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DanMetroMan : 9/30/2014 4:59 pm
CDC: Ebola confirmed in Dallas patient

A patient in a Dallas hospital has been confirmed to have the Ebola virus, News 8 has learned.Read on wfaa.& #8203;com

From WFAA:

In a statement issued Tuesday night, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas said the patient was admitted based on symptoms and "recent travel history."

The hospital, located at Greenville Avenue and Walnut Hill Lane in northeast Dallas, said it's complying with all recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and the Texas Department of Health to ensure the safety of other patients and medical staff.
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and here we go...  
DC Gmen Fan : 9/30/2014 5:01 pm : link
..
Way to go  
Fish : 9/30/2014 5:02 pm : link
USA
keep those  
Fish : 9/30/2014 5:02 pm : link
borders open
Should have sealed those countries off months ago  
bxgiants4 : 9/30/2014 5:04 pm : link
.
EVERYBODY  
Exit 172 : 9/30/2014 5:08 pm : link
RUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!
Oh god, now we have to deal with the Contagion  
kickerpa16 : 9/30/2014 5:09 pm : link
idiots panicking.
RE: keep those  
Chris in Philly : 9/30/2014 5:11 pm : link
In comment 11892185 Fish said:
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borders open


Yes. Let's immediately shut down the country's borders.
And it begins.  
sb2003 : 9/30/2014 5:12 pm : link
Time to hoard canned goods.
You guys think those fucking  
Randy in CT : 9/30/2014 5:12 pm : link
Canadians did this?? Bastards!
...and we just moved on from SARS.....  
Ryan : 9/30/2014 5:14 pm : link
..
RE: Should have sealed those countries off months ago  
speedywheels : 9/30/2014 5:14 pm : link
In comment 11892186 bxgiants4 said:
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Yes, because it's extremely easy just to seal off an entire country.

LOL - Fluffy continues to entertain!
It's the end of the world  
scott in albany : 9/30/2014 5:17 pm : link
Bummer.
RE: keep those  
EmpireWF : 9/30/2014 5:18 pm : link
In comment 11892185 Fish said:
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borders open


unless this is a quote from centuries ago and the native americans, it makes no sense.
This business will get out of control ...  
Trainmaster : 9/30/2014 5:21 pm : link
... and we'll be lucky to live through it!

ebola?  
RicFlair : 9/30/2014 5:23 pm : link
more like ebrola.
















well  
giantfanboy : 9/30/2014 5:27 pm : link
the good news is that we finally might build that fence in texas to keep unwanted outs

the bad news it the fence won't be build between texas and mexico but between texas and the US.
I think you mixed up which one is good and which one is bad  
Wuphat : 9/30/2014 5:29 pm : link
I'd rather have Mexicans over the Texans that I've met.

People in Austin can get a waiver.
Giantfanboy, don't tease me.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2014 5:32 pm : link
.
Dallas, too. I'd take the folks in Dallas and their virus  
schnitzie : 9/30/2014 5:33 pm : link
over the rest of Texas. (Austin and the lesbian mayor of Houston are also welcome.)
Is the lesbian mayor hot?  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2014 5:35 pm : link
.
This is gonna be bad...  
Shockwave : 9/30/2014 5:47 pm : link
Like tens of thousands of deaths bad...
No, shockwave  
redbeard : 9/30/2014 5:55 pm : link
its not. Third world contries like Liberia and Sierra Leone combined hasn't even approached "tens of thousands".

Smarter people than I have written some great pieces on why Ebola, in it's current form, does not have the capacity to cause epidemics like we have seen in Africa in the US. The Fear-mongering is gonna be unbearable.
Because we don't have  
kickerpa16 : 9/30/2014 5:58 pm : link
urban legend remedies?

And our medical staff isn't likely to run at the first sight of this?

Low-hanging fruit...
Flipping through channels this past weekend...  
Go Terps : 9/30/2014 6:05 pm : link
I saw a footer on FOX News (I don't watch FOX News, but the footer was tough to ignore) that read: "CDC: Cases of Ebola expected to reach a million by 2015".

That's gotta be horseshit, right? My understanding was that Ebola killed people too quickly for such a spread, even in a disaster of a place like Liberia.
not to mention the CDC  
redbeard : 9/30/2014 6:06 pm : link
who is pretty damn good at what they do. This isn't rural Africa, where a ebola patient decides he doesn't want to be in the one-room hospital anymore and walks out the front door back to his home


I've seen pts with possible multidrug resistant TB become, in no uncertain terms, prisoners of the hospital. They are quarantined and police are placed outside their room if it is thought that they are a flight risk. I have no doubt this patient is under STRICT surveillance and quarantine.

Not to mention we already had Ebola in the US. The doc survived and no one else was infected.

A lot of people are going to panic and a lot of people are going to say a lot of stupid stuff out of fear.
This is gonna be worse than Y2K  
Exit 172 : 9/30/2014 6:06 pm : link
.
Quoting Aaron Rodgers  
looie : 9/30/2014 6:17 pm : link
R-E-L-A-X.
The guy Flies in to the US on the 20th symptom free  
Canton : 9/30/2014 6:18 pm : link
On the 24 he was sick. Then waited 4 days before he reached isolation.

How many people did he sicken between then. Did he goto the grocery store? Gym? Mall?

How bad could it get? Ohh, the questions..
RE: The guy Flies in to the US on the 20th symptom free  
Chris in Philly : 9/30/2014 6:25 pm : link
In comment 11892306 Canton said:
Quote:
On the 24 he was sick. Then waited 4 days before he reached isolation.

How many people did he sicken between then. Did he goto the grocery store? Gym? Mall?

How bad could it get? Ohh, the questions..


Unless he threw up on people or had unprotected sex in the grocery aisle I think we'll be okay...
RE: This is gonna be bad...  
Chris in Philly : 9/30/2014 6:26 pm : link
In comment 11892257 Shockwave said:
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Like tens of thousands of deaths bad...


You need to watch more Brad Pitt zombie movies.
redbeard  
ColHowPepper : 9/30/2014 6:27 pm : link
not to be disrespectful, but this statement on its own can't be taken seriously:

"Not to mention we already had Ebola in the US. The doc survived and no one else was infected."

