from South Bend Tribune article covering ND football ... If Jints could get a draft mulligan, where should they have gone with 1st round pick?
Martin impresses
Zack Martin, Notre Dame's starting left tackle from 2010-13 has made quite an impression to date as a rookie offensive guard in the NFL.
So much so, in fact, that NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt would have drafted the Pinstripe Bowl MVP significantly higher if teams could do a draft do-over.
Martin, whose younger brother Nick is ND’s starting left guard, went 16th to the Cowboys in the real draft last May. The actual top five were 1. Jadeveon Clowney (DE), 2. Greg Robinson (OT), 3. Blake Bortles (QB), 4. Sammy Watkins (WR) and 5. Khalil Mack (OLB).
But in Brandt’s do-over draft, Brandt has Martin going fifth to the Oakland Raiders.
“The Cowboys took a lot of grief from their fans for passing on (Johnny) Manziel,” wrote Brandt, a former Dallas VP of personnel from 1960 to 1988. “And as tempting as it was for owner Jerry Jones to take the Texas A& M quarterback, the Cowboys stuck with their plan of building up their offensive line and took Martin with the 16th overall pick.
“Martin has paid immediate dividends, stepping in at right guard for the Cowboys from Day One. I thought he was a really good player coming out of Notre Dame (No. 14 in my Hot 100), but he has exceeded expectations. His pass protection is excellent, and his presence on the interior of the Cowboys' offensive line has helped them lead the league in rushing at 165.0 yards per game.”
The rest of the hypothetical top five are: 1. Bortles, 2. Jake Matthews (OT), 3. C.J. Mosley (LB) and 4. Watkins.
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You only know what you know at the time you know it, ya know?
ODBJr may be the next Jerry Rice...
And Richburg has looked good so far.
If Beckham pans out, I think Reese did the right thing.
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OBJ play yet but I'm sure the Giants are quite happy with their "Martin"....and his name is Richburg so it's really a non-issue.
Agree 100%. I admit that I wanted Martin, but I wanted to Giants to plug him in at LT and not LG. Since Richburg has shown he's capable at the LG position (at least up to this point in time) it seems to be a wash and obviously more beneficial to the Giants if Beckman turns out to be what the team hopes for.
And Richburg has looked good so far.
If Beckham pans out, I think Reese did the right thing.
Additionally, Beatty, so far, has played much better than expected. So not taking Martin doesn't hurt as bad. If Beckham comes thru than Reese has done the right thing.
You only know what you know at the time you know it, ya know?
ODBJr may be the next Jerry Rice...
4 games in and Reese would already do a do over? Have you watched our 2nd round pick at all?
Amazing how we keep missing out on stud players year after year...
We weren't going to take Martin and Richburg, no chance in hell. And as good as Martin has played, Richburg has looked excellent for us as well with less OL talent surrounding him than Martin has. I really don't know how to compare Martin vs. Richburg yet, but they've been similar caliber players through 4 weeks.
So this comes down to how much better Beckham is than Richardson/Adams/Latimer/Robinson. Through 4 weeks, none of those guys has torn up the league. None of the 4 seem to be outright busts either and all have shown potential, but there's a good chance that Beckham ends up being clearly better than those guys. I've been watching Beckham vids and reading his draft prospect stuff the last couple of weeks, and I'm so excited to get him back.
Amazing how we keep missing out on stud players year after year...
Lol, ain't it though.
We have a future starter at Guard and a potentially game-breaking wideout. What exactly is the issue??
With that, I think we're all going to be happy with an ODB, Richburg, Kennard, Berhe, & Williams haul.
Never mind the fact that Martin is also playing with a slew of other 1st rounders, but we have a LG in Richburg that is improving by the day and looks like a great player. But lets keep harping on us missing out on Martin, who already is on his way to the HOF after 4 games.
Can we wait until we see the guy we drafted over him play ONE snap before we say we should have drafted Martin?
Schwartz because he looked like shit when he WAS healthy.
Again, nothing against Beckham and I hope he becomes a star, but Martin was the guy they should have taken and still taken Richburg in Round 2. Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott redux.
Pretty much.. Not to mention, The Cowboys O line, haven't really been tested, outside of the 49ers. Evaluate Martin, when they go up against, better competition.
No he wouldn't. It would be a dumb move. Martin = good guard and second round receiver. ODB = low first round receiver + Richburg, good guard.
