value.
I am trying to buy  
EricNY33 : 9/30/2014 1:16 pm : link
low on Eddie Lacy. I have offered someone Ben Tate, Julian Edelman, and Mike Evans for Lacy and Allen Hurns.

I am not optimistic but I am hoping Lacy's struggles will get the guy to bite.

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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 1:17 pm : link
In comment 11891652 EricNY33 said:
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One guy in my league is fucking loaded at WR and his QB's aren't great.. he has Cutler and Ben... his WR's are Dez, Benjamin, VJax, Garcon, Harvin, Randle, Matthews and he even has Gordon stashed. I'm thinking about offering him Brees but I don't know who I should try to get in exchange. I know he won't do Dez for Brees straight up but I feel like Benjamin for Brees isn't enough.



Standard scoring league?


.5 PPR, 6 points per pass TD
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EricNY33 : 9/30/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11891692 arcarsenal said:
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One guy in my league is fucking loaded at WR and his QB's aren't great.. he has Cutler and Ben... his WR's are Dez, Benjamin, VJax, Garcon, Harvin, Randle, Matthews and he even has Gordon stashed. I'm thinking about offering him Brees but I don't know who I should try to get in exchange. I know he won't do Dez for Brees straight up but I feel like Benjamin for Brees isn't enough.



Standard scoring league?



.5 PPR, 6 points per pass TD


then that's definitely not enough for Brees. I told you yesterday I am in the same boat in a league I have Brees and Rivers. I've put both of them on the block because some of these teams have terrible QB's, but nobody ever wants to give you fair value. The offers I am getting for both are comical.
RE: Got this trade proposal  
Sly Guy : 9/30/2014 1:30 pm : link
In comment 11891485 Sonic Youth said:
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PPR, 3 WRs, no flex.

I get:

LeSean McCoy
Donald Brown
Zach Ertz
Josh Gordon

He gets:
Jimmy Graham
Gio Bernard
Allen Hurns

I don't think I'm going to do this, mostly cause of Graham. I wanted to double check on your thoughts however... cause if LeSean turns it on and Ertz develops, I might benefit in the long run (my WRs suck).

Eagles O-line scares me. This deal probably won't go through, but again, double checking. The more I look at it, the worse it looks.


I saw this post and had to chime in.

Do not do this deal!

At best, Shady and Bernard should be a wash and Graham will continue to be a stud. Getting Gordon back at Week 12 is not worth giving up Graham now.

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arcarsenal : 9/30/2014 1:52 pm : link
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One guy in my league is fucking loaded at WR and his QB's aren't great.. he has Cutler and Ben... his WR's are Dez, Benjamin, VJax, Garcon, Harvin, Randle, Matthews and he even has Gordon stashed. I'm thinking about offering him Brees but I don't know who I should try to get in exchange. I know he won't do Dez for Brees straight up but I feel like Benjamin for Brees isn't enough.



Standard scoring league?



.5 PPR, 6 points per pass TD



then that's definitely not enough for Brees. I told you yesterday I am in the same boat in a league I have Brees and Rivers. I've put both of them on the block because some of these teams have terrible QB's, but nobody ever wants to give you fair value. The offers I am getting for both are comical.


The guy in last place is 0-4 and has Newton as his primary QB (forget who his backup is).. but he has Demaryuis AND AJ.. maybe I can pry AJ away from him. He's got to do something otherwise he's going to fall right out of it by Week 6.
I have serious RB issues  
Mr. Nickels : 9/30/2014 2:57 pm : link
i have Matt Asiata Lamar Miller Bernard Pierce Toby Gerhart

I want to pickup Crowell but not sure if i get him. I added him for one week and dropped him to try to complete a trade.

Asiata I am trying to sell high like crazy but maybe I am being foolish. Asiata has been great every game he played so far and I am getting an Alfred Morris/Zac Stacy vibe from him.

Remember everyone was harping on how Helu is the guy and hwo Daryl Richardson is the guy. But the powerback won out. Could that be the case? McKinnon isn't doing what he did week in and week out and people like him to take over but this year I think Asiata is the guy.

Or do i sell him high?

Lamar Miller had a big fantasy day could have been bigger if he didn't fumble. I am scared Moreno comes back and makes him an after thought. ESPN ranks him 16th ROS though. When is Moreno coming back and should I sell Lamar high?
(I will need him for week 6 if I don't trade him)

Bernard Pierce - Ravens rollercoaster. Everone was on Forsett then Pierce doubled his carries. Then got hurt. Then it's Taliaferro. Then Forsett again. Pierce was held out of the game due to his injury so he may just not be healthy but I am hearing he is still the guy so I can't cut him yet but I would be willing to move him.

Toby Gerhart - My only hope is he turns it around later in the season. He's my 2nd highest drafted RB and looking like an epic bust. Nobody wants him. Do I just cut him?
Just made a buddy of mine a trade offer...  
RC02XX : 9/30/2014 3:17 pm : link
Me: Calvin Johnson, Randall Cobb, and Gio Bernard
Him: Julio Jones, Percy Harvin, and Marshawn Lynch

Not a PPR league.

