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DanMetroMan : 9/30/2014 4:59 pm
CDC: Ebola confirmed in Dallas patient

A patient in a Dallas hospital has been confirmed to have the Ebola virus, News 8 has learned.Read on wfaa.& #8203;com

From WFAA:

In a statement issued Tuesday night, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas said the patient was admitted based on symptoms and "recent travel history."

The hospital, located at Greenville Avenue and Walnut Hill Lane in northeast Dallas, said it's complying with all recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and the Texas Department of Health to ensure the safety of other patients and medical staff.
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Would some...  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 10:31 am : link
of you hysterical morons read a fucking book? Please?
Why?  
Pork and Beans : 10/1/2014 10:46 am : link
Does reading affect the spread of the virus?
RE: Would some...  
Go Terps : 10/1/2014 10:52 am : link
In comment 11893214 Chris in Philly said:
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of you hysterical morons read a fucking book? Please?


Sounds like something someone with Ebola would say...
No...but hopefully it slows the spread of stupidity?  
RC02XX : 10/1/2014 10:52 am : link
...
I've come up with this handy chart for the nervous nellies  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2014 12:03 pm : link
RE: I've come up with this handy chart for the nervous nellies  
Jon from PA : 10/1/2014 12:05 pm : link
In comment 11893482 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Cam is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
It's time to grant that secession that some in Texas have wanted  
Bramton1 : 10/1/2014 12:25 pm : link
There's no ebola in the U.S! That's Texas, dude!
sb2003  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/1/2014 12:45 pm : link
"On a side note the TSA agents in charge of pat downs and checking people must be freaking out. The fun times of grabbing tits and balls might soon be over."

Why. Every time I'm patted down, defibrillator, the wear gloves. That's basically all the protection they need to prevent contamination.
I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
drkenneth : 10/1/2014 1:08 pm : link
my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.
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Britt in VA : 10/1/2014 1:10 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


What kind of honeymoon is that?

-Osi
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Rob in NYC : 10/1/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


Sounds awful.

- Cam and Davisian
agh  
Rob in NYC : 10/1/2014 1:12 pm : link
fuck you Britt!
RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 1:23 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


While you're gone, Fluffy will be busy sealing our borders. Goodbye forever, good doctor.
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RC02XX : 10/1/2014 1:29 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


With you chance of dying of Ebola infection at 50/50 in the US, I can just assume that the rate is far higher in Africa. Definitely stay away from feces.
and this is when it gets real  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/1/2014 1:41 pm : link
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Some school-age children have been in contact with the Ebola patient being treated in Dallas, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said today.

They have been identified and are being monitored for symptoms, he said.


Just say no to feces.  
drkenneth : 10/1/2014 1:42 pm : link
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A possible second infection  
sb2003 : 10/1/2014 2:20 pm : link
A second person is being closely monitored that was in contact with the initial infected person.

I suspect we'll here of a number of people soon.
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Link from  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/1/2014 2:48 pm : link
where TTH's chart comes from.
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RE: I leaving for Tanzania on 10/12 for  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/1/2014 5:25 pm : link
In comment 11893643 drkenneth said:
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my honeymoon. I don't plan on touching anyone's feces.


So was this a recent decision? No sense of adventure
Now they have 5 kids in isolation  
bxgiants4 : 10/1/2014 7:04 pm : link
Bc we allowed this guy to travel from west Africa. Idiots
5 kids in 4 different schools exposed  
Canton : 10/1/2014 7:19 pm : link
Is this guy a civilian or a terrorist. WTF.
Here is an article with more details about this case  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 7:08 am : link
The hospital really dropped the ball when they released him the fist time.
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The Dallas patient had initially sought treatment at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital late last Thursday and was sent home with antibiotics rather than being observed further, even though he told a nurse he had recently returned from West Africa. By Sunday, he needed an ambulance to return to the same hospital, where he was admitted.

A nurse asked about the travel as part of a triage checklist and was told about it. “Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said....



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Two days after he was sent home from a Dallas hospital, the man who is the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States was seen vomiting on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance.....

"His whole family was screaming. He got outside and he was throwing up all over the place," resident Mesud Osmanovic, 21, said on Wednesday, describing the chaotic scene before the man was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday where he is in serious condition....

Just wonderful


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Well, the ambulance crew may have been in contact  
ZogZerg : 10/2/2014 7:39 am : link
along with the kids and the 4 different schools they go to.