The doc who survived was flown here in a specially, CDC designed, small aircraft in which all occupants and the hospital to which he was admitted had prepared extensively in advance for one contagious person, who was given costly, intensive care quite soon after diagnosis was made.

This is quite a world apart from Ebola infected persons arriving in the US on commercial airliners/other common carriers and mingle in airports where neither the infected person nor the persons potentially exposed to the virus have a clue that he is infected.
No idea  
NYerInMA : 9/30/2014 6:32 pm : link
Why anyone would travel to that part of the world, especially now. You're just asking for trouble.
just making a statement that this is not our first encounter  
redbeard : 9/30/2014 6:36 pm : link
the circumstances are certainly different and I realize that. Could have phrased that better
Let the  
ctc in ftmyers : 9/30/2014 6:39 pm : link
panic begin.

Idiots
Love the comments after the article with  
The Turk : 9/30/2014 6:54 pm : link
the picture of Jerry picking his nose.
Why  
AcidTest : 9/30/2014 7:00 pm : link
are we allowing people from Liberia to enter the country?
You're not catching Ebola from someone  
BlackLight : 9/30/2014 7:05 pm : link
unless you're sharing bodily fluids or needles with them.
Why are we allowing people from Liberia to enter the country?  
compton : 9/30/2014 7:12 pm : link
Maybe because they are U.S citizens or legal residents.
We are all going to die.  
Big Al : 9/30/2014 7:16 pm : link
Didn't you people read The Stand or watch The Strain.
He was asymptomatic when he was on the plane  
buford : 9/30/2014 7:16 pm : link
and probably not contagious, so that is good. You can only get it from bodily fluids.
Shouldn't allow anyone to travel to or from those countries  
bxgiants4 : 9/30/2014 7:43 pm : link
And the US. Simple as that.
I tried to warn you all  
natefit : 9/30/2014 7:57 pm : link
weeks ago but you wouldnt listen. You said there was no reason to worry, everything is fine. Now its here. And this is only the beginning...
Holy fucking  
kickerpa16 : 9/30/2014 7:58 pm : link
shit...
RE: I tried to warn you all  
Rob in NYC : 9/30/2014 8:13 pm : link
In comment 11892401 natefit said:
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weeks ago but you wouldnt listen. You said there was no reason to worry, everything is fine. Now its here. And this is only the beginning...


I thought you were better than this. I stand corrected.

Did you sound the alarm anywhere else besides BBI?
I tried  
natefit : 9/30/2014 8:17 pm : link
in the subway but people dont take off their headphones.
So, safe to say that according to some here  
Wuphat : 9/30/2014 8:18 pm : link
we can now define epidemics as "one patient"
Sir,  
That Said : 9/30/2014 8:19 pm : link
does this mean that Ann-Margret's not coming?
It's not really here  
Bill L : 9/30/2014 8:29 pm : link
Nobody was infected here and the likelihood of the disease moving a out here remains very low.

I'd worry about lab workers more than anyone. CDC is all over the place on guidelines; in some cases it says use BSL 3 but for many things they say BSL2 is ok. That's pretty much bench top. In truth few places are set up to do bulk testing under BSL3. But even with lab workers, we're talking very remote likelihood of infection.

The important points are no aerosol spread and no infectivity prior to being symptomatic. So the fellow air passengers are safe. Anything else is hysteria more than anything.

Of course the caveat, as it always is in life, is that it's not transmitted by aerosol until it is. There's no infective before symptoms, until,there is,
Are there really people panicking?  
Some Fan : 9/30/2014 8:37 pm : link
Where are the people panicking? Someone on a message board saying this could be the start of an epidemic does not strike me as mass panic. Who on this thread has changed their behavior?
RE: Flipping through channels this past weekend...  
81_Great_Dane : 9/30/2014 8:40 pm : link
In comment 11892286 Go Terps said:
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I saw a footer on FOX News (I don't watch FOX News, but the footer was tough to ignore) that read: "CDC: Cases of Ebola expected to reach a million by 2015".

That's gotta be horseshit, right? My understanding was that Ebola killed people too quickly for such a spread, even in a disaster of a place like Liberia.
This Wired article explains why it's not horseshit, and why the world had better get its act together.
The Mathematics of Ebola Trigger Stark Warnings: Act Now or Regret It - ( New Window )
From the CDC  
spike : 9/30/2014 9:00 pm : link
When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
objects (like needles and syringes) that have been contaminated with the virus
infected animals
Ebola is not spread through the air or by water, or in general, food. However, in Africa, Ebola may be spread as a result of handling bushmeat (wild animals hunted for food) and contact with infected bats.

Healthcare providers caring for Ebola patients and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids of sick patients.
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RE: RE: keep those  
Cam in MO : 9/30/2014 9:01 pm : link
In comment 11892195 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 11892185 Fish said:


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borders open



Yes. Let's immediately shut down the country's borders.


Holy fuck. Lettuce would be $15/head.

I'm already pissed at the price of turkey and chicken.

So if you can only get it from direct bodily fluid contact  
Joe in Knoxville : 9/30/2014 9:02 pm : link
Can somebody ask him who he swapped spit with in Liberia

Also I love the in it's current form statement in that article it basically opens the door for the writer to say well I said in it's current form I mean who knew a virus of all things would change over time I mean that's crazy right
As per Sanjay Gupta  
natefit : 9/30/2014 9:06 pm : link
bodily fluids include sweat. So this guy worked out on a bench and then you did and you had a small scrape on your leg that came in contact with the bench. You have been potentially exposed. Or say he sneezed near a handle and then you used that handle a minute later with a small cut on your hand. Same thing. To be serious a moment, look its not an epidemic but its not nothing either.
People losing their shit over this? Bad  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/30/2014 9:07 pm : link
People being condescending to those who are worried? Worse.

The majority of the annoying posts on this thread have come from kicker and co. Congrats kicker... you're so much better than anyone who gives a shit. Kudos.
I'd want to know who he  
spike : 9/30/2014 9:08 pm : link
came in contact during the week that he is withiin the US borders
RE: RE: The guy Flies in to the US on the 20th symptom free  
Cam in MO : 9/30/2014 9:08 pm : link
In comment 11892314 Chris in Philly said:
Quote:
In comment 11892306 Canton said:


Quote:


On the 24 he was sick. Then waited 4 days before he reached isolation.

