Yes, it doesn't matter to the Giants what WE think. All that matters is what THEIR mindsets will be come Sunday..
Yes, Atlanta is decimated in what appears to be very key areas..
Yes, they got roughed up by a Vikings squad that got roughed up yesterday.
However, imho, if the Vikes played the Falcons 10 times(even at Minny), the Falcons would win 9 of them..Last week was the exception.
If the Bucs played the Steelers at Pittsburgh 10 times, the Steelers win 9..Last week was the exception..
Matt Ryan with White and Jones and a still quite viable Steven Jackson(I watched their game last week on Rewind and he was running like he did 5 years ago imo, regardless of what the stats may have shown), this team could easily, easily rout us..
I believe, with the progress I expected the Giants to make, that we should/will win, perhaps big, but injuries notwithstanding, the Falcons are a dangerous team on offense..
We have all seen, week after week, season after season, how teams that are decimated can rise up for that ONE game and play as if they were healthy..
Should we lose, we all know how this place will react..The DEFINITIVE statements and opinions of "fact" will return..I needn't give examples of what form that will take..
As I said, I expect to win, I think this "work in progress" is progressing well and once fine-tuned can and will make lots of noise down the stretch. BUT, no matter what shape they're in, if we don't pressure Ryan throughout, we could be in for a very rough afternoon..
In sum, I'm more comfortable playing a Dallas or Philly team at this point, than I am this decimated Falcon team..Anyone share this angst?
rely too much on OBJ...
Main thing every week is our D has to
show up..fewell is inconsistent
The comfort level is in pretty much knowing WHAT to expect from Philly or Dallas, win or lose..With the Falcons, my discomfort stems more in whether or not, with their potent weapons, they can brush off a makeshift/patchwork OL and STILL lay a pounding on us..Common sense says no, but that does not give me much solace..
With that said, the game won't be easy, and I'm sure the Falcons are very angry off of last weeks loss to the Vikings.
My advice - take a couple of kale enemas and enjoy the ride!
Stop worrying about the small stuff.
We have a bright young OC who is installing a very potent high-power offense in its fledgling stages and it's showing tremendous potential. We have a great coaching staff lead by Tom Coughlin - and an all time great QB in Eli Manning. There are a bunch of weapons on offense and defense.
Al the ingredients for a great ride BabY!
YeaH!! GO GiaNTS!!! All YeaR!!
The Giants are fortunate to catch a flawed-but-dangerous Atlanta team at a time when their explosive offense is limited by a patchwork line of retreads and their defense is reeling from the loss of its best LB and DB. The game is far from an automatic "W", but the Falcons' injury situation is a huge advantage for the Giants.
Look at it this way: How would you feel about the Giants' chances on the road with Beatty, Walton, Pugh, Rolle and Beason out and Richburg highly doubtful? You would watch the game and wish for the best; but mostly, you would hope Eli survived - which is pretty much how Falcon fans are looking at this game and the prospects for Matt Ryan's health.
Look, Dwight Lowery could pull a Darren Sharper this Sunday. Devin Hester or Julio Jones could take over the game with a few big plays. The Falcons could go +4 on takeaways and blow the Giants out. That's obviously possible. It's just a lot less likely because of what happened in Minnesota on Sunday.
My advice - take a couple of kale enemas and enjoy the ride!
Stop worrying about the small stuff.
We have a bright young OC who is installing a very potent high-power offense in its fledgling stages and it's showing tremendous potential. We have a great coaching staff lead by Tom Coughlin - and an all time great QB in Eli Manning. There are a bunch of weapons on offense and defense.
Al the ingredients for a great ride BabY!
YeaH!! GO GiaNTS!!! All YeaR!!
Per usual, simply trying to call it as I "feel" it..I said, I believe we'll win, just not feeling all that sure this week unlike the last few games.
Yes their O is potent but you just don't plug and play three lineman. They are in trouble if we play our game and don't revert to making huge mistakes.
My two biggest concerns are us shooting ourselves in the foot and Hochuli's crew officiating the game. His crew is extremely flag happy.
which was my first emphatic statement
So sharing a feeling on a message board is persona non grata..