So far up to 20 have been exposed  
Canton : 10/2/2014 8:02 am : link
That they know of....
Kinda but not really Jamaica Hospital 20 years ago.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2014 8:36 am : link
When [Dr. Daniel] Bausch was in Sierra Leone last month, he said all the nurses went on strike in one of the hospitals where he was working. "There were 55 people in the Ebola ward," he said, "and myself and one other doctor."

He'd walk into the hospital in the morning and find patients on the floor in pools of vomit, blood, and stool. They had fallen out of their beds during the night, and they were delirious. "What should happen is that a nursing staff or sanitation officer would come and decontaminate the area," he said. "But when you don't have that support, obviously it gets more dangerous." So the disease spreads.
RE: So far up to 20 have been exposed  
natefit : 10/2/2014 9:07 am : link
In comment 11894785 Canton said:
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That they know of....


Make that 80.
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The natefit  
Rob in NYC : 10/2/2014 9:10 am : link
Alert system must be pegged to the red!
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ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 9:16 am : link
In comment 11894895 natefit said:
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That they know of....



Make that 80. Link - ( New Window )


If you read the article, they are being monitored. That doesn't mean they were exposed to anything.

Remember, it's not airborne transmittable.

This is the exact reason that it won't spread.
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steve in ky : 10/2/2014 9:18 am : link
In comment 11894895 natefit said:
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That they know of....



Make that 80. Link - ( New Window )


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None has shown symptoms, and all are being given educational materials, Neroes said.

None of the 80 has been quarantined, Neroes said. However, Dallas County health officials have ordered four close relatives of the patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, to stay home and not have any visitors until at least October 19.


Hopefully they took care of that vomit  
buford : 10/2/2014 9:29 am : link
I heard that the family is in isolation and being monitored. Also, the virus can survive on surfaces up to 6 days, depending on the temperature, but can be neutralized by household bleach. Also, it can survive in sperm up to 7 weeks after recovery from infection. YEAH!!!!
Perhaps the people that want to blame the ER staff  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:13 am : link
should, at one point or another, follow an ER doctor/nurse around.

Quite often, extraneous material like that becomes ignored, and for good reason in most of the cases.
kicker  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:16 am : link
I assume they dropped the ball because they themselves seem to indicate they did.

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“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said....
Steve  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:21 am : link
I never said anything about people not fucking up.

I was pointing out that, to make it through the stream of patients and provide adequate care, a lot of information given by the patients is tossed aside (or given nothing more than a cursory thought). Most of the times, it's for good reasons (which, again, why I said "most").

Plus, it's a hospital administrator making that message. It's about as boilerplate as it gets.
It's not just about blame  
buford : 10/2/2014 10:27 am : link
but we are being told that 'it cant' happen here' because all these protocols are in place. Except they aren't. I would think any ER would see a man from Africa with fever and immediately think Ebola, I know many ERs have. I'm not sure why this one didn't.
RE: kicker  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 10:27 am : link
In comment 11895063 steve in ky said:
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I assume they dropped the ball because they themselves seem to indicate they did.



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“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said....



Yeah, they should have caught it, but understand why that information was lost in the diagnoses/treatment chain.
RE: It's not just about blame  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:30 am : link
In comment 11895103 buford said:
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but we are being told that 'it cant' happen here' because all these protocols are in place. Except they aren't. I would think any ER would see a man from Africa with fever and immediately think Ebola, I know many ERs have. I'm not sure why this one didn't.


Yes, widespread contagion won't happen here, because of the procedures in place.

That says nothing about individual cases. Any theory that espouse that something can be stopped with 0 cases is espoused by someone who's not operating with a full deck.
I would imagine the man was pretty scared  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:31 am : link
about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.
Whoa. The news article only says that he "mentioned he had  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:35 am : link
recently returned from West Africa (a pretty large place, and not all with Ebola, by the way).

That's a very large jump to "he told people he was taking care of people with Ebola". That's routinely on the checklist of ER personnel to help provide others with info.
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RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:36 am : link
In comment 11895121 steve in ky said:
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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.


Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.
And, conversely, sick patients with potentially deadly illnesses  
kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:37 am : link
now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.
RE: It's not just about blame  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11895103 buford said:
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but we are being told that 'it cant' happen here' because all these protocols are in place. Except they aren't. I would think any ER would see a man from Africa with fever and immediately think Ebola, I know many ERs have. I'm not sure why this one didn't.