I like Gil Brandt quite a bit, but he is still a Dallas Cowboy at heart, and when he is speaking on anything related to Dallas you just have to take that into consideration. I'm not saying he wouldn't have high praise of Martin regardless, I'm sure he would have, but he does see things a little brighter when he's looking at a guy in a Dallas uniform, there's just no question about it.
Also, Brandt should know better than to be doing redrafts 4 games into the year, it's an exercise in futility.
And Richburg has looked good so far.
If Beckham pans out, I think Reese did the right thing.
Why not? Who's to say? It was the weakest position on the team and if Richburg was the best player on the board at 43, why wouldn't they have taken him.
We're doing fine, Richburg is as well and let's see what OBJ can do for us with the 12 games still left in the regular season.
Thanks. Can't resist another good sparring session over the draft. :-)
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who would Martin be playing over?
Schwartz because he looked like shit when he WAS healthy.
Again, nothing against Beckham and I hope he becomes a star, but Martin was the guy they should have taken and still taken Richburg in Round 2. Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott redux.
And what makes you think Richburg would've been there...not too mention the extreme lack of playmakers on this team and the fact they would be waiting until the 3rd round to address this...oh yeah, what about Bromley, where do they find his replacement in this scenario....point is, when you state something as they "should have done", you should really think it through and understand the implications.
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who would Martin be playing over?
Schwartz because he looked like shit when he WAS healthy.
Again, nothing against Beckham and I hope he becomes a star, but Martin was the guy they should have taken and still taken Richburg in Round 2. Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott redux.
And what makes you think Richburg would've been there...not too mention the extreme lack of playmakers on this team and the fact they would be waiting until the 3rd round to address this...oh yeah, what about Bromley, where do they find his replacement in this scenario....point is, when you state something as they "should have done", you should really think it through and understand the implications.
1, Richburg was there, and 2, I am not a hindsight suggester of taking an OL in Rd1. I said it leading up to the draft and expressed this thought on draft day.
Sure he would have, but the point is he was made it work. And they did try in 1987 drafting WRs in 3 of the first 4 rounds.
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In comment 11893322 Joe in Cambridge said:
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who would Martin be playing over?
Schwartz because he looked like shit when he WAS healthy.
Again, nothing against Beckham and I hope he becomes a star, but Martin was the guy they should have taken and still taken Richburg in Round 2. Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott redux.
And what makes you think Richburg would've been there...not too mention the extreme lack of playmakers on this team and the fact they would be waiting until the 3rd round to address this...oh yeah, what about Bromley, where do they find his replacement in this scenario....point is, when you state something as they "should have done", you should really think it through and understand the implications.
1, Richburg was there, and 2, I am not a hindsight suggester of taking an OL in Rd1. I said it leading up to the draft and expressed this thought on draft day.
and you're sure he would be there still once the picks change as you suggested...how so?
Why not? Who's to say? It was the weakest position on the team and if Richburg was the best player on the board at 43, why wouldn't they have taken him.
Jeff, I wanted Aaron Donald. However, I can see why the Gmen needed a WR. Specifically a true X receiver. You draft a PLAYMAKER with the #12 pick. A Donald or a Beckham. Not a guard. A great OLT prospect is fine also. They need an X receiver in the worst way. No one could have predicted the Giants would put up points with the alleged weak receiving corps we currently have.
DeMarco Murray has 327 yards BEFORE being contacted this year. There are only two other RBs who have more then 327 yards period.
The OL is young and has only played 4 games together. They should only improve as the season continues.
Can't wait for the Seattle game in two weeks. If they pass that test, you can crown them the best in the business.
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Why not? Who's to say? It was the weakest position on the team and if Richburg was the best player on the board at 43, why wouldn't they have taken him.
Jeff, I wanted Aaron Donald. However, I can see why the Gmen needed a WR. Specifically a true X receiver. You draft a PLAYMAKER with the #12 pick. A Donald or a Beckham. Not a guard. A great OLT prospect is fine also. They need an X receiver in the worst way. No one could have predicted the Giants would put up points with the alleged weak receiving corps we currently have.
Had Evans been there, I would agree with you. And don't get me wrong, I liked Beckham. I just think, given his size, he was taken too high. I thought they should have taken Martin then, and still do.
STFU ARCRASENAL
As of now the jury is still out on OBJ but one could definitely argue that the future looks bright if Richburg continues playing well.
I agree. You want to just grab those posters by the neck, knock on their wooden heads and yell, "Hello!!! Is any body home!!!???".