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How much of the "improved" oline is simply quicker throws?

Josh in the City : 9/30/2014 5:45 pm

I know there's been a lot of talk about how well the oline has played recently and while I don't want to take away from their accomplishment, I wonder how much of the improved play is simply due to the fact that Eli is getting the ball out significantly quicker in this new offense. According to PFF below is the amount of time it has taken Eli to get rid of the ball:

Lions: 2.3 seconds
Cardinals: 2.6 seconds
Redskins: 2.07 seconds

I wasn't able to find this stat for the Houston game but his average so far this season is at 2.27 seconds so do the math. In comparison, last year Eli averaged 2.73 seconds to throw which is quite a big difference. PFF has been tracking this stat for three years now and the lowest amount of time ever tracked over a full season was 2.36 seconds.

You can see there has been quite a significant emphasis on getting the ball out quickly in this offense. So while the offensive line may well be improved, I think a lot of the pass protection has to do with the offense that McAdoo installed this season (which I love).

Now all that being said, the run blocking has been pretty damn good as well so you can take all the above with a grain of salt if you like. Whatever has caused the improved play, I hope to see it continue!

Certainly helps

Big Blue '56 : 9/30/2014 5:47 pm : link

The middle of the line is key

Reale01 : 9/30/2014 5:52 pm : link

They are not getting pushed back like last year. Eli doesn't have to drop as deep. The tackles can push their men behind Eli. Getting it out quicker helps, but the line is much better than last year.

No huddle,

ctc in ftmyers : 9/30/2014 5:53 pm : link

not necessarily fast pace and the running game working, solves a lot of problems.

Look how they handled Watts.

A whole lot of pieces coming together.

combination of factors.

It definitely helps

robbieballs2003 : 9/30/2014 5:55 pm : link

However, when teams are stunting we don't look like a junior high team chasing individual players. They are seeing it and passing the defenders to the proper teammate while picking up the appropriate defender. There is much more cohesion and an understanding of their responsibility.

All good stuff. Improved O-line play comes from many things

Jimmy Googs : 9/30/2014 5:58 pm : link

including shorter routes, better running game, shorter down/distances on 3rd down, spreading the ball around the field, etc.

With all that said, the Giants will be starting the same five Offensive Lineman for the 5th game in a row.

I can't recall if the team had the same line for more than 2 games in a row last season.

who was it that averaged 2.36

pjcas18 : 9/30/2014 6:02 pm : link

seconds, the quickest ever in PFF history, and how successful were they the season they did it?

If not successful, then maybe it proves it's not all the release time, but it doesn't hurt.

I agree with Robbie

mrvax : 9/30/2014 6:08 pm : link

I do remember that it's been said if an Oline can give an NFL QB 3.5 seconds, he will find an open receiver. It's nice to see the ball come out early but it does negate the longer stuff.

Robbie: I grew up in Bay Shore. Lived just off Brentwood Rd. near the SS Mall. 1960-1981.

Good 'ol Bayshore.

Big Blue '56 : 9/30/2014 6:16 pm : link

My favorite seafood place was Porky's and Glenn's..The Drunken owner, Porky(Richard Pokorney) added a nice touch..:)

RE: I agree with Robbie

dorgan : 9/30/2014 6:16 pm : link

In comment 11892291 mrvax said:

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Robbie: I grew up in Bay Shore. Lived just off Brentwood Rd. near the SS Mall. 1960-1981.

do you like pina coladas?
Walks in the rain?

RE: RE: I agree with Robbie

Big Blue '56 : 9/30/2014 6:18 pm : link

In comment 11892302 dorgan said:

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In comment 11892291 mrvax said:

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Robbie: I grew up in Bay Shore. Lived just off Brentwood Rd. near the SS Mall. 1960-1981.

do you like pina coladas?
Walks in the rain?

Anything against one-legged whores?

RE: RE: RE: I agree with Robbie

mrvax : 9/30/2014 6:38 pm : link

In comment 11892307 Big Blue '56 said:

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Anything against one-legged whores?

Nah. Saw them all the time in Hunts Point.

If a defender hasn't reach a QB by 2.5 secs I guarantee there is

Mason : 9/30/2014 6:47 pm : link

illegal holding going on somewhere at that LOS. One of the best moves was to make officials to start calling it more.

It is a significant

PaulBlakeTSU : 9/30/2014 6:55 pm : link

contribution to the appearance of an improved O-line. The O-line doesn't have to protect Eli or keep a pocket for as long, and I think just knowing that may give them more confidence as to their ability to handle the task.

But I do think the Oline has improved independently of the scheme. They are developing cohesion and there is better, healthier personnel on the line. They are simply better than last year.

However, if we still had last year's scheme that relied on longer-developing routes and draws, we would be still very concerned about the line.

But that is what is a great fit about this scheme-- it limits the team's exposure.

I'd attribute it far more to this line combination

WeatherMan : 9/30/2014 6:57 pm : link

consistently getting time playing together. This grouping did not stabilize until the very end of camp due to injuries and flat out figuring out who was capable of playing where. Now that they have 5 weeks of building rapport and trust in the guy(s) next to you it looks a helluva lot better. The offensive line is not a plug and play position, and when you are changing your entire interior group that gets magnified even more.

haha

robbieballs2003 : 9/30/2014 6:57 pm : link

I come back for OL talk and see some great posts.

