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NFT: Citizen Kane or Casablanca?

Anakim : 9/30/2014 9:06 pm
Which do you like better? Which is the better film? Who'd win in a fight: Rick Blaine or Charles Foster Kane? Are there wrong answers? There's always that one guy who'll say that one is overrated.
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Never seen Citizen Kane  
djl8699 : 9/30/2014 9:10 pm : link
But I love me some Casablanca. First time I watched it I expected it to be a sappy love story and was pleased to see how surprisingly funny it is.
CK  
natefit : 9/30/2014 9:11 pm : link
by a mile. CB is vastly overrated - its not even close to the best Bogie movie imo.
Citizen Kane  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/30/2014 9:12 pm : link
is a tremendous piece of art. And I understand what makes it such an important film historically. But it's a bit boring.

If I were given the option of watching either film, I'd pick Casablanca without hesitation.
Does anyone really like Citizen Kane?  
SB : 9/30/2014 9:13 pm : link
I mean, apart from film students?
I enjoy Casablanca more, but Kane is a classic.  
yatqb : 9/30/2014 9:13 pm : link
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Citizen Kane  
Beezer : 9/30/2014 9:13 pm : link
can be found as the No. 1 film of all time on some lists.

Is there another question?
What Osi said  
GMenLTS : 9/30/2014 9:14 pm : link
I appreciate CK for all that it is but when I get the urge for a classic, I automatically choose Casablanca first.

12 angry men  
mattlawson : 9/30/2014 9:18 pm : link
...

12 guys in a room talking for 2 hours. Has to be the greatest movie with the smallest budget ever made.
Apples and oranges.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/30/2014 9:19 pm : link
Casablanca is studio entertainment at its best, and great propaganda to boot. Kane is a landmark piece of cinematic art.

It's like comparing Super Bowl XXI to Michelangelo's David.
RE: Apples and oranges.  
chris r : 9/30/2014 9:22 pm : link
In comment 11892528 Big Blue Blogger said:
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It's like comparing Super Bowl XXI to Michelangelo's David.


Don't leave us waiting... what's your pick?
Critics love Kane  
JohnF : 9/30/2014 9:34 pm : link
because of the groundbreaking movie techniques (sound, film focus, etc). The funny thing about that is that Orson Wells credits his preparation for CK to watching John Ford's Stagecoach 40 times! (Wikipedia)

Casablanca was made with the thought of being a "B" movie, but it caught lightning in a bottle, with the perfect story for it's time. Casablanca hits the highlights CK never could, the core of it reaches greater heights. Nothing in CK matches the La Marseillaise scene; the actors who sing in it have fled from the real horrors of Nazi Germany, and you can see it in their tears.

CK is a GREAT story, but I could never relate to Hearst, despite the superb performance by Wells. Casablanca is something greater than the sum of it's parts. Like Rick Blaine said at the end.."Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
Have always enjoyed Casablanca.  
MaineGiantFan : 9/30/2014 9:37 pm : link
CK just doesn't do it for me. Recently watched The Searchers with John Wayne from 1956 or so. Not usually a Western fan but really enjoyed it.
I might watch "Citizen Kane" when it's on, but  
PEEJ : 9/30/2014 9:40 pm : link
I ALWAYS watch "Casablanca" when it's on.
A better question:  
PEEJ : 9/30/2014 9:42 pm : link
"The Magnificent Seven" or "The Great Escape" ?
"That was the greatest shot I've ever seen".  
Gene : 9/30/2014 9:53 pm : link
"The worst! I was aiming at the horse."
I enjoy Casablanca, but Ido t think it's a great film.  
Crispino : 9/30/2014 9:57 pm : link
African Queen, Treasure of the Sierra Madre and Cain Mutiny are better Bogart films, IMO.

