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NFT: Not tech savvy, switching to Macbook, convince/dissuade me

j_rud : 9/30/2014 2:11 pm
As the title states I'm don't know much about computers but am about to buy a Macbook Pro. Doing so bc many articles I've read and people I've spoken with rave about the retina display and how well they handle photos, which will be the main use.

Can anyone speak to that specifically or anything in general? My wife's employer switched to Apple recently so she brought one home a few months ago. Strange at first but I'm getting comfortable with it. All thoughts, jokes, sarcasm, and whining are welcome. Thanks.
They are the best  
YAJ2112 : 9/30/2014 2:13 pm : link
no viruses!

- iFanBoy
Congrats  
Giantology : 9/30/2014 2:13 pm : link
You'll be getting a great machine :) once you get used to it, youll love it forever.
They are overrated  
YAJ2112 : 9/30/2014 2:14 pm : link
junk.

- B Gates
The  
DanMetroMan : 9/30/2014 2:14 pm : link
best part of Mac products is how little work you need to do "under the hood". Nerds like to mock people who like Apple because you can do less of your own tweaking but I love apple products and Macbook is a great product. My girlfriend just bought the Air and absolutely loves it.
the retina display is great  
MookGiants : 9/30/2014 2:14 pm : link
I will say this though, I bought a retina 15 inch when the haswell macbook pros came out last year, had it for 2 weeks, while I did really like it I tried out my cousins macbook air and returned it for the 13" macbook air. Battery life is amazing on this and it was like 900 dollars cheaper. There's supposed to be a 12" retina macbook air coming, but who knows when that will be. Could be next month or could be 2015.

Get Parallels and run  
Peter in Atlanta : 9/30/2014 2:15 pm : link
Windows on it.
be prepared to overpay  
chris r : 9/30/2014 2:16 pm : link
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My wife's a photog  
Jon from PA : 9/30/2014 2:18 pm : link
and has both an imac and macbook pro. She hates editing on the macbook because of the small(er) screen. I'm not sure how much editing you plan on doing but it's something to consider.
RE: be prepared to overpay  
j_rud : 9/30/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11891823 chris r said:
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The laptop I'm buying refurbished. It's the cheapest piece of equipment I'm buying this week...
RE: My wife's a photog  
j_rud : 9/30/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11891828 Jon from PA said:
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and has both an imac and macbook pro. She hates editing on the macbook because of the small(er) screen. I'm not sure how much editing you plan on doing but it's something to consider.


Quite a bit so it's something to consider, thanks Jon. I've considered trading the ease of the laptop for a full size monitor but don't think it's worth it it. Does your wife have the 13 or the 15? I think I could work with the 15.
the 15"  
MookGiants : 9/30/2014 2:25 pm : link
should be plenty big enough.

How much cheaper is the refurb vs buying new? If you look on sites like bhphoto you wouldnt have to pay tax on it if you are in PA and their prices are cheaper than apple to begin with. Also you can buy applecare on bhphoto for much cheaper
I just asked her  
Jon from PA : 9/30/2014 3:01 pm : link
she has the 15". But to be fair, she's used to editing on her 27" imac so YMMV.
I have every Apple device  
pjcas18 : 9/30/2014 3:06 pm : link
ever made (including computers) and I still prefer Windows computers.

tech savvy has nothing to do with it.

once i got a mac i got rid of every other pc in the house  
gtt350 : 9/30/2014 3:27 pm : link
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I have the 13 inch MBP retina w/256 gigs  
GMenLTS : 9/30/2014 3:36 pm : link
Got it last fall and it runs as fast as it did the day I bought it and the battery is excellent.

It's a pretty awesome machine in my book.

They cost 2x as much as a Windows maachine for the same  
PatersonPlank : 9/30/2014 3:38 pm : link
functionality. I am an anti-Apple guy.
Pick yourself up an Asus, invest the spent money  
jcn56 : 9/30/2014 3:38 pm : link
in a nice dividend yielding stock, and in 10 years buy yourself a nice motorcycle.
Well, invest the saved money  
jcn56 : 9/30/2014 3:39 pm : link
If you can invest the money you spent, even better, just make sure you don't get caught.
Good choice.  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/30/2014 3:47 pm : link
Depending on what you are doing a Macbook Air may be a better and less expensive choice.
I use both Mac Book and PC  
DC Gmen Fan : 9/30/2014 4:13 pm : link
I use the Mac whenever I can. I love it.

Macbooks are great  
Sonic Youth : 9/30/2014 4:15 pm : link
I say this as an Android fanboy, as well.

OsX is a great OS, it's easy to use...I've got my parents on them, and they both love the functionality and ease of use.

Yeah, you're kind of overpaying for specs, but the closed system works well, and it'll be powerful enough to do whatever you need.
I'm on my second macbook pro  
phil in arizona : 9/30/2014 4:18 pm : link
First one was a 13 inch macbook pro from 2009-10ish? Best laptop I've ever owned. Took a few weeks to get used to it. This one was totally worth the money.