How many people did he sicken between then. Did he goto the grocery store? Gym? Mall?

How bad could it get? Ohh, the questions..



Unless he threw up on people or had unprotected sex in the grocery aisle I think we'll be okay...


Don't knock the whole grocery aisle thing until you try it.

RE: As per Sanjay Gupta  
spike : 9/30/2014 9:09 pm : link
In comment 11892502 natefit said:
Quote:
bodily fluids include sweat. So this guy worked out on a bench and then you did and you had a small scrape on your leg that came in contact with the bench. You have been potentially exposed. Or say he sneezed near a handle and then you used that handle a minute later with a small cut on your hand. Same thing. To be serious a moment, look its not an epidemic but its not nothing either.


damn in Africa, everyone is sweating.

Good thing Winter is coming.
RE: You're not catching Ebola from someone  
Cam in MO : 9/30/2014 9:10 pm : link
In comment 11892353 BlackLight said:
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unless you're sharing bodily fluids or needles with them.


Fuck.


So it's like HIV?  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 9:10 pm : link
Even so, you don't know how pissed off I get when I'm on the subway and some schmuck coughs or sneezes without covering his/her mouth. You asshole.
Hey, I have a bacterial gut infection called C. Difficile. Maybe I should wipe my ass with my hand and then stick my fingers down your motherfucking throat. Would you like that? Then stop fucking sneezing and coughing in my direction.


But I digress
RE: So it's like HIV?  
Cam in MO : 9/30/2014 9:15 pm : link
In comment 11892510 Anakim said:
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Even so, you don't know how pissed off I get when I'm on the subway and some schmuck coughs or sneezes without covering his/her mouth. You asshole.
Hey, I have a bacterial gut infection called C. Difficile. Maybe I should wipe my ass with my hand and then stick my fingers down your motherfucking throat. Would you like that? Then stop fucking sneezing and coughing in my direction.


But I digress



I totes sneezed on you in that bar that time while you were talking to the WWE bouncer guy.














On purpose.
RE: RE: So it's like HIV?  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 9:17 pm : link
In comment 11892521 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 11892510 Anakim said:


Quote:


Even so, you don't know how pissed off I get when I'm on the subway and some schmuck coughs or sneezes without covering his/her mouth. You asshole.
Hey, I have a bacterial gut infection called C. Difficile. Maybe I should wipe my ass with my hand and then stick my fingers down your motherfucking throat. Would you like that? Then stop fucking sneezing and coughing in my direction.


But I digress




I totes sneezed on you in that bar that time while you were talking to the WWE bouncer guy.














On purpose.


Haha, why do you think I wanted nothing to do with the Boilermaker you bought me? A dirty shot glass in my beer? NO. THANK YOU.
so dont let anyone  
spike : 9/30/2014 9:19 pm : link
spit or sweat on you.

Obviously dont have sex with people potentially infected with Ebola.
RE: so dont let anyone  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 9:27 pm : link
In comment 11892529 spike said:
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spit or sweat on you.

Obviously dont have sex with people potentially infected with Ebola.


Alright, guys:

Would you rather fuck an ebola-infected Kate Upton or a normal thumbs Megan Fox?
I warned you all  
Overseer : 9/30/2014 9:27 pm : link
the sheeple saunter blithely in lockstop, unaware of the dangers that simmer among us, primed to boil over. It's only a matter of time now. You think Obama can save us? You think the CDC can save us? A bloated bureaucracy that makes the VA look like the pinnacle of efficiency. Texas now. Soon Oklahoma, Kansas, California, Alaska, New York. There's nowhere to hide. It will spread like the cracks hurtling through freshly broken pond ice.

The only question is will it be millions dead...or billions? Extinction is nigh.

You didn't listen.
*Fucked-up thumbs  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 9:28 pm : link
.
RE: RE: so dont let anyone  
spike : 9/30/2014 9:33 pm : link
In comment 11892540 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 11892529 spike said:


Quote:


spit or sweat on you.

Obviously dont have sex with people potentially infected with Ebola.



Alright, guys:

Would you rather fuck an ebola-infected Kate Upton or a normal thumbs Megan Fox?


Yeah, with Megan's thumb.
Can we just give Texas back to Mexico?  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 9/30/2014 9:53 pm : link
It's a win-win:
No Ebola in the US
Roger gets his international expansion
Romo can go to Cabo whenever he wants.
To tell you the truth,  
Bill L : 9/30/2014 10:01 pm : link
If Ebola ever to the US in frequency, the mod likely place for an outbreak is New York. Not sure the Brits or even Dutch would want to re absorb us though.
NYC has a huge African population  
spike : 9/30/2014 10:08 pm : link
good luck to all.
Ebola? Bah!  
JohnF : 9/30/2014 10:19 pm : link
Here is the REAL Virus Threat!!!

The biggest concern would be a mutation that allows airborne  
Scyber : 9/30/2014 10:20 pm : link
transmission. Ebola has the ability to be absorbed through the mucus membranes, so it would just need the ability to survive outside the body. There has already been an airborne strain of Ebola, it just wasn't harmful to humans (only monkeys).

The chance of this type of mutation is small, but the amount of people infected in this outbreak far exceeds any previous outbreak.
Oh no.  
kickerpa16 : 9/30/2014 10:21 pm : link
FEK doesn't like my tone.

The horror.
One thing's for sure...  
Britt in VA : 9/30/2014 10:35 pm : link
If Amanda Bynes gets Ebola, he'll be the first to report it.
How do we know this isn't some kinda Israeli computer virus?  
shepherdsam : 9/30/2014 10:47 pm : link
.
RE: I think you mixed up which one is good and which one is bad  
bob in tx : 9/30/2014 10:50 pm : link
In comment 11892235 Wuphat said:
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I'd rather have Mexicans over the Texans that I've met.

People in Austin can get a waiver.


So says a shift manager, whatever the fuck that is.
RE: Oh no.  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/30/2014 10:58 pm : link
In comment 11892624 kickerpa16 said:
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FEK doesn't like my tone.

The horror.