My two biggest concerns are us shooting ourselves in the foot and Hochuli's crew officiating the game. His crew is extremely flag happy.
This is exactly how I feel about this game.
Ok, I'm not gonna get into this with you again..It usually doesn't go well...Fine, my thoughts are silly, no merit and completely off the wall..Pretty much like my conviction that this OL will take time, that they will prove to be infinitely better than last year and that people such as yourself thought what Reese put together since drafting Pugh sucked big time and we were in trouble there..Yes, SILLY..We're done on this thread..
We have had a few LBs come thru here in the past 5 years that would garner plenty of votes...
We're gonna mash 'em, smash 'em and steal their socks! PETA will be protesting Giants games after we abuse those birds. Matt Ryan's going down so many times you could leak a sex tape!
Jennings and Cruz and we never lose!
I don't understand why fan confidence would change anyone's opinion about a football game. 4,000 people here can guarantee a win and it won't effect what happens on the field one iota.
That said, I believe we are the better team, not that that means anything. LOL!
There is plenty of time to stress after shit goes wrong, might as well try to stay positive and enjoy the ride when things are going good.
There is plenty of time to stress after shit goes wrong, might as well try to stay positive and enjoy the ride when things are going good.
That was a prediction on the "playa" thread that was made to "bring us luck." I made the same exact prediction for this game as well and will continue to do that until and when we lose..I'm a little 'stitious..
Be glad you have a meaningful football game to watch on Sunday and just enjoy it. We'll see what happens when we get there.
I'm excited. This is the most excited I've been about the Giants in almost 2 years.
/agree
Its been this with the Giants under TC. You just don't know what you are going to get with them. Let's hope the vets can keep the guys focused and they can execute well overall.
A big home win would be very nice at this stage for this team.
But when it comes to the Giants, they are their own worst enemy....how many times have they come out flat in big games? How many times have they lost games they should have won?
They have to win the turnover battle.....
How many times have we heard stuff like, the Detroit defensive backfield sucks, we should be able to pass on them? This week we are hearing the OL of the Falcons is decimated, they should be able to pressure Ryan, and stop their passing game.....
If somehow, Ryan has time, he has the weapons to beat our pass defense.....a good passing offense, can beat this defensive backfield, if it has the time to pass.....not one linebacker is capable of covering anyone.....I am still not sold on Demps as the deep safety.....
That all becomes a moot point, if Ryan spends most of the time on his back......
Can the offense continue it's steady improvement? Will OBj see the field and have an impact? Is Donnell for real? Can this running game keep putting up the numbers? Does Eli continue to grow with this new offense?
More often than not, games are won/lost based on matchups rather than W/L records....in the NFL, team A beats team B, Team B has beaten team C, does not mean that team A beats team C....that's why they play the games....
If things go according to Plan, Giants will be 3-2......something I didn't see before the season started...
Yes, following this team for 58 years will do that and you know how much I love this regime..:)
But when it comes to the Giants, they are their own worst enemy....how many times have they come out flat in big games? How many times have they lost games they should have won?
They have to win the turnover battle.....
How many times have we heard stuff like, the Detroit defensive backfield sucks, we should be able to pass on them? This week we are hearing the OL of the Falcons is decimated, they should be able to pressure Ryan, and stop their passing game.....
If somehow, Ryan has time, he has the weapons to beat our pass defense.....a good passing offense, can beat this defensive backfield, if it has the time to pass.....not one linebacker is capable of covering anyone.....I am still not sold on Demps as the deep safety.....
That all becomes a moot point, if Ryan spends most of the time on his back......
Can the offense continue it's steady improvement? Will OBj see the field and have an impact? Is Donnell for real? Can this running game keep putting up the numbers? Does Eli continue to grow with this new offense?
More often than not, games are won/lost based on matchups rather than W/L records....in the NFL, team A beats team B, Team B has beaten team C, does not mean that team A beats team C....that's why they play the games....
If things go according to Plan, Giants will be 3-2......something I didn't see before the season started...
Wow, am I agreeing with Doomy here? Quite reasoned imo..