Most recent one is a 15 inch macbook pro w/retina from 2012-13ish. It was a bonus from work. It was released with an issue in the graphics chip where certain wifi frequencies caused screen flicker. Apple still doesn't acknowledge this defect even though there are hundreds of responses to this issue on their support forum. I'd be really pissed if I shelled out $2000 for it or whatever they were asking. The OS is pretty good. The ergonomics and layout are top notch. Garageband is a nice to have.

If I were buying a new computer with my own cash, I'd say the $1000 13.3 inch pro is worth it over say a $700-$800 windows laptop. You've got to be nuts to shell out for their larger models, that is, unless $ wasn't an object.
Get a monitor  
flapjack : 9/30/2014 4:18 pm : link
I'm a designer and my work station is my laptop and a big dell monitor. I can take the laptop with me and when I'm at my desk I'm running on two monitors. It's a great setup.
RE: Good choice.  
j_rud : 9/30/2014 4:46 pm : link
In comment 11892043 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Depending on what you are doing a Macbook Air may be a better and less expensive choice.



That's actually something I'm looking into Ron, been doing a,lot of reading on the topic and I came across a blog post Forman successful photographer who says the Macbook Air is plenty fast and more than capable of converting raw image files. If the Air cam do (still looking into it) what I need it to do I'll go that route.
RE: I have every Apple device  
j_rud : 9/30/2014 4:49 pm : link
In comment 11891947 pjcas18 said:
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ever made (including computers) and I still prefer Windows computers.

tech savvy has nothing to do with it.


I know your personal competency with computers isn't going to determine preference, I was just putting it out there so anyone who responded knew to use laymans terms and avoid complicated questions.
RE: RE: I have every Apple device  
pjcas18 : 9/30/2014 4:55 pm : link
In comment 11892160 j_rud said:
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In comment 11891947 pjcas18 said:


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ever made (including computers) and I still prefer Windows computers.

tech savvy has nothing to do with it.




I know your personal competency with computers isn't going to determine preference, I was just putting it out there so anyone who responded knew to use laymans terms and avoid complicated questions.


I see, makes sense, in all honesty I love apple products, and my house has a total of two computers, my for work which is a windows laptop they provide for me and a windows HP envy laptop I bought a few years ago.

I have owned Apple computers, macbooks, even an iMac at one point and there is very little advantage apple has over windows, very little based on my usage and stressing it. I'm not making home movies or editing graphics, which at one time immediately illicited an "oh, you need a Mac" comment from people now the two platforms are nearly identical in that regard.

viruses are increasing in Apple computers too.

I prefer windows computers simply for the familiarity. I use it at work, therefore I use it at home for a fraction of the price of a Mac. I don't need to find windows equivalents, etc. to work on a Mac for anything.

My kids never use computers, it's all tablets or mobile devices for them. they've never seen a desktop and any time I say get the laptop they roll their eyes like I'm asking them to walk home from school both ways.
I love the design of the MacBooks  
santacruzom : 9/30/2014 4:57 pm : link
And for some reason, seemingly no PC laptop manufacturer has been able to approach the same universe of quality when it comes to the touchpad. I'd have to say that they seem like pretty good machines.

It's just unfortunate that Apple makes them.

My wife's iMac has more annoying issues every week than I ever have on my PC. Just last night I was editing a song in Logic, had the gall to open up a browser while doing so, and encountered an error message about a lack of resources that froze Logic for a few minutes.
I don't like Mac computers  
Hades07 : 9/30/2014 4:58 pm : link
I have to use both PCs and MACs on a regular basis and I get so frustrated using the MACs. They are functional and all, I guess, but they suck massive amounts of productivity due to their cumbersome menu based systems. People love Macs and good for them, the only way I would get one though is if it was given to me for free and then I would just give it to my kids for games and such.
Can't use a Mac  
UConn4523 : 9/30/2014 5:04 pm : link
want to throw my wife's Air out of the window when I use it. I'm sure they are great when used properly but outside of having less viruses I don't see any upside.
here's a real-life issue I encounter  
santacruzom : 9/30/2014 5:18 pm : link
when I support our (fortunately few) clients who use Macs:

It's very hard to replicate and then support issues when the application I support (Citrix Receiver) seems very vulnerable to the OS version. You don't really encounter this in Windows -- you can generally install an application whether you have Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, even frikkin decade-plus-old Windows XP. With Macs, we encounter compatibility issues all the time.

Macs tend to force compatibility issues when they release major or even minor OS updates. Sometimes, you find yourself unable to install the latest iteration of an application unless you have the latest OS version... which can wind up not even being compatible with your hardware much more frequently than you'd experience in Windows.
If you are getting it for home and mainly doing pictures and web  
buford : 9/30/2014 7:21 pm : link
surfing, it is great. I can photo edit on mine (13 inch) but I am not a photographer, I just dabble and do most of it on my 27 inch iMac.

It does take some getting used to. I still can't get used to the no backspace key. And I work all day on a PC and then come home to a mac and I get confused. But I do love it.
Get the Mac  
trueblueinpw : 9/30/2014 8:25 pm : link
When I worked in IT, for about 20 years, I always said the same thing: I have yet to meet the person who buys a Mac and regrets their decision. I'm sure it happens, people buy a Mac and hate it, but it never happened to anyone I knew.
I'll break it down for you real simple like  
NoGainDayne : 9/30/2014 8:47 pm : link
Mac: better display, easier to use, less problems, because of the less problems thing they hold their speed for longer. PCs diminish in speed (depending on how well you take care of it the curve can be fairly sharp even in 1 year)

PC: If you use excel a lot especially the keyboard shortcuts you will be very frustrated using a Mac. If you are good with a PC the whole "easier to use thing" is much less relevant because while Apple's are more intuitive nothing is more intuitive than something you already know how to use well
RE: Get the Mac  
NoGainDayne : 9/30/2014 8:49 pm : link
In comment 11892435 trueblueinpw said:
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When I worked in IT, for about 20 years, I always said the same thing: I have yet to meet the person who buys a Mac and regrets their decision. I'm sure it happens, people buy a Mac and hate it, but it never happened to anyone I knew.


I hate Macs because I have used a PC since 5th grade (i'm 29 now) and know the keyboard shortcuts well. I become instantly frustrated trying to work on a Mac. So you are right in that nobody buys a Mac and regrets it because they already know about this frustration but that doesn't mean Macs are for everyone.
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mattlawson : 9/30/2014 9:23 pm : link
What's not to love?
- Mac users


Ohhh - the delicate genius doesn't mind spending an extra 500 dollars for branding and a shitty U2 album

- outspoken anti-Mac PC users on BBI



Don't be an asshole, get a Mac and start enjoying it.
RE: I don't like Mac computers  
mattlawson : 9/30/2014 9:26 pm : link
In comment 11892178 Hades07 said:
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I have to use both PCs and MACs on a regular basis and I get so frustrated using the MACs. They are functional and all, I guess, but they suck massive amounts of productivity due to their cumbersome menu based systems. People love Macs and good for them, the only way I would get one though is if it was given to me for free and then I would just give it to my kids for games and such.



You're doing it wrong
RE: Get the Mac  
mattlawson : 9/30/2014 9:29 pm : link
In comment 11892435 trueblueinpw said:
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When I worked in IT, for about 20 years, I always said the same thing: I have yet to meet the person who buys a Mac and regrets their decision. I'm sure it happens, people buy a Mac and hate it, but it never happened to anyone I knew.



Good for you. Our IT department pushes macs now after a decade of a PC dominated era for "security" -- the dept saves the boss tons of money and we get the latest and greatest every 3 years. My last machine was the oldest one in the department at 7 years and never had a single issue, ever. Glad IT is buying into it.
IT resentment...  
trueblueinpw : 9/30/2014 10:43 pm : link
I never really understood the whole IT anti-Mac crowd. I guess its a counter-reaction to the whole Apple-fanboy crowd? Anyway - Macs are great computers especially for home users.


The one thing I'll say about Apple - I really think they miss Steve Jobs. Obviously there's a real lack of innovation in Apple now - but the quality of their products seems to have taken a bit of a dive in the past few years.
RE: IT resentment...  
santacruzom : 10/1/2014 2:24 am : link
In comment 11892654 trueblueinpw said:
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I never really understood the whole IT anti-Mac crowd. I guess its a counter-reaction to the whole Apple-fanboy crowd? Anyway - Macs are great computers especially for home users.



I can't necessarily speak for internal IT folk, but Apple has a tendency to make things difficult for mass provisioning and management, and it seems as though their marketing has somehow instilled within many a sense of entitlement. "I'm sorry, but this software often has issues on Macs... it's well documented," is often met with, "That's impossible! It's a Mac, it just works!"

I remember talking to a Mac user a few months back who was trying to send a particular command across her Citrix session. On a PC you hit Ctrl-Alt-Insert... but Macs have no Insert key. And wouldn't you know it, the woman acted like it was our responsibility to accommodate this.
First off thanks for the thoughts and advice.  
j_rud : 10/4/2014 2:48 pm : link
I did check out bhphoto mook, you were actually the second person to recommend them. My neighbor who moved here about a year ago is a lifelong New Yorker, lived his entire life in Brooklyn. He told me about the huge store and gave me a big catalog. I'll probably end up getting some lenses through them.

But I did end up getting a seller refurbished 15" MacBook pro. Went with 16gb because I'll need a lot of juice to run a few of the editing programs. Got in late last night on an auction that ended early this morning, swooped in and got a steal at $1525. I wish I had the budget to buy new but I have a lot of other things to consider and in some spots I gotta save a few bucks when I can.

So again, thanks for the advice.
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