Hehe yeah, I figured something in this vein was coming. Hope this thread has made you feel better about yourself and your ironclad grip on the world , kicker. Your self-esteem must be marvelous.
I'm no isolationist  
Motley Blue : 9/30/2014 11:04 pm : link
but stay the fuck hone already.
To those saying it's as hard to catch as Aids  
bradshaw44 : 9/30/2014 11:11 pm : link
You are wrong. Look how it's spreading at a decent enough pace.

To those that say it's a crazy, easy to spread epidemic, look how it's not spreading like the flu.

What we are dealing with is something in between. Yet it's almost a certain death sentence. So people have the right to worry. Yet , "full on panic" is unwarranted.
Coming from the dude who's intellectual contributions are  
kickerpa16 : 9/30/2014 11:12 pm : link
on par with TMZ, yeah, I'm fine with my attitude.
It's almost a certain death sentence?  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 11:17 pm : link
What about the doctors and medical workers that were in Africa and were transported to the US for treatment? They seem to be doing alright
RE: It's almost a certain death sentence?  
bradshaw44 : 9/30/2014 11:22 pm : link
In comment 11892707 Anakim said:
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What about the doctors and medical workers that were in Africa and were transported to the US for treatment? They seem to be doing alright


Anak, why don't you look up the percent of people that die from the disease. You're talking about 2 people that got the full support of the US goverent. You won't get that.
RE: RE: It's almost a certain death sentence?  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 11:33 pm : link
In comment 11892718 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 11892707 Anakim said:


Quote:


What about the doctors and medical workers that were in Africa and were transported to the US for treatment? They seem to be doing alright



Anak, why don't you look up the percent of people that die from the disease. You're talking about 2 people that got the full support of the US goverent. You won't get that.


50%. Fair enough, but you have to think that that number will drop given our healthcare system compared to that of the West Africa countries.
Fekker...  
Chris in Philly : 9/30/2014 11:37 pm : link
A lot of the hysterical an ill-informed posts deserve scorn and ridicule.
RE: RE: RE: It's almost a certain death sentence?  
bradshaw44 : 9/30/2014 11:41 pm : link
In comment 11892725 Anakim said:
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In comment 11892718 bradshaw44 said:


Quote:


In comment 11892707 Anakim said:


Quote:


What about the doctors and medical workers that were in Africa and were transported to the US for treatment? They seem to be doing alright



Anak, why don't you look up the percent of people that die from the disease. You're talking about 2 people that got the full support of the US goverent. You won't get that.



50%. Fair enough, but you have to think that that number will drop given our healthcare system compared to that of the West Africa countries.


True. We will have a much better rate of survival than most. Still, it's something id rather not come in contact with. And it's spreading at a pace that's got the CDC's attention. That's all I'm saying.
Should I stop buying 30 packs of beer?  
Davisian : 9/30/2014 11:43 pm : link
Or can we take them with us?

Not sure if people know....  
damdevs : 9/30/2014 11:55 pm : link
But there is a 19 to 21 day incubation period with Ebola. So when you have direct flights from Africa to the U.S. it was just a matter of time.

RE: Not sure if people know....  
Bill L : 10/1/2014 6:09 am : link
In comment 11892773 damdevs said:
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But there is a 19 to 21 day incubation period with Ebola. So when you have direct flights from Africa to the U.S. it was just a matter of time.


There are enough differences between here and Africa, many of them cultural and many economic, to believe that if someone did come here with it the spread would be restricted. This current case being an example. I don't think there's enough time to have a large amount of people infected. You go. From not contagious and mobile to contagious but incapacitated pretty quickly. We seek medical treatment quickly and are aware of travel history. We don't generally eat bush meat.

Otoh, the disease is severe. I don't think that 50 % number is correct. I think it's much higher, although the numbers would obviously be skewed because of the paucity of cases in developed worlds with our medical care. The two earlier Americans could be outliers because of quality of medical care, but otoh they also received an experimental drug that is not available in any great amount. Which caused them to recover?

RE: Should I stop buying 30 packs of beer?  
BigBlueShock : 10/1/2014 7:03 am : link
In comment 11892745 Davisian said:
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Or can we take them with us?

You finish one off in about an hour, don't ya? I'd say you're ok to continue buying. For now.
It spreads in Africa the same way Aids decimated that area  
buford : 10/1/2014 7:17 am : link
people don't practice simple sanitary rules. They don't have the infrastructure we have, or the hospital systems. And they have a lot of cultural superstitions which help to spread the virus. The only way it would spread like that here is if it went airborne.
It was only a matter of time  
ZogZerg : 10/1/2014 7:27 am : link
The question is, how did this person get it?

And, how many on the plane now have it? How would you like to have been on that plane or been the person sitting next to him/her?
RE: It was only a matter of time  
Bill L : 10/1/2014 8:03 am : link
In comment 11892958 ZogZerg said:
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The question is, how did this person get it?

And, how many on the plane now have it? How would you like to have been on that plane or been the person sitting next to him/her?


That's a pretty easy answer. The number of people on the plane who now have it is exactly zero (unless they got it independently). The answer to the second part is that I would not have liked to have been the person sitting next to him. However, I recognize that my response is a reflexive emotional one as opposed to a a reflective rational one.
What about the ppl that work on the plane  
bxgiants4 : 10/1/2014 8:13 am : link
Cleaners for example. Or the first responders who treated this person. Putting people at risk for no reason. Don't allow any travel to or from those countries. In a few weeks the airlines will do right.
RE: It spreads in Africa the same way Aids decimated that area  
RC02XX : 10/1/2014 8:57 am : link
In comment 11892956 buford said:
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people don't practice simple sanitary rules. They don't have the infrastructure we have, or the hospital systems. And they have a lot of cultural superstitions which help to spread the virus. The only way it would spread like that here is if it went airborne.


This
RE: What about the ppl that work on the plane  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/1/2014 9:02 am : link
In comment 11892994 bxgiants4 said:
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Cleaners for example. Or the first responders who treated this person. Putting people at risk for no reason. Don't allow any travel to or from those countries. In a few weeks the airlines will do right.


HUH?

Talk about nonsense.
Looking at the CDC and WHO web sites  
sb2003 : 10/1/2014 9:46 am : link
It states the incubation period for ebola is 2 - 21 days.