We don't know who was taking the history. Could have been some medical student doing their clinical. With the ignorance of geography today, Sierra Leone could have been a town in ND.

Someone said the EMS personnel. I haven't seen a report that this patient was transported by EMS.

I assumed it was a POV (privately owned vehicle) transport.
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RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11895142 kickerpa16 said:
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now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.


Yeah...for the majority it has always been that people underplay their illness/sickness, especially if you were aware of the stigma associated with a certain disease.
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steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11895135 RC02XX said:
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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.



Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.


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The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.
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RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:43 am : link
In comment 11895155 steve in ky said:
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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.



Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.





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The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.



Thanks, steve. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say he was "working" with them (that makes it sound like he was in the midst of numerous Ebola infected patients) as much as he was in direct contact with someone with the disease. Either case, he definitely put himself in grave risk during his visit.
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steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 11895142 kickerpa16 said:
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now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.
In what world would someone having just returned from helping dying Ebola patients in Africa who gets sick enough to go to the hospital not mention that fact along with having been there?
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steve in ky : 10/2/2014 10:49 am : link
In comment 11895162 RC02XX said:
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about the possibility of he having contracted it and likely didn't casually say he has returned from Africa like it was from a vacation, but would have told them he had been working with sick Ebola patients.



Wait...he was working with Ebola patients? I haven't really followed the specifics of this case, so I wasn't aware that he was working with Ebola patients in Africa.





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The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.





Thanks, steve. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say he was "working" with them (that makes it sound like he was in the midst of numerous Ebola infected patients) as much as he was in direct contact with someone with the disease. Either case, he definitely put himself in grave risk during his visit.

Transporting, working, helping, however you choose to describe it I find it impossible to believe he would choose to skip that part of the story when telling the ER staff he was in Africa.
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kickerpa16 : 10/2/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11895173 steve in ky said:
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now tell medical professionals about their diagnosis?

That goes against the grain of what's been reported, historically and currently. People fear the diagnosis, people fear the community reaction to their diagnosis, people act as if they don't have it, and people generally try to avoid divulging that information.

For fuck's sake, only until recently has telling other people about HIV infections become more mainstream.

In what world would someone having just returned from helping dying Ebola patients in Africa who gets sick enough to go to the hospital not mention that fact along with having been there?


The world that we live in?

What's the staple of the medical profession? People are hesitant to go to the doctors and divulge very personal information that could be a death sentence. People wait too long and give far too little.

Happens with: HIV, STD's, Ebola, etc.

Most people are not forthcoming about their medical history. He's coming from an area where people are killing others if they say "Ebola". And the fact that the newspaper article wouldn't mention this explicitly, when they have the "gotcha" moment of this century?

Yeah. He's likely not in the very small minority of being the few who report everything.
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RC02XX : 10/2/2014 10:52 am : link
In comment 11895178 steve in ky said:
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Transporting, working, helping, however you choose to describe it I find it impossible to believe he would choose to skip that part of the story when telling the ER staff he was in Africa.


And this goes back to what kicker stated in his 10:37 post. Also, did the guy know that the pregnant woman was suffering from Ebola and died from it? I think a lot of speculation is being made on what his rationale was, etc.
Well I am not going to argue about it, so my last point  
steve in ky : 10/2/2014 11:04 am : link
The article states that she was suffering from it. I assume that the Times didn't immediately track down and find out who this unknown dead pregnant woman was and then also uncover that she had Ebola after the fact that he is now sick. It is much more likely he conveyed that information to someone and who the reporter got it from. Him not having any idea at all and it was only The Times piecing this together only days after it is reported he is sick is only plausible if you are looking for ways to apologize for the ER's goof.

RE: Well I am not going to argue about it, so my last point  
ctc in ftmyers : 10/2/2014 11:13 am : link
In comment 11895215 steve in ky said:
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The article states that she was suffering from it. I assume that the Times didn't immediately track down and find out who this unknown dead pregnant woman was and then also uncover that she had Ebola after the fact that he is now sick. It is much more likely he conveyed that information to someone and who the reporter got it from. Him not having any idea at all and it was only The Times piecing this together only days after it is reported he is sick is only plausible if you are looking for ways to apologize for the ER's goof.


Who said apologize? It was an ER goof. An incomplete history is not an unusual occurrence for a number of reasons.

We, the general public, will never see a complete crib sheet because of HIPAA.

Hell, it took the RYAN WHITE law before medical facilities were permitted to notify first responders that they had been in contact with an infectious disease patient.
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