I agree with those who find stretches of Citizen Kane a bit boring, but it contains so many incredible images that remain among the best ever put on film.
Casablanca or Kane  
Dylan fan : 9/30/2014 9:57 pm : link
Casablanca by a hair. Just more entertaining & has soooo many great lines & fabulous performances. The groundbreaking cinematography in Kane was exceptional.
umm Ingrid Bergman  
gtt350 : 9/30/2014 10:16 pm : link
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SanFranGiantsFan : 9/30/2014 10:17 pm : link
Casablanca.
Casablanca's the better movie  
Phil in LA : 9/30/2014 10:19 pm : link
Kane is the bigger achievement.
Here's lookin' at  
Pete in MD : 9/30/2014 10:25 pm : link
you, Rosebud,"
Casablanca  
buford : 9/30/2014 10:32 pm : link
Citizen Kane seems campy to me.
Casablanca...  
trueblueinpw : 9/30/2014 10:36 pm : link
So many great lines... Ingrid Bergman.
RE: umm Ingrid Bergman  
Anakim : 9/30/2014 11:17 pm : link
In comment 11892611 gtt350 said:
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Is it just me or does she look exactly like Debra Messing?
I enjoy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/1/2014 12:08 am : link
Casablanca a lot more. Citizen Kane reminds me of Avatar-- I don't necessarily love the movie, but I respect and understand the magnitude of their cinematic achievements
RE: A better question:  
bob in tx : 10/1/2014 12:13 am : link
In comment 11892568 PEEJ said:
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"The Magnificent Seven" or "The Great Escape" ?

I'll never pick one over the other... never
2 overrated black and white movies for douche bags who say "films"  
Davisian : 10/1/2014 12:27 am : link
Hi Cip!

The answer is Slapshot. And Josey Whales.







Citizen Kane is a more important film  
jpkmets : 10/1/2014 12:28 am : link
But I enjoy Casablanca far more.


Would rather watch Key Largo or Big Sleep over it most of the time, though.
Casablanca  
deadkurtrulz : 10/1/2014 12:40 am : link
Bogey as the bitter but reluctant hero is hard to top. And Ingrid Bergman is stunning in black and white.

No explosions. No special effects or nudity. No vulgar language. Casablanca has great acting and that thing that is missing from all Hollywood flicks today. A story.
Citizen Kane for me  
Mason : 10/1/2014 2:10 am : link
While I enjoyed Casablanca more in my younger days.

I know this is off topic but I recently saw a young film critic who reviewed one of my favorite classics "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein" and agreed that this is one of the most underrated classics of cinema. A combination of comedy, drama and horror. Didn't realize it was an inspiration for a lot of modern horror films.

RE: I enjoy Casablanca, but Ido t think it's a great film.  
Mason : 10/1/2014 2:15 am : link
In comment 11892584 Crispino said:
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African Queen, Treasure of the Sierra Madre and Cain Mutiny are better Bogart films, IMO.

I agree with those who find stretches of Citizen Kane a bit boring, but it contains so many incredible images that remain among the best ever put on film.


I agree Treasure of the Sierra Madre is a better Bogart film as is the Maltese Falcon.
Enjoy watching both  
Headhunter : 10/1/2014 7:52 am : link
why one has to be "better" is beyond me. A classic is a classic
They're both great...  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 8:45 am : link
Casablanca is the more "entertaining" film, but Citizen Kane is a monumental achievement. It introduced a tremendous number of cinematic techniques that are taken for granted now but were revolutionary at the time.
both great, but Casablanca is better  
Victor in CT : 10/1/2014 8:57 am : link
......
Watch the scene (opening?)  
Randy in CT : 10/1/2014 9:35 am : link
where the continuous shot lasts over a minute and goes through a window.

I haven't seen Casablanca in a LONG time.
Help me Rick, Help me!  
GiantsUA : 10/1/2014 9:38 am : link
Key Largo is a great film as well, many great lines.

Johnny Rocco wants more!
I think the better question  
yankfan : 10/1/2014 9:46 am : link
Would be "Which would you watch first?" I'd start with CK, marvel in it's cinematography, camera angles, and points of view, then Casablanca for the story, the entertainment, and IB
An interesting perspective  
Bill2 : 10/1/2014 10:02 am : link
We some times think of movies as disposable fluff. Mainly because so so many of them are just that.

My father had just met my mother and was on his way to Europe the following Tuesday morning.

Their last date for two years...Saturday night at a theater in Times Square. Their lives and future up to fate. The movie was new. It was Casablanca. Pretty powerful stuff if viewed from that perspective and in those shoes

The impact of the movie on them rendered CK an artifact.