How can it be ruled out that this guy wasn't infected on the flight?
RE: Looking at the CDC and WHO web sites  
RC02XX : 10/1/2014 9:55 am : link
In comment 11893126 sb2003 said:
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It states the incubation period for ebola is 2 - 21 days.

How can it be ruled out that this guy wasn't infected on the flight?


That's an interesting question. So you're suggesting that someone else on the flight may have infected him? If so, then we have a bigger problem than initially thought.
RE: Looking at the CDC and WHO web sites  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/1/2014 9:59 am : link
In comment 11893126 sb2003 said:
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It states the incubation period for ebola is 2 - 21 days.

How can it be ruled out that this guy wasn't infected on the flight?


He was infected, not contagious, with the timing of the onset of symptoms. Also you cannot contact through airborne contact per all reports I've heard.
RE: Looking at the CDC and WHO web sites  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/1/2014 10:02 am : link
In comment 11893126 sb2003 said:
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It states the incubation period for ebola is 2 - 21 days.

How can it be ruled out that this guy wasn't infected on the flight?


Highly unlikely but it can't yet.

And while people shouldnt freak out the reality is any deadly infectious disease should be taken seriously. Due to the many safeguards in place outr health workers here in the US are much safer and highly unlikely to be at the risk level of those who have gone over to Africa to help.

The fact that I'm in hospitals and Dialysis centers all day for work and see blood often makes me a bit more Leary than most to just brush this off.

The reality is AIDS still has about 50,000 new cases per year and this virus will spread. Not nearly if ever to that level, but Like AIDS to a statistically small specific community.

Viruses and bacteria do mutate at times so let's not totally dismiss this. I'd also be lothe to totally trust the government on anything as a general rule.
RE: RE: Looking at the CDC and WHO web sites  
sb2003 : 10/1/2014 10:23 am : link
In comment 11893170 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 11893126 sb2003 said:


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It states the incubation period for ebola is 2 - 21 days.

How can it be ruled out that this guy wasn't infected on the flight?



Highly unlikely but it can't yet.

And while people shouldnt freak out the reality is any deadly infectious disease should be taken seriously. Due to the many safeguards in place outr health workers here in the US are much safer and highly unlikely to be at the risk level of those who have gone over to Africa to help.

The fact that I'm in hospitals and Dialysis centers all day for work and see blood often makes me a bit more Leary than most to just brush this off.

The reality is AIDS still has about 50,000 new cases per year and this virus will spread. Not nearly if ever to that level, but Like AIDS to a statistically small specific community.

Viruses and bacteria do mutate at times so let's not totally dismiss this. I'd also be lothe to totally trust the government on anything as a general rule.


The CDC director speaking to the media sounded very confident the flight wasn't an issue. I figure that might be because there is only one sick person at this point. Maybe they would expect more infections by now, or they just don't want to alarm people.

On a side note the TSA agents in charge of pat downs and checking people must be freaking out. The fun times of grabbing tits and balls might soon be over.
Would some...  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 10:31 am : link
of you hysterical morons read a fucking book? Please?
Why?  
Pork and Beans : 10/1/2014 10:46 am : link
Does reading affect the spread of the virus?
RE: Would some...  
Go Terps : 10/1/2014 10:52 am : link
In comment 11893214 Chris in Philly said:
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of you hysterical morons read a fucking book? Please?


Sounds like something someone with Ebola would say...
No...but hopefully it slows the spread of stupidity?  
RC02XX : 10/1/2014 10:52 am : link
...
I've come up with this handy chart for the nervous nellies  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2014 12:03 pm : link
RE: I've come up with this handy chart for the nervous nellies  
Jon from PA : 10/1/2014 12:05 pm : link
In comment 11893482 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Cam is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
It's time to grant that secession that some in Texas have wanted  
Bramton1 : 10/1/2014 12:25 pm : link
There's no ebola in the U.S! That's Texas, dude!
sb2003  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/1/2014 12:45 pm : link
"On a side note the TSA agents in charge of pat downs and checking people must be freaking out. The fun times of grabbing tits and balls might soon be over."

Why. Every time I'm patted down, defibrillator, the wear gloves. That's basically all the protection they need to prevent contamination.
I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
drkenneth : 10/1/2014 1:08 pm : link
my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.
RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
Britt in VA : 10/1/2014 1:10 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


What kind of honeymoon is that?

-Osi
RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
Rob in NYC : 10/1/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


Sounds awful.

- Cam and Davisian
agh  
Rob in NYC : 10/1/2014 1:12 pm : link
fuck you Britt!
RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 1:23 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


While you're gone, Fluffy will be busy sealing our borders. Goodbye forever, good doctor.
RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
RC02XX : 10/1/2014 1:29 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


With you chance of dying of Ebola infection at 50/50 in the US, I can just assume that the rate is far higher in Africa. Definitely stay away from feces.
and this is when it gets real  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/1/2014 1:41 pm : link
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Some school-age children have been in contact with the Ebola patient being treated in Dallas, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said today.

They have been identified and are being monitored for symptoms, he said.


Just say no to feces.  
drkenneth : 10/1/2014 1:42 pm : link
.
A possible second infection  
sb2003 : 10/1/2014 2:20 pm : link
A second person is being closely monitored that was in contact with the initial infected person.

I suspect we'll here of a number of people soon.
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Link from  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/1/2014 2:48 pm : link
where TTH's chart comes from.
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RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/1/2014 5:25 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


So was this a recent decision? No sense of adventure
Now they have 5 kids in isolation  
bxgiants4 : 10/1/2014 7:04 pm : link
Bc we allowed this guy to travel from west Africa. Idiots
5 kids in 4 different schools exposed  
Canton : 10/1/2014 7:19 pm : link
Is this guy a civilian or a terrorist. WTF.
Here is an article with more details about this case  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 7:08 am : link
The hospital really dropped the ball when they released him the fist time.
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The Dallas patient had initially sought treatment at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital late last Thursday and was sent home with antibiotics rather than being observed further, even though he told a nurse he had recently returned from West Africa. By Sunday, he needed an ambulance to return to the same hospital, where he was admitted.

A nurse asked about the travel as part of a triage checklist and was told about it. “Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said....