I think it's sort of a wash, but I'm just trying to liven up my ho-hum roster at this point.
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EricNY33 : 9/30/2014 3:21 pm : link
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One guy in my league is fucking loaded at WR and his QB's aren't great.. he has Cutler and Ben... his WR's are Dez, Benjamin, VJax, Garcon, Harvin, Randle, Matthews and he even has Gordon stashed. I'm thinking about offering him Brees but I don't know who I should try to get in exchange. I know he won't do Dez for Brees straight up but I feel like Benjamin for Brees isn't enough.



Standard scoring league?



.5 PPR, 6 points per pass TD



then that's definitely not enough for Brees. I told you yesterday I am in the same boat in a league I have Brees and Rivers. I've put both of them on the block because some of these teams have terrible QB's, but nobody ever wants to give you fair value. The offers I am getting for both are comical.



The guy in last place is 0-4 and has Newton as his primary QB (forget who his backup is).. but he has Demaryuis AND AJ.. maybe I can pry AJ away from him. He's got to do something otherwise he's going to fall right out of it by Week 6.


Yeah that seems like a fair move.
Curious about others thoughts on this debate  
GMenLTS : 9/30/2014 3:44 pm : link
2 people in one of my leagues sunday had illegal rosters. One guy forgot to start a D (and still won), and my brother tried to get a kicker on waivers sunday but my buddy outbid him and my brother didn't put any back up claims in so he was without a kicker. My brother ended up tying.

One buddy wants their to be a points penalty for having an illegal roster on gameday. One says there should be no penalty, not getting the points is penalty enough. Obviously my commish should have made sure we figured this out sooner but it's a new keeper league, sometimes kinks get worked out.


What does everyone else's leagues do for illegal rosters on gameday?
If there is no league  
pjcas18 : 9/30/2014 3:48 pm : link
setting that says you have to have a complete roster to compete then you can't change that now, IMO.

Some leagues say your roster is illegal if you don't have a D or a K and you automatically lose and get 0 points.

If you didn't set it up that way, I don't think you can after the fact impose a penalty.

Just my 2c.
What about this trade  
pjcas18 : 9/30/2014 3:53 pm : link
Julio Jones is my most valuable asset.

Would you trade

Julio Jones

for

Emmanuel Sanders
Eddie Lacy

RB is killing me and Sanders already had his bye.

My other WR's are Cruz, Keenan Allen, Percy Harvin, Ruben Randle, Jordan Matthews, James Jones

RB's are Forte, Vereen, Pierce, Tate, Hyde, and Blue
It depends on why they don't have a kicker or D/st  
Mr. Nickels : 9/30/2014 3:55 pm : link
Forgetting to set lineup or neglecting it is worse than purposefully not starting one.

One team had his whole team on bye week and his opponent had a horrible day. He has the Bengals D. He didn't bother to pick up a new D/st because he had his game easily won.

Now if you argue it gives unfair advantage because he should have dropped somebody different story but I see no problem with it.

One team switched their bye week D with the Falcons and got a -7. WOuld have been better not playing anyone.
Yea we use espn and the default just lets you not play someone  
GMenLTS : 9/30/2014 3:58 pm : link
and no penalty. Even though it doesn't happen often, I like having the option to take out a k or D if I already have the game won but it's close. Plus I agree with you that we can't change it now.

Looks like we're keeping it as it is I was just curious if anyone else had run across that issue.

That trade looks like good value I just hate Lacy.
RE: It depends on why they don't have a kicker or D/st  
GMenLTS : 9/30/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 11892059 Mr. Nickels said:
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Forgetting to set lineup or neglecting it is worse than purposefully not starting one.

One team had his whole team on bye week and his opponent had a horrible day. He has the Bengals D. He didn't bother to pick up a new D/st because he had his game easily won.

Now if you argue it gives unfair advantage because he should have dropped somebody different story but I see no problem with it.

One team switched their bye week D with the Falcons and got a -7. WOuld have been better not playing anyone.


Yep this happened to me too, I had bengal D and picked up ATL, I still won but it cost me winning 20 bucks for the weekly high points.
you should just fine an owner  
YAJ2112 : 9/30/2014 4:15 pm : link
each time they play a player who is on bye/out/leave a starting spot empty. Add the fine to the overall winner's prize.

That way you don't have to determine intent, and you incent owner's from neglecting their team.
Hey guys  
Knee of Theismann : 10/1/2014 10:58 am : link
I'm in a PPR league.

I have Arian Foster, Reggie Bush, and Montee Ball.

I also have Delanie Walker.

Should I start those 3 RBs as my RB1, RB2, and Flex? Or should I pick 2 (which 2?) of the RBs to play RB1 and RB2, then put in Walker as my flex?

Walker is just playing so damn well it is tough to pass up (by the way, Greg Olsen is my TE which is why I don't want Walker at TE).

Thanks guys.
Full point PPR  
Knee of Theismann : 10/1/2014 10:58 am : link
by the way.
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