How can a team coming off a blowout not feel good about themselves? As a player coming to practice knowing what the team just did, how do they keep their edge, the mindset to push themselves? How do they keep the mindset to keep working hard? I know the players know this, but knowing it, and actually doing something about it are 2 different things.
If I had to guess, teams coming off a blowout win probably have a very low winning percentage....it should concern the team/players.
I hate to say this, but I only have a 30% expectation that the Giants will win this one. In the end, it may not be a bad thing, but I'd feel much better about a loss if it were some AFC team.
When I share a concern, I'm silly..Can't win on here..:)
2011 we caught lightning in a bottle but played shit football almost the entire season.
This team has a chance to play quality football through-out the season which I haven't personally felt since '10.
Now they have some legit attention, maybe they can use that boost in confidence to raise their level of play. Eli can go back to running a successful offense and put the stench of hitting the ground every 3rd play behind him.
At this point, being overconfident scares me less than them being unsure of themselves.
Be glad you have a meaningful football game to watch on Sunday and just enjoy it. We'll see what happens when we get there.
I'm excited. This is the most excited I've been about the Giants in almost 2 years.
I feel exactly the same way. They have played two bad games and two good games. Is this a team on the rise or an inconsistent team? I have no idea, but I'm very glad that this season did not start out like last season.
Rick, that's what I thought before I watched last week's game. Did you get a chance to watch it? He was running well, dighting like hell for every yard. In short, he looked "reborn" to me..An aberration? Gosh I hope so
As we all know too well, when injuries force inexperienced, lesser players with absolutely zero-cohesion to play together, Offenses just can't consistently operate during the game.
We all know that the relative talent level nfl team to nfl team is minimal and that anyone can beat anyone.
Still, most here were chalking this up as a lost season only two weeks ago. It wasn't lost then and it hasn't been won now.
Doesnt matter. In the end we're only fans. We have no control. Only opinions.
Here's to an enjoyable weekend watching our non-2-year-rebuilding Giants kick ass!
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First the Redskins predictions, now this. He's turning into, Eric.
There is plenty of time to stress after shit goes wrong, might as well try to stay positive and enjoy the ride when things are going good.
That was a prediction on the "playa" thread that was made to "bring us luck." I made the same exact prediction for this game as well and will continue to do that until and when we lose..I'm a little 'stitious..
I thought I saw it in another thread too, or something similar (thought I saw you picking against the Giants twice), but even if I did I guess you meant it the same way as the playa thread.
Anyway, I'm just bustin' balls. I think about these things, too, but choose to be positive. You are a good voice of reason for this site, so expect a lot from you.
Relax and enjoy.
More like Uranus.
he does this by hard count and having the same action on his fake snap that he does his real snap.
this is the area (along w/clutch QB play) where i think mcadoo may b realizing he's got something even better than aaron rodgers, which i doubt he would've ever imagined after coming here. also rodgers has been criticized for putting too much zip on his short and intermediate throws which eli throws a very catchable ball.
I think the Giants cause an undue amount of anxiety for a lot of their fans!
The Giants are the better football team, the Giants are the healthier football team, the Giants are at Home.
We should be the favorites and we should feel confident about getting to 3-2. But Matt Ryan is a very good QB and he has a great receiving corps. I feel like our DL has been good, but I'm not as sold on them as some other posters here. Our DL absolutely needs to dictate the game against that injured OL. If they do that, then I don't see how we lose this game unless the offense regresses bigtime.
Grow a pair and put 2 large on the Gmen.
I don't think Coughlin will allow them to take this game lightly. We've all seen the improvements since game #1. Slowly getting better each week.
Can't turn the ball over multiple times and expect to win. No fumbles, no INTs and win by a large margin. Only the Giants themselves could keep this one close.
Will the Falcons score? You betcha. Still, the Giants should win by double digits.
If the Giants go even just +1 in turnover differential, I can pretty much guarantee you they win. Even if the differential is 0, they probably win.
Get into the negatives and it's much more of a toss up.
Protect the fucking ball.
And hopefully the defense can keep forcing turnovers like they have the last 2 weeks.
Does that bother him?
"No," White said. "I will score this weekend."