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Two days after he was sent home from a Dallas hospital, the man who is the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States was seen vomiting on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance.....

"His whole family was screaming. He got outside and he was throwing up all over the place," resident Mesud Osmanovic, 21, said on Wednesday, describing the chaotic scene before the man was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday where he is in serious condition....

Just wonderful


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Well, the ambulance crew may have been in contact  
ZogZerg : 10/2/2014 7:39 am : link
along with the kids and the 4 different schools they go to.

So far up to 20 have been exposed  
Canton : 10/2/2014 8:02 am : link
That they know of....
Kinda but not really Jamaica Hospital 20 years ago.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2014 8:36 am : link
When [Dr. Daniel] Bausch was in Sierra Leone last month, he said all the nurses went on strike in one of the hospitals where he was working. "There were 55 people in the Ebola ward," he said, "and myself and one other doctor."

He'd walk into the hospital in the morning and find patients on the floor in pools of vomit, blood, and stool. They had fallen out of their beds during the night, and they were delirious. "What should happen is that a nursing staff or sanitation officer would come and decontaminate the area," he said. "But when you don't have that support, obviously it gets more dangerous." So the disease spreads.
RE: So far up to 20 have been exposed  
natefit : 10/2/2014 9:07 am : link
In comment 11894785 Canton said:
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That they know of....


Make that 80.
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The natefit  
Rob in NYC : 10/2/2014 9:10 am : link
Alert system must be pegged to the red!
RE: RE: So far up to 20 have been exposed  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 9:16 am : link
In comment 11894895 natefit said:
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That they know of....



Make that 80. Link - ( New Window )


If you read the article, they are being monitored. That doesn't mean they were exposed to anything.

Remember, it's not airborne transmittable.

This is the exact reason that it won't spread.
RE: RE: So far up to 20 have been exposed  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 9:18 am : link
In comment 11894895 natefit said:
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That they know of....



Make that 80. Link - ( New Window )


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None has shown symptoms, and all are being given educational materials, Neroes said.

None of the 80 has been quarantined, Neroes said. However, Dallas County health officials have ordered four close relatives of the patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, to stay home and not have any visitors until at least October 19.


Hopefully they took care of that vomit  
buford : 10/2/2014 9:29 am : link
I heard that the family is in isolation and being monitored. Also, the virus can survive on surfaces up to 6 days, depending on the temperature, but can be neutralized by household bleach. Also, it can survive in sperm up to 7 weeks after recovery from infection. YEAH!!!!
Perhaps the people that want to blame the ER staff  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:13 am : link
should, at one point or another, follow an ER doctor/nurse around.

Quite often, extraneous material like that becomes ignored, and for good reason in most of the cases.
kicker  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:16 am : link
I assume they dropped the ball because they themselves seem to indicate they did.

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“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said....
Steve  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:21 am : link
I never said anything about people not fucking up.

I was pointing out that, to make it through the stream of patients and provide adequate care, a lot of information given by the patients is tossed aside (or given nothing more than a cursory thought). Most of the times, it's for good reasons (which, again, why I said "most").

Plus, it's a hospital administrator making that message. It's about as boilerplate as it gets.
It's not just about blame  
buford : 10/2/2014 10:27 am : link
but we are being told that 'it cant' happen here' because all these protocols are in place. Except they aren't. I would think any ER would see a man from Africa with fever and immediately think Ebola, I know many ERs have. I'm not sure why this one didn't.
RE: kicker  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 10:27 am : link
In comment 11895063 steve in ky said:
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I assume they dropped the ball because they themselves seem to indicate they did.



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“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said....



Yeah, they should have caught it, but understand why that information was lost in the diagnoses/treatment chain.
RE: It's not just about blame  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:30 am : link
In comment 11895103 buford said:
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but we are being told that 'it cant' happen here' because all these protocols are in place. Except they aren't. I would think any ER would see a man from Africa with fever and immediately think Ebola, I know many ERs have. I'm not sure why this one didn't.


Yes, widespread contagion won't happen here, because of the procedures in place.

That says nothing about individual cases. Any theory that espouse that something can be stopped with 0 cases is espoused by someone who's not operating with a full deck.
I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:31 am : link
about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.
Whoa. The news article only says that he "mentioned he had  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:35 am : link
recently returned from West Africa (a pretty large place, and not all with Ebola, by the way).

That's a very large jump to "he told people he was taking care of people with Ebola". That's routinely on the checklist of ER personnel to help provide others with info.
RE: I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:36 am : link
In comment 11895121 steve in ky said:
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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.


Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.
And, conversely, sick patients with potentially deadly illnesses  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:37 am : link
now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.
RE: It's not just about blame  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11895103 buford said:
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but we are being told that 'it cant' happen here' because all these protocols are in place. Except they aren't. I would think any ER would see a man from Africa with fever and immediately think Ebola, I know many ERs have. I'm not sure why this one didn't.


We don't know who was taking the history. Could have been some medical student doing their clinical. With the ignorance of geography today, Sierra Leone could have been a town in ND.

Someone said the EMS personnel. I haven't seen a report that this patient was transported by EMS.

I assumed it was a POV (privately owned vehicle) transport.
RE: And, conversely, sick patients with potentially deadly illnesses  
RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11895142 kickerpa16 said:
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now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.


Yeah...for the majority it has always been that people underplay their illness/sickness, especially if you were aware of the stigma associated with a certain disease.
RE: RE: I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11895135 RC02XX said:
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In comment 11895121 steve in ky said:


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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.



Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.


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The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.
RE: RE: RE: I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:43 am : link
In comment 11895155 steve in ky said:
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In comment 11895135 RC02XX said:


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In comment 11895121 steve in ky said:


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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.



Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.





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The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.



Thanks, steve. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say he was "working" with them (that makes it sound like he was in the midst of numerous Ebola infected patients) as much as he was in direct contact with someone with the disease. Either case, he definitely put himself in grave risk during his visit.
RE: And, conversely, sick patients with potentially deadly illnesses  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 11895142 kickerpa16 said:
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now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.
In what world would someone having just returned from helping dying Ebola patients in Africa who gets sick enough to go to the hospital not mention that fact along with having been there?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:49 am : link
In comment 11895162 RC02XX said:
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In comment 11895155 steve in ky said:


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In comment 11895135 RC02XX said:


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In comment 11895121 steve in ky said:


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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.



Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.





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The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.





Thanks, steve. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say he was "working" with them (that makes it sound like he was in the midst of numerous Ebola infected patients) as much as he was in direct contact with someone with the disease. Either case, he definitely put himself in grave risk during his visit.

Transporting, working, helping, however you choose to describe it I find it impossible to believe he would choose to skip that part of the story when telling the ER staff he was in Africa.
RE: RE: And, conversely, sick patients with potentially deadly illnesses  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11895173 steve in ky said:
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In comment 11895142 kickerpa16 said:


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now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.

In what world would someone having just returned from helping dying Ebola patients in Africa who gets sick enough to go to the hospital not mention that fact along with having been there?


The world that we live in?

What's the staple of the medical profession? People are hesitant to go to the doctors and divulge very personal information that could be a death sentence. People wait too long and give far too little.

Happens with: HIV, STD's, Ebola, etc.

Most people are not forthcoming about their medical history. He's coming from an area where people are killing others if they say "Ebola". And the fact that the newspaper article wouldn't mention this explicitly, when they have the "gotcha" moment of this century?

Yeah. He's likely not in the very small minority of being the few who report everything.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:52 am : link
In comment 11895178 steve in ky said:
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Transporting, working, helping, however you choose to describe it I find it impossible to believe he would choose to skip that part of the story when telling the ER staff he was in Africa.


And this goes back to what kicker stated in his 10:37 post. Also, did the guy know that the pregnant woman was suffering from Ebola and died from it? I think a lot of speculation is being made on what his rationale was, etc.
Well I am not going to argue about it, so my last point  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 11:04 am : link
The article states that she was suffering from it. I assume that the Times didn't immediately track down and find out who this unknown dead pregnant woman was and then also uncover that she had Ebola after the fact that he is now sick. It is much more likely he conveyed that information to someone and who the reporter got it from. Him not having any idea at all and it was only The Times piecing this together only days after it is reported he is sick is only plausible if you are looking for ways to apologize for the ER's goof.

RE: Well I am not going to argue about it, so my last point  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 11:13 am : link
In comment 11895215 steve in ky said:
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The article states that she was suffering from it. I assume that the Times didn't immediately track down and find out who this unknown dead pregnant woman was and then also uncover that she had Ebola after the fact that he is now sick. It is much more likely he conveyed that information to someone and who the reporter got it from. Him not having any idea at all and it was only The Times piecing this together only days after it is reported he is sick is only plausible if you are looking for ways to apologize for the ER's goof.


Who said apologize? It was an ER goof. An incomplete history is not an unusual occurrence for a number of reasons.

We, the general public, will never see a complete crib sheet because of HIPAA.

Hell, it took the RYAN WHITE law before medical facilities were permitted to notify first responders that they had been in contact with an infectious disease patient.
RE: Well I am not going to argue about it, so my last point  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 11:16 am : link
In comment 11895215 steve in ky said:
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The article states that she was suffering from it. I assume that the Times didn't immediately track down and find out who this unknown dead pregnant woman was and then also uncover that she had Ebola after the fact that he is now sick. It is much more likely he conveyed that information to someone and who the reporter got it from. Him not having any idea at all and it was only The Times piecing this together only days after it is reported he is sick is only plausible if you are looking for ways to apologize for the ER's goof.


Oh please. Where did I absolve the ER in this? If you want to be critical of an argument, at least don't distort it because you don't like that it goes against yours.

People are so ready to criticize with rudimentary understandings of an incredibly complex and dynamic environment.

So, what, you're ready to ascribe singular fault to the ER, and yet then believe in the fact that this person, coming from W. Africa and seeing what happens when you declare you have Ebola, openly expressed his direct contact with the disease?

OK.
Here is a link  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 11:19 am : link
that deals with notification procedures.
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Posted this in another thread but I think it is more relevant here  
Dr Knockboots : 10/2/2014 11:20 am : link
Something is up with the CDC...

My wife works in the ER of a major hospital in NJ. She believes that there is something very fishy going on with this Texas hospital situation and the drips and drabs of details we are receiving.

Weeks ago, a patient showed up to the ER of her hospital with flu like symptoms. As is the custom -- ALWAYS -- they took the patient's travel history. He responded that he had just flown in from Liberia days earlier. News of African Ebola outbreaks had been around for weeks. So, immediately, they contacted the CDC for further instructions because the potential for an Ebola case automatically comes within the scope of the CDC's authority. The CDC's directive? Treat the patient for flu and send him home. After explicit requests for authority to conduct a test for Ebola, the CDC rejected them, saying that the person was "low risk." No further explanation. Of course, the doctor and the rest of the staff documented the hell out of this case, and sent him on his way.

We have not heard much from the Texas hospital. I cannot fathom that they did not -- as is patently obvious to all of us armchair medical professions -- contact the CDC immediately upon seeing that an African visitor with flu-like symptoms just flew in from Liberia. Every ER professional is hyper aware of Ebola and the likelihood that a patient with it will show up on their doorstep. Also, there's no way that someone in the ER did not know (or care to find out) whether Sierra Leone was in West Africa or that West Africa has been an Ebola hotbed for weeks/months. What the real story is here, I do not know, but something does not add up.
IMO  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 11:21 am : link
Since it kills something like 50% of the people who get it he would be scared to death and wouldn't keep it a secret from the doctors he was seeking help from.

But we will just have to agree to disagree, this is going in circles.
I'm not buying the officials' explanation  
Dr Knockboots : 10/2/2014 11:27 am : link
And neither does Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN:

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'They dropped the ball'

On September 24, four days after he arrived in Dallas from Liberia, Duncan started feeling symptoms. That day is significant because that's when he started being contagious.

Late the following night, he went to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas with a low-grade fever and abdominal pain, the hospital said.

Duncan told a nurse he had been in Africa.
But "regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team," said Dr. Mark Lester, executive vice president of Texas Health Resources. Duncan was sent home with painkillers and antibiotics, only to return in worse condition on September 28. That's when he was isolated.

"It was a mistake. They dropped the ball," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said of the miscommunication at the hospital.

"You don't want to pile on them, but hopefully this will never happen again. ... The CDC has been vigorously emphasizing the need for a travel history."