I'm sure the quicker release helps

Johnny5 : 9/30/2014 7:10 pm : link

I mean it has to help.

But I have to say, the OL was looking really very noticeably nasty against Washington. They seemed way more aggressive and just looking to lay the wood. They were playing with an edge that game that I haven't seen from any of our offensive lineman in a long while. Rebuilt Confidence maybe?

Less holding calls have been called on the Giants too�.

Simms11 : 9/30/2014 7:10 pm : link

but I do see some physical line play - just beating the Dline mano a mano!

RE: who was it that averaged 2.36

Bleedin Blue : 9/30/2014 7:17 pm : link

In comment 11892282 pjcas18 said:

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seconds, the quickest ever in PFF history, and how successful were they the season they did it?

If not successful, then maybe it proves it's not all the release time, but it doesn't hurt.

It wasn't Warner when he was with the G-Men!! I swear he was still holding onto the ball after the game!

Having professional running backs (unlike like last year)

djm : 9/30/2014 8:31 pm : link

Certainly helps.

And richburg. And Beatty. And Walton at center. And Pugh being a year older and better. And even jerry. Every position along the OL is better than last year.

The OL is more talented. The Rbs are more talented. The scheme is helping..all the above.

Have to think

lecky : 9/30/2014 8:33 pm : link

a big part of offensive line improvement has to do with Eli not snapping the ball with 1 second left on the play clock. That has to give the D Lineman a huge advantage.

stretch234 : 9/30/2014 8:44 pm : link

They pushed around both Was & Hou DL. Quicker throws certainly are 1 aspect, but the interior of the OL is not getting pushed back. Eli can actually step up and throw.

Others have mentioned the fact that they actually know how to pick up stunts this year as opposed to last year.

They should keep this up and dominate the Falcons DL

An effective running game

RobCarpenter : 9/30/2014 9:20 pm : link

Is a huge part of what makes the passing game work.

It's still a work in progress,

Doomster : 9/30/2014 9:53 pm : link

but it's progressing......teams are finding that Eli gets rid of the ball quickly, so blitzing actually helps Eli, opening up lanes on the quick hitters....

But the running game has really picked up, providing balance to the offense......I never expected them to get this far this quick.....Eli is looking more comfortable back there....getting rid of the ball quickly, certainly helps this line.....these short passes have opened up the deep ball, which Eli just missed on a couple times in the last game....as the line becomes more cohesive, that long ball will be there....

Agree Doomster

mrvax : 9/30/2014 11:22 pm : link

I figured they'd get better with time but I've seen steady improvement each game. Game #1 was a failure. Game #2 the Oline did fairly well, game #3 they did well. Game #4 and they played very good.

Hey, if they keep this up, they'll be the best Oline in the NFL by week 8. LOL. We needed this from those guys.

I hope Coughlin is coaching Jerry up about the need to play every down as best you can. He should also tell them how proud he and the BBI posters are of them.

How much is the line?

Great White Ghost : 10/1/2014 1:21 am : link

Well, I think we can all agree Pugh in his 20th game is better than Pugh in his 4th game. I think we can alos agree wWill beatty, the #1 ranked LT in the NFL right now is playing better than this time last year. I think it's also easy to say Jerry to this point has done better than what we had at RG last year through the first 4 winless games.

You can argue that Bass was better than Walton at center, but I don't thjink he was. You can argue Boother was better than Richburg has been but I don't think he has.

3 of 5 lineman clearly are better. I would argue all 5 are to this point.

RE: I agree with Robbie

santacruzom : 10/1/2014 2:54 am : link

In comment 11892291 mrvax said:

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I do remember that it's been said if an Oline can give an NFL QB 3.5 seconds, he will find an open receiver.

3.5 seconds?!? What defense is this o line playing against? Vanderbilt's?

They were opening large holes for running game.

shabu : 10/1/2014 10:01 am : link

They were opening large holes in the running game too... so while time to get rid of ball helps, its not the whole story..

Interesting point however !

RE: I agree with Robbie

nicky43 : 10/1/2014 10:34 am : link

In comment 11892291 mrvax said:

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I grew up in Islip, one town east of Bay Shore. Small world!

the thing I find heartening about the play of our O-line is...

Torrag : 10/1/2014 11:00 am : link

they've faced well thought of defensive units and barring the Week 1 debacle have handled their business. Considering the limited time they've had together to gel and develop chemistry it bodes well for the group.

All of the above

Spyder : 10/1/2014 11:30 am : link

are major factors no doubt. Everything working together like a finely tuned engine. Getting the ball out quick means the OL only have to maintain their blocks for 2.5 seconds or less. That means they are fresher late in the game when the yards gained are more critical.

Success in the running game also helps in so many ways. For instance, defensive lineman have to respect the run, giving the OL that extra millisecond to get their feet set.

Add to all that a TE that can attack the seam on a quick release and 2013 is so last year already.

Even Boomer Esiason (that turkey) noticed. He said the Giants are "going to the playoffs" this AM.