I do admire CK. Apples and oranges both deserve appreciation.



RE: An interesting perspective  
RC02XX : 10/1/2014 10:21 am : link
In comment 11893169 Bill2 said:
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My father had just met my mother and was on his way to Europe the following Tuesday morning.

Their last date for two years...Saturday night at a theater in Times Square. Their lives and future up to fate. The movie was new. It was Casablanca. Pretty powerful stuff if viewed from that perspective and in those shoes


In answering the OP's question, I think your statement above answers it best. While not a film buff, I can see how Citizen Kane is viewed by many critics and film buffs as one of the greatest movies made (for the same reason as stated above well by many). However, because I'm not a film buff, I base the movies I like on my own personal experiences and how the movie impacts me (similar with books) and less so on how well it's made. And that leads me to picking some shitty movies over much more acclaimed ones, according to my wife...:)

And it's Casablanca for me.
For people unfamiliar...  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 10:34 am : link
with all of Kane's innovations, I recommend you watch it a second time with Roger Ebert's commentary track, which is available on many versions of the DVD and BluRay. It's informative and entertaining.
PEEJ's  
old man : 10/1/2014 12:50 pm : link
first comment.
CASABLANCA: Romance,politics,subtle humor,sexual implication(Bulgarian girl and Louie),mystery, a (somewhat) surprise ending.
If they had thrown in a 'who won the '38 WS?' question or something-sports, sort of, too.
" I'm shocked shocked that there's gambling going on"  
gtt350 : 10/1/2014 1:41 pm : link
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Anakim : 10/1/2014 1:42 pm : link
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Here's your winnings
I'm actually surprised  
section125 : 10/1/2014 2:12 pm : link
there is any question - Casablanca.

What is the most memorable thing from CK - "Rosebud"?

Lots of great lines in Casablanca. "round up the usual suspects..."

I guess that is why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream - everybody ahs different tatses.
RE: 12 angry men  
pmmanning : 10/1/2014 2:48 pm : link
In comment 11892527 mattlawson said:
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12 guys in a room talking for 2 hours. Has to be the greatest movie with the smallest budget ever made.



We're doing the play 12 Angry Men but those only 6 of us so we have to be twice as mean
Overrated movies but I guess real movies had to start somewhere.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/1/2014 4:41 pm : link
Watched CK a while ago and thought it was so fucking boring. Don't know what all the fuss was about. The lame twist/ending?

Casablanca was actually watchable but didn't live up to the over the top hype.

Maybe in their day they were groundbreaking or whatever but that kind of garbage production and acting doesn't fly today. Whoever creates an all time movie list and puts CK number 1 should be punched in the face. Artsy pretentious BS.
I'll take Citizen Kane every time - Rosebud  
PatersonPlank : 10/1/2014 4:41 pm : link
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RE: Overrated movies but I guess real movies had to start somewhere.  
PEEJ : 10/1/2014 4:44 pm : link
In comment 11894112 Giants Fan in Steelers Land said:
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Watched CK a while ago and thought it was so fucking boring. Don't know what all the fuss was about. The lame twist/ending?

Casablanca was actually watchable but didn't live up to the over the top hype.

Maybe in their day they were groundbreaking or whatever but that kind of garbage production and acting doesn't fly today. Whoever creates an all time movie list and puts CK number 1 should be punched in the face. Artsy pretentious BS.


Yeah. Not enough explosions. Or CGI
liked CK but absolutely love Casablanca.  
Shirk130 : 10/1/2014 4:48 pm : link
Every scene is iconic, and it has some of the most memorable lines in movie history. I really like Maltese Falcon, enjoyed African Queen, but Casablanca gets me every time.
RE: Overrated movies but I guess real movies had to start somewhere.  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 5:32 pm : link
In comment 11894112 Giants Fan in Steelers Land said:
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Watched CK a while ago and thought it was so fucking boring. Don't know what all the fuss was about. The lame twist/ending?

Casablanca was actually watchable but didn't live up to the over the top hype.

Maybe in their day they were groundbreaking or whatever but that kind of garbage production and acting doesn't fly today. Whoever creates an all time movie list and puts CK number 1 should be punched in the face. Artsy pretentious BS.


That's a very sophisticated take...
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