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I have no doubt, had Nicks decided to play last year, we would have had a better record even with our shitty OL, because the tools of a good attack would have been there with Hakeem and a freed up Cruz..It sure would have helped Eli out some
Hope he proves me wrong.
If we don't stomp them by two TDs -- at least -- I will be very surprised.
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If we don't stomp them by two TDs -- at least -- I will be very surprised. Link - ( New Window )
That's what worries me..:)
The Giants don't play down to anyone...that would be saying they are a superior team...I see two very similar teams that will take the field sunday...
It didn't work out against Detroit and Arizona. I'm inclined to chalk that up to growing pains, but who knows? On a given Sunday, anything can happen.
Again, there are no sure things. But the adversity Atlanta faces this week looks pretty daunting. If you imagine the Giants going on the road without their best LT, LG, OC, RT, LB and S, it's easy to understand why the Falcons look like easy prey.
The Giants don't always play down to the level of their competition. They didn't do it that day, they haven't done it the last two weeks, and there's no particular reason to think they will do it on Sunday.
It didn't work out against Detroit and Arizona. I'm inclined to chalk that up to growing pains, but who knows? On a given Sunday, anything can happen.
Again, there are no sure things. But the adversity Atlanta faces this week looks pretty daunting. If you imagine the Giants going on the road without their best LT, LG, OC, RT, LB and S, it's easy to understand why the Falcons look like easy prey.
And that's why I think we'll win..This type O SEEMS to be less inclined to YoYo albeit still a continuing work in progress..Even if they were completely healthy, the loss of Gonzo was HUGE for Ryan..That loss is what, in the end, I'm banking most on..I'm just not as confident about this particular game as many here seem to be..The positivity is always welcome, perhaps that's why I'm nervous..I'm not used to the positive vibes on here..
True, but this is the Giants we're talking about. I still think the Falcons score a decent amount of points because the Giants don't match up well with big WRs. However, Atlanta's defense is absolutely horrendous. They have only 3 sacks this year and they can't stop the run.
I think the game will be close (and uncomfortable) at times, but I think the Giants will be able to score whenever they need to.
Last Friday, I thought that this would be a really good measure of where we're at as a team - where even a close loss could be encouraging. Now, I'd be pretty disappointed in a loss. I'm increasingly optimistic about this team, but a loss would blow some air out of that balloon given Atlanta's injuries.
When people are pessimistic, you're full of optimism and wait and sees.
When people are optimistic, you're nervous.
And then when people say their surprised the team did well, you say you knew it all along. (Even after you've predicted a loss. But were only joking. Even though you clearly weren't. But you'll probably say this thread was a joke, too. Depending on what happens, of course.)
Can you still prescribe yourself stuff? Some sort of stabilizing pill seems in order.
When people are pessimistic, you're full of optimism and wait and sees.
When people are optimistic, you're nervous.
And then when people say their surprised the team did well, you say you knew it all along. (Even after you've predicted a loss. But were only joking. Even though you clearly weren't. But you'll probably say this thread was a joke, too. Depending on what happens, of course.)
Can you still prescribe yourself stuff? Some sort of stabilizing pill seems in order.
Idiot
The Giants don't always play down to the level of their competition. They didn't do it that day, they haven't done it the last two weeks, and there's no particular reason to think they will do it on Sunday.
With all the roster turnover, any perception about Giant teams in the past doesn't hold true anymore. Unless you blame tendencies on Coughlin.
When people are pessimistic, you're full of optimism and wait and sees.
When people are optimistic, you're nervous.
And then when people say their surprised the team did well, you say you knew it all along. (Even after you've predicted a loss. But were only joking. Even though you clearly weren't. But you'll probably say this thread was a joke, too. Depending on what happens, of course.)
Can you still prescribe yourself stuff? Some sort of stabilizing pill seems in order.
So you're saying 56=radar?
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depends on how everyone else feels.
When people are pessimistic, you're full of optimism and wait and sees.
When people are optimistic, you're nervous.
And then when people say their surprised the team did well, you say you knew it all along. (Even after you've predicted a loss. But were only joking. Even though you clearly weren't. But you'll probably say this thread was a joke, too. Depending on what happens, of course.)
Can you still prescribe yourself stuff? Some sort of stabilizing pill seems in order.
