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Rodney Harrison: Tom Brady Looks scared to death

Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2014 2:09 pm
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...Whether Bill pulled [Brady] because he's afraid he was going to get injured, or Bill was trying to send him a non-subtle message, as a player your mind kind of starts playing tricks on you and you start thinking like, 'What's going on?'" Harrison said. "But at the end of the day, Tom needs to play better. The offensive line needs to protect him, but Tom -- we've said it week in and week out -- he's missing opportunities that are there; he's just floating the ball in the air. ...

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The lady's  
dune69 : 10/1/2014 2:12 pm : link
made his knees weak.
Let's see if ESPN and the NFLN make Brady their new whipping boy  
doncam : 10/1/2014 2:16 pm : link
It's time they focus on someone else other than Eli.
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Arcanum : 10/1/2014 2:16 pm : link
Agree. Brady is known, to fold under pressure. It seems like, that was exposed, back in 07. The Giants, showed his weakness. I know, no QB, likes pressure. But some, handle it, a lot better than others.
RE: Let's see if ESPN and the NFLN make Brady their new whipping boy  
Arcanum : 10/1/2014 2:17 pm : link
In comment 11893799 doncam said:
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It's time they focus on someone else other than Eli.


Basically
Holy commas batman  
chris r : 10/1/2014 2:18 pm : link
Brady did anything but fold against us in 07. He got the shot beat out of him and still almost won the game at the end.
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Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2014 2:18 pm : link
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..Also not helping: a horrendous offensive line that has left Brady gun-shy. And after his second interception was returned for a touchdown against the Chiefs Monday, coach Bill Belichick decided to give Brady the rest of the night off...

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pjcas18 : 10/1/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11893801 Arcanum said:
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Agree. Brady is known, to fold under pressure. It seems like, that was exposed, back in 07. The Giants, showed his weakness. I know, no QB, likes pressure. But some, handle it, a lot better than others.


he was knocked down 34 times in that game and it took a miracle for his team to lose, I wouldn't call it folding under pressure.
Tom is also taking heat  
Exit 172 : 10/1/2014 2:20 pm : link
for avoiding Garoppolo after his first NFL TD pass.
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BillKo : 10/1/2014 2:21 pm : link
In comment 11893801 Arcanum said:
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Agree. Brady is known, to fold under pressure. It seems like, that was exposed, back in 07. The Giants, showed his weakness. I know, no QB, likes pressure. But some, handle it, a lot better than others.


LOL......ummm, ok.
Brady looks like Eli last year  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/1/2014 2:23 pm : link
There's a breakdown on Grantland I believe where some of his throws early in the game were on the money and guys ran bad routes or dropped the ball. He did make some bad throws, but those were Eli gun-slinger types when the game was out of reach already.

Typical overreaction. He's got nothing on that offensive line and nothing in that receiving core.
I think some may be confusing  
bceagle05 : 10/1/2014 2:24 pm : link
Tom Brady with Peyton Manning when it comes to folding under pressure. Rodney just made me feel even better about not watching a second of that God-awful NBC pre-game show. He and Dungy are like watching paint dry.
Brady has been one of the most  
jmac13 : 10/1/2014 2:30 pm : link
courageous QB'S in the pocket that I've seen, but if you keep getting hit everyone's gonna get gun shy.

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Arcanum : 10/1/2014 2:34 pm : link
In comment 11893807 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 11893801 Arcanum said:


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Agree. Brady is known, to fold under pressure. It seems like, that was exposed, back in 07. The Giants, showed his weakness. I know, no QB, likes pressure. But some, handle it, a lot better than others.



he was knocked down 34 times in that game and it took a miracle for his team to lose, I wouldn't call it folding under pressure.


How many times, was Eli hit, against the 49ers, in the NFC championship game ? All I'm saying, is that Brady, gets rattled, rather quickly.
Did  
dorgan : 10/1/2014 2:38 pm : link
Brady look rattled to you on that last pass in 42?

He just got the living shit knocked out of him and he had the presence of mind to call a TO from his backside, then threw a perfect pass down the sideline that just missed.

RE: I think some may be confusing  
drkenneth : 10/1/2014 2:47 pm : link
In comment 11893823 bceagle05 said:
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Tom Brady with Peyton Manning when it comes to folding under pressure. Rodney just made me feel even better about not watching a second of that God-awful NBC pre-game show. He and Dungy are like watching paint dry.


Someone needs to explain to me why Tony Dungy is on TV. While their at it, why he is considered a good coach.
While they are at it.  
drkenneth : 10/1/2014 2:49 pm : link
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those desperation passes  
lpdcan28 : 10/1/2014 2:49 pm : link
in sb42 still make me nervous. I don't think people realize how close those were. and again in sb46, that last pass could of easily been caught on the tip. whew!!!
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MetsAreBack : 10/1/2014 2:57 pm : link
In comment 11893866 dorgan said:
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Brady look rattled to you on that last pass in 42?

He just got the living shit knocked out of him and he had the presence of mind to call a TO from his backside, then threw a perfect pass down the sideline that just missed.



Agree with the overall sentiment, but a "perfect pass" would have been completed, or at least gone through Moss' hands... kind of like that pass we all still talk about in SB46.

So was it 'perfect' ? No, it was like their season.. 18-1.
I would trace Brady's decline to the '08 knee injury  
DieHard : 10/1/2014 2:59 pm : link
"Decline" being a relative term because he's been awfully good til recently, but he's definitely gotten more sensitive to pressure since that hit. This year he's also dealing with a downgrade in the personnel/coaching around him.

His "wave my arms around and point at a DE when he deigns to come anywhere near me, just so I can draw a roughness flag" act still irritates me, though.
Doesn't he have a pretty weak  
Some Fan : 10/1/2014 3:14 pm : link
WR corps. Also, he may be better in more of a WC offense though for all I know that is what the Pats play.
Is Arcanum...  
Chris in Philly : 10/1/2014 3:16 pm : link
stuttering or something?
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an_idol_mind : 10/1/2014 3:19 pm : link
In comment 11893801 Arcanum said:
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Agree. Brady is known, to fold under pressure. It seems like, that was exposed, back in 07. The Giants, showed his weakness. I know, no QB, likes pressure. But some, handle it, a lot better than others.


I call bullshit. Brady got the shit kicked out of him in Super Bowl XLII and still came back with a go-ahead drive late in the 4th quarter. In the closing plays of the game he got his ass knocked back 10 feet by Alford only to toss a nearly perfect deep ball that required a great play by Corey Webster to keep from becoming a potential game-winner.

Brady's performance in Super Bowl XLII deserves a ton of respect. 99% of quarterbacks fall apart when facing that kind of pressure, but Brady kept competing until the very end.
Pocket passer...  
rocco8112 : 10/1/2014 3:34 pm : link
..has absolutely no protection and starts playing worse.

In other news the sun rises in the east.

Regarding Brady folding under pressure, he did lead a late drive in 42 to put his team ahead. He just got beat on an even more amazing drive by the best comeback QB in the business.

Also, on the Pats final possession Brady might have thrown the best pass I have ever seen on a third down play to Moss. Webster broke it up with his pinky and prevented an outright disaster that would have made it impossible for me to ever watch football again, so I do not know if it would be accurate to say he folded under pressure.
He isn't scared  
Gman11 : 10/1/2014 3:39 pm : link
He's under pressure and trying to make a play. It's ridiculous to say that a QB throwing the ball prematurely because he has a DL in his face and hoping his WR will make a play as playing scared.

What the hell is he supposed to do? Give him some players around him and we'll see how scared he is.
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Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2014 3:41 pm : link
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Webster broke it up with his pinky and prevented an outright disaster that would have made it impossible for me to ever watch football again, so I do not know if it would be accurate to say he folded under pressure.


Two things would have made me feel that:

1) Had Norwood's kick been good

OR

2) Had the Hail Mary batted ball, been caught by Gronk at the end of XLVI
I've really learned a lot from watching Eli rebound this year  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2014 3:43 pm : link
compared to last year.

I admit that I was STARTING to think it was possible that maybe he had David Carr syndrome or was playing scared or was fading.

Now I think it's safe to say Brady is every bit the player Manning is and, frankly, is certainly better. So before we start saying Brady is scared of anything, let's see if he responds if/when the O-Line starts playing better. It took Eli literally all of 3 2 games with quality blocking for him to turn into a star again. He's playing poorly because the offense as a whole is playing poorly.
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mrvax : 10/1/2014 3:49 pm : link
In comment 11893801 Arcanum said:
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Agree. Brady is known, to fold under pressure. It seems like, that was exposed, back in 07. The Giants, showed his weakness. I know, no QB, likes pressure. But some, handle it, a lot better than others.


I know of no NFL quarterback that does fairly well under constant duress. They all lose their focus. Some sooner than others (Cousins).

To me, Brady is/was one of the better ones to perform under pressure. In the 2 Superbowls vs. Giants and under tremendous pressure, he played pretty damn well the whole game.

When a QB starts throwing picks, misses his receivers and has happy feet, that's when you know you've rattled the son of a bitch and it's time to move in for the kill.
I'm staring Brady  
Scotty9678 : 10/1/2014 3:57 pm : link
On Sunday night for fantasy fanduel... He's gonna throw for 6 TDs now...
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mrvax : 10/1/2014 4:09 pm : link
In comment 11894017 Scotty9678 said:
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On Sunday night for fantasy fanduel... He's gonna throw for 6 TDs now...


IF his Oline protects him...
RE: Doesn't he have a pretty weak  
Toth029 : 10/1/2014 5:02 pm : link
In comment 11893947 Some Fan said:
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WR corps. Also, he may be better in more of a WC offense though for all I know that is what the Pats play.
Their WR's aren't great, but in Bill's system guys like Welker and Edelman have thrived in the slot. That's what they do. And they have one of the top TE's in the league.

Problem has been drafting, so that's on Belidick.
Of course Brady is scared  
TMS : 10/1/2014 5:29 pm : link
He had one serious leg injury and he has no protection. He is a pocket QB just like the Mannings. They are all franchise guys who are the most important assets their teams have. Failure to give them what they need is dumb. We did the same thing with ELi. Do not get a drop back pocket passer if you do not intend to put an OL and blocking RBs there to ptotect him. Reese did the same thing here. ELI was pretty shaky back there the last couple of years also. look at him now with protection.
RE: Is Arcanum...  
Danny Kanell : 10/1/2014 5:53 pm : link
In comment 11893951 Chris in Philly said:
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stuttering or something?


Lmao
^^  
pganut : 10/1/2014 6:13 pm : link
Actually, I pictured Arcanum speaking more with the syntax and inflection of William Shatner.

"Spock, I think, we're...headingfortheRomulanBirdofPrey, at warp, speed".
One thing I noticed  
damdevs : 10/1/2014 6:16 pm : link
Against KC was the Wrs/TEs got zero separation. Granted Gronk was doubled all night, but the wrs hardly got open. When they did Brady either had no time or he threw a bad pass.
Rodney Harrison is a dick-head  
Jimmy Googs : 10/1/2014 6:30 pm : link
and, quite frankly, has always been a dick-head.



Arcanum  
Bill2 : 10/1/2014 6:40 pm : link
Lets quote Archie Manning after the 2007 SuperBowl:

"The most incredible throws i ever saw in the NFL were made by Brady who got hit 34 times and put a throw 73 yards downfield on his Wr fingertips.

Then he did it a second time

Do you know how few NFL QBS can make a 73 yard throw in practice. Much less hit the wr like you are supposed to? Much less twice in a row?"

" i could not do it." Peyton and Eli could not do it" " i cant think of anyone else i ever saw play who could"

Ok...thats the opinion and source to contradict
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Bill2 : 10/1/2014 6:45 pm : link
The audio on that can probably be found. Was said to Francessa
RE: Holy commas batman  
GeofromNJ : 10/1/2014 8:32 pm : link
In comment 11893805 chris r said:
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Brady did anything but fold against us in 07. He got the shot beat out of him and still almost won the game at the end.
You beat me to it, chris. Brady played a terrific game against a ferocious defense. And almost won it at the end.
The New England Patriots are proving the following:  
GeofromNJ : 10/1/2014 8:34 pm : link
While nobody wins in the NFL without a quarterback, no team wins consistently if all they have is a quarterback. Brady is surrounded by literally nothing. And I blame Belichick.
Every QB gets rattled  
djm : 10/1/2014 8:51 pm : link
.. Some more so than others.

Brady is a bitch. He screams rah rah like a pony tailed pussy.
Apologies for not reading the thread  
Rocky Thompson : 10/1/2014 9:20 pm : link

Saw the Rodney statement this morning, he misses football, completely understandable but Brady has not been arguing with any coaches or players on the sidelines, very unusual for such a fired up player.

Can't dismiss Brady yet, he is possibly the best to ever play the game but I'll admit, I'm perplexed. He's been off target more than usual, he's got heat, Brady doesn't react well to penetration ( add jokes here) but unless the offense is totally inept, why hasn't he adjusted?

Gronk will get healthier but is Vereen hurt? He's got quick hit options to slow down the rush. 1st ballot HoF no matter what happens, best ever, he'll need to find a way...
When you watch  
Doomster : 10/1/2014 9:29 pm : link
the Patriot offense, it's a pass to Edelman or Gronk.....Gronk is not the Gronk of 2 years ago....he is still recovering from the knee injury....he is rounding off his routes, and just looks stiff/careful when he goes out for a pass....he has not been wide open and Brady is forcing balls to him, probably because he doesn't have time for 2nd and 3rd reads....

Edelman can't possibly keep up the pace he is doing out there....even if he isn't the first read, he has to try to get open, in case he becomes the 2nd read.....add punt return duties, and this guy may burn out by the end of the season.....

Brady's confidence in his line and receivers, I believe, is shot.....at 37, Brady doesn't move as well in the pocket as he use to......the Patiots have to turn this around soon, and Cinci is standing in their way......
Brady sure looked bad  
SHO'NUFF : 10/1/2014 10:56 pm : link
after the Tuck sack in SBXLVI...
I like Edelman. Would not  
Big Blue '56 : 10/2/2014 8:55 am : link
mind a guy like him with us..He's not a Welker, who was more valuable to Brady than JE is, even if the "stats" say otherwise..
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