Gupta said this mishap doesn't make sense.

"A nurse did ask the question, and he did respond that he was in Liberia, and that wasn't transmitted to people who were in charge of his care," he said. "There's no excuse for this." And one of Duncan's friends said he was the one who contacted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention with concerns that the hospital wasn't moving quickly enough after Duncan's second hospital visit.
But the hospital said the patient's condition "did not warrant admission" last week.

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.....  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 11:30 am : link
"What the real story is here, I do not know, but something does not add up."

Haven't seen a response yet that disputes that.

You know then, with privacy laws, we will never be able to do more than speculate.

How many thousands of in-service hours have been spent on infectious disease intake protocol?

Talk between medical professionals and between general public will occur on different levels.
No one is saying they can crack the case  
Dr Knockboots : 10/2/2014 11:36 am : link
I'm just using specific anecdotes to show that the CDC is acting strangely and, now, there may be some sort of cover-up involved, pinning it on low-level hospital personnel. I'm also commenting that I do not believe the official accounts at all. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I think that the details being offered with respect to his intake and discharge are straight up lies and that scares me.
They called for the Director of Secret Service head..  
Canton : 10/2/2014 11:38 am : link
The CDC next?

What a clusterfuck.
I'm just commenting  
Semipro Lineman : 10/2/2014 11:39 am : link
here to admire the fact that a poster with the screenname Dr Knockboots is commenting on a medical issue thread...
RE: RE: Well I am not going to argue about it, so my last point  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 11:53 am : link
In comment 11895248 kickerpa16 said:
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In comment 11895215 steve in ky said:


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The article states that she was suffering from it. I assume that the Times didn't immediately track down and find out who this unknown dead pregnant woman was and then also uncover that she had Ebola after the fact that he is now sick. It is much more likely he conveyed that information to someone and who the reporter got it from. Him not having any idea at all and it was only The Times piecing this together only days after it is reported he is sick is only plausible if you are looking for ways to apologize for the ER's goof.




Oh please. Where did I absolve the ER in this? If you want to be critical of an argument, at least don't distort it because you don't like that it goes against yours.

People are so ready to criticize with rudimentary understandings of an incredibly complex and dynamic environment.

So, what, you're ready to ascribe singular fault to the ER, and yet then believe in the fact that this person, coming from W. Africa and seeing what happens when you declare you have Ebola, openly expressed his direct contact with the disease?

OK.

I am not the one distorting things, Where did I say you absolved them of anything. I did accuse you of being apologetic, which you were.

adjective: apologetic

regretfully acknowledging or excusing an offense or failure.
Oh boy. While you have an uncanny ability to find  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 12:05 pm : link
the definitions of words on the internet, I'm well aware of what it means.

I'll break it down simply why you distorted my words (since I wasn't being apologetic, nor excusing their failure).

I never excused them. Instead, I pointed out the significant folly in posing a mono-causal explanation as a failure by the ER. I pointed out that, quite often, extraneous information will be discarded if it's not deemed relevant to the diagnosis. And that this is often good in "most cases".

Now, what part of that isn't clear? The fact that I'm allowing for this to be a fuck up, since it didn't work in this case? Or the fact that this diagnosis strategy is useful because it allows for timely and quick responses to patients in need?

In case it wasn't clear, you can go back and re-read my 10:21. If that's being apologetic, perhaps you used the wrong definition?

Where, precisely, am I excusing a failure? If pointing out why these methods are used is excusing a failure, then perhaps a new word needs to be created.
If you knew the definition  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 12:15 pm : link
why change it to absolved then, which has an entirely different meaning?

This is just getting silly. I pointed out that I think they goofed whether you agree with me or take exception to that is fine. Whether I think it sounds like you were making excuses for the ER staff in doing so is irrelevant and should be equally fine. It's not that big a deal.
Because excusing an action is synonymous  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 12:20 pm : link
with absolving them of blame?

Believe it or not, you can use synonyms.

You chose to be facetious, and I simply countered you didn't understand what I was saying, even though it's right there...
Or we have different opinions  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 12:22 pm : link
OK, you are right and I am wrong. Happy now?
I don't give a fuck about being right.  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 12:24 pm : link
I do mind when people willfully mis-represent a rather simple point, and keep doing so.
Not just the pregnant woman  
buford : 10/2/2014 12:26 pm : link
but two other people in that house in Liberia died from Ebola. I wouldn't be surprised that this guy got the heck out of there and back to the US thinking either he wouldn't get infected or if he was, would have a better chance of being treated successfully in the US.
In fact, people with your opinion could  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 12:26 pm : link
have coupled my post (in the vein that Dr. Knockboots is getting at) with the desire for either more medical professionals in the ER temporarily (during these outbreaks) so that this information is less likely to be glossed over.

Or explicit recommendations that certain indicators (Africa, or recent traveler) should have more extensive documentation histories by a hospital.
But, as I mentioned in my post, rarely do people  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 12:28 pm : link
have any idea what goes on in an ER, and think that this is a simple slip-up, when it's incredibly complex.
oiy  
GeneInCal : 10/2/2014 12:52 pm : link
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I just heard on the radio news  
buford : 10/2/2014 1:07 pm : link
that Liberia will press charges against Duncan who apparently lied on his travel form before leaving the country.
Here is the story.  
manh george : 10/2/2014 1:41 pm : link
Yes, they are claiming he lied, and will charge him.

Liberia and other countries, it seems, are fighting to avoid becoming a huge quarantine zone. The consequences for northwest African economies is already dire. They don't need cowards like him to make it worse.
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RE: I just heard on the radio news  
spike : 10/2/2014 2:11 pm : link
In comment 11895501 buford said:
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that Liberia will press charges against Duncan who apparently lied on his travel form before leaving the country.


The likelihood of him surviving this in the US is far greater than in Liberia.

This won't be the only instance either.
yep.  
sb2003 : 10/2/2014 2:15 pm : link
The CDC is surely on top of things.
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Yup  
manh george : 10/2/2014 2:29 pm : link
They are lying right there on top of the dirty sheets.
no big secret  
giantfanboy : 10/2/2014 4:21 pm : link
just google texas healthcare system
it is worst in the nation
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