So you're saying 56=radar?
Link?
When people are pessimistic, you're full of optimism and wait and sees.
When people are optimistic, you're nervous.
And then when people say their surprised the team did well, you say you knew it all along. (Even after you've predicted a loss. But were only joking. Even though you clearly weren't. But you'll probably say this thread was a joke, too. Depending on what happens, of course.)
Can you still prescribe yourself stuff? Some sort of stabilizing pill seems in order.
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depends on how everyone else feels.
When people are pessimistic, you're full of optimism and wait and sees.
When people are optimistic, you're nervous.
And then when people say their surprised the team did well, you say you knew it all along. (Even after you've predicted a loss. But were only joking. Even though you clearly weren't. But you'll probably say this thread was a joke, too. Depending on what happens, of course.)
Can you still prescribe yourself stuff? Some sort of stabilizing pill seems in order.
So you're saying 56=radar?
Link?
I'm a well-respected source, I don't need a link.
I share a feeling..Wins and losses are a guess, nothing more..Seeing who they brought in via the draft the last two years and FA this year for the OL, is not..When you know the track record of this football team and who is in charge, you know it's just a matter of time before the pieces begin to work(unless you are so decimated by key injuries)..I was correct when most thought this OL sucked and would suck..
Many here put more stock on tweets describing each movement a player made without pads or in pre-season games where all the staff wanted to do was establish who could play where, than exhibiting the necessary patience that a bunch of league games would allow for the starters to mesh and gel...They have and they will get better..I knew this and said so..No wavering, it was truly a work in progress..Not a modicum of doubt in my mind..
I also emphatically and with no "flexibility" stated this is in no way a team in a two year re-build..
I also stated without "flexibility" that the TE situation would work itself out(I certainly didn't know it would be Donnell) and that there was a reason why the Personnel people didn't panic during the draft or FA..Not a modicum of doubt there also..
I also stated without "flexibility" that Eli was far from done and would be here for as long as he wanted to play save for injury..Not a modicum of a doubt..
Giving opinions on games from week to week is fluid and certainly "flexible," I have some doubts each week about us and our opponents..That's total guesswork TO ME..The stuff written just above this I do not consider guesswork(though nothing is etched in stone obviously), when you put all your faith in the overall productivity of a regime that has, to date, brought us two amazing SB runs..The exact OPPOSITE was in play for me with the regime that worked here before this one..
Minimize all you want..I know what stances I've taken and how correct I've been on key issues..Predicting week to week has never been a strong suit of mine..Probably never will be
What are you talking about? What lack of faith? Because I'm nervous about this Sunday? I STILL said I expect to win..It certainly can't be lack of faith in the overall team given how staunchly I defend them(as though they need it)..So no idea where you see lack of faith based on this ONE game..
Nothing wrong with this thread..They're just opinions..The usual suspects weighed in and I responded..the disagreements with some have been ongoing and will never change. You get used to it after 13 1/2 years..All's good..:)
It's the NFL, we could tromp them or they could tromp us, or we could win or lose on a fluke play. Anxiety is no good you. Nobody knows what will happen on Sunday, so wait for the game.
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disturbing.
What are you talking about? What lack of faith? Because I'm nervous about this Sunday? I STILL said I expect to win..It certainly can't be lack of faith in the overall team given how staunchly I defend them(as though they need it)..So no idea where you see lack of faith based on this ONE game..
Big Blue - It is a line spoken by Darth Vader in Star Wars. It was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the thread title.
First words from the OP.
I don't expect a derailment. What worries me most is some sloppy play early on, a bad bounce, etc...which can inject confidence into the opposition.
I think it will be a close game, perhaps a nail-biter. But if Atlanta really is as deficient as it seems on defense and the OL, they will need lots of help to overcome it.
Fiddy, you've been here long enough to know how bi-polar BBI can be. A couple of losses and you have threads that are laundry lists of who needs to be fired and how Jerry Reach is the worst GM in football. We win a few, and all of a sudden we're contenders again.
A surprisingly low amount of posters are able to find middle grounds.
The first thing I'm looking for on Sunday is Mike Tice in coaching gear.