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How will team start to scheme for Larry Donnell?

giantfanboy : 9/30/2014 1:22 pm
obviously Larry Donnell has been under the radar thus far this season
but 3 TDs games are hard to keep under the radar and
now it seems like all the NFL knows about him.

do you think larry donnell starts to see double teams ? especially in the red zone?
will he still be able to make plays ?

how will the Giants counter this?

just curious on everyone thoughts?
I suspect teams will try not to give him a free release off  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/30/2014 1:26 pm : link
the LOS so he will have to learn how to get their hands off him if he doesn't know already.

I would also suspect there are multiple things the Giants can do to offset such as putting him in motion, using bunch formations but basically he will have to learn to fight through it as most good tight ends do.
You can't stop LD.  
Randy in CT : 9/30/2014 1:27 pm : link
You can only hope to contain him.

Step off?
In general I think teams are going to dare the Giants to  
chris r : 9/30/2014 1:30 pm : link
Beat them deep.
If they double team him  
lester : 9/30/2014 1:32 pm : link
it will open things up for other guys in the passing game.
RE: In general I think teams are going to dare the Giants to  
Randy in CT : 9/30/2014 1:32 pm : link
In comment 11891716 chris r said:
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Beat them deep.
Let's see if OBJ is ready to roll.
As stated,  
Doomster : 9/30/2014 1:34 pm : link
under the radar until 3 tds caused a blip.....he will be given more attention....don't like some of the shots he has taken already, especially to the lower legs.....but basically, because of rule changes, that's how DB's now have to tackle......he will have to be more "aware" of where the defenders are.....
Easy Question  
FJ : 9/30/2014 1:37 pm : link
If teams start double-teaming Larry in the Red Zone, then Eli will just keep running for TDs.
RE: Easy Question  
Randy in CT : 9/30/2014 1:37 pm : link
In comment 11891729 FJ said:
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If teams start double-teaming Larry in the Red Zone, then Eli will just keep running for TDs.
You can't teach speed, baby!
RE: In general I think teams are going to dare the Giants to  
OC : 9/30/2014 1:44 pm : link
In comment 11891716 chris r said:
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Beat them deep.


Let'em. They don't think Cruz & Randle can get deep? Big mistake. Pump fakes & double moves would kill them, imo.
Add different formations  
AnishPatel : 9/30/2014 1:57 pm : link
and move people around. Bring him out of the backfield. We did the same with Cruz according to one of the beat writer articles.

I like how Ben M moves guys around within the formation.
Should mean more room for Cruz in the slot  
GiantJake : 9/30/2014 1:58 pm : link
Get Beckham going on the outside along with Randle and spread them out deep. Donnell will draw attention over the middle and down the seam. Should loosen things up for Cruz and also Jennings out of the backfield.
Donnell  
stretch234 : 9/30/2014 1:59 pm : link
Teams will have to figure who will give them more of a problem. Defenses know the issues Cruz presents, and he will still command the attention because of the bigger play threat.

Teams have such a hard time chipping anyone off the line and that is not going to stop

Continuing to run the ball will make it really hard on defenses

Atlanta's D is not worrisome
If  
SoZKillA : 9/30/2014 2:03 pm : link
We can run the ball on teams it doesn't matter how they scheme him.

RE: If they double team him  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/30/2014 2:08 pm : link
In comment 11891720 lester said:
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it will open things up for other guys in the passing game.


I don't think they will double team him. But as Mike said they'll put someone over him. It will open up the slot more(Cruz).
RE: If  
Arcanum : 9/30/2014 2:10 pm : link
In comment 11891787 SoZKillA said:
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We can run the ball on teams it doesn't matter how they scheme him.


Yup
Wait il th end of the season when he reveals  
j_rud : 9/30/2014 2:15 pm : link
that he's really Jonas Seawright after losing 60lbs.
by leaving Cruz and ODB wide open  
Giants11 : 9/30/2014 2:32 pm : link
Booyah!
RE: by leaving Cruz and ODB wide open  
Canton : 9/30/2014 2:37 pm : link
In comment 11891860 Giants11 said:
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Booyah!


It's OBJ not ODB
if teams start game planning for LD  
mfsd : 9/30/2014 2:45 pm : link
and doubling him, that plays right into our hands...let Cruz run free all day.

Or double them both and watch Fells or Robinson become the next Antonio Gates

Checkmate.
Robinson = Antonio Gates  
Jimmy Googs : 9/30/2014 2:48 pm : link
Funniest post = ever
Red Zone Thought:  
Trainmaster : 9/30/2014 2:50 pm : link
How about Washington split wide (for the fade) and Donnell in tight for the post? Two tall targets.

I think the biggest thing is  
BSIMatt : 9/30/2014 2:50 pm : link
they'll pay more attention to who they assign to cover him. I'd look at it no differently then how the Giants have tried to deal with tough TEs in the past.
He won't be completely ignored.  
Chip : 9/30/2014 3:02 pm : link
He is now going to draw coverage from a tall safety or a faster lb until he can prove he can beat them. It is great news for the Giants. If he is getting safety coverage it will open things up for Cruz Randle and hopefully Beckham. It is great looking forward to a Giant game. I hope the crowd gets behind them.
You have to presume Defenses will jam Donnell at the LOS  
Jimmy Googs : 9/30/2014 3:10 pm : link
particularly near the end zone to throw off any timing passes from Eli.

Hopefully McAdoo and Eli put in some new wrinkles to take advantage of any additional attention to Donnell.
having a team double Donnell will be suicide with a healthy  
gtt350 : 9/30/2014 3:29 pm : link
Beckum
He's a pretty big body to jam at the line  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/30/2014 3:33 pm : link
I'd like to see the matchup that's going to jam a 6'6 260 pounder off his timing.
RE: If they double team him  
NYG007 : 9/30/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11891720 lester said:
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it will open things up for other guys in the passing game.


Bingo, all this is good news for us. And if Becks is actually healthy enough to contribute? Go ahead, Double Larry or Cruz
If you scheme for Donnell...  
Damon : 9/30/2014 3:48 pm : link
The WRs all open up... A TE that can catch is a dream for this offense. Jennings should be a beneficiary as well...
Mao covered this one,  
oldog : 9/30/2014 4:07 pm : link
let a thousand flowers bloom, let them scheme if they will: Eli will escape, Cruz will flit like a flea, Beckham (ODB or OBJ) will ham it up, Randall will roam, Parker will pivot, Jennings will juke, Hynoski will hammer, Williams will, oh you get the idea.
We should be so lucky...  
rsjem1979 : 9/30/2014 4:18 pm : link
If teams are going to try to "scheme" for Larry Donnell, that would be enormously beneficial to every other offensive player we've got.
RE: He's a pretty big body to jam at the line  
Jimmy Googs : 9/30/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11892016 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I'd like to see the matchup that's going to jam a 6'6 260 pounder off his timing.


Yes, that's a nice advantage of having a TE that can catch. However, any disruption of a free release can mess up timing from a QB. Defenders can't just grow taller overnight so unless you want to put two men on him (unlikely), you focus on messing up the route.
They will use a two man scheme  
nicky43 : 9/30/2014 4:43 pm : link
where one defender stands on the shoulders of the other defender chasing Donnell. They won't be able to keep up with him so they are hoping to bat the ball down before it gets to him.
You have to think that teams will jam him and try and bracket him  
BeerFridge : 9/30/2014 4:47 pm : link
with a LB-DB. Can't ignore him, he's on pace for 100 catches and 16 TDs. He's the Giant's leading receiver.

Has to open up things for the WRs and even Jennings and the backs.
they will  
kepler20 : 9/30/2014 5:17 pm : link
press him at the line and then bracket him with the safety.

If that's the case, look for even more spread formations for us to isolate and target the 1on1 matchup
the ripple effect is great.......benefits Cruz......  
George from PA : 9/30/2014 7:12 pm : link
And I truly feel OBJ will complete an offense that would be very impressive
Lets hope that he's our version ….  
Manny in CA : 10/1/2014 12:06 am : link
Of Jason Witten. Receivers come-and-go at Dallas, but Witten has always been Romo's "go-to-guy".

How many times have we thought we've got them by the throat and Witten saves their bacon ? It's only Romo's propensity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory that has kept them down.

The play he always kills us with is that crossing pattern, then with a deep "go" to the flag. Frustrating, it's like we know what coming and he keeps doing it, especially on 3rd down.
Romo and Witten developed a good rapport early on  
Jimmy Googs : 10/1/2014 7:29 am : link
and have kept it going. Against Giants, Witten typically does well because LB/Safety play over the middle has typically been below par, especially near end zone.

But its more than that. Even when Witten is covered well, Romo will still throw him the ball as his safety-valve to the shoulder-side opposite the defender so he can box him out. They both know to always be ready for this throw and have basically perfected it thru repetition...
Witten gets open so easy  
Doomster : 10/1/2014 11:32 am : link
against the Giants.....

If in man, he runs at the lb/s and breaks to the opposite side of the defender...if a zone, he just breaks to the hole in it, and Romo is firing it at him, more often than not, before he even makes his break, because he knows which way Witten will break his pattern....they have played together so long, it's easy.....
Donnell at 6'6" and 265  
mrvax : 10/1/2014 12:41 pm : link
If a defender tried route disruption near the line of scrimmage, don't be surprised if Donnell shoves him to the ground and proceeds uncovered.

Of course, they'd call offensive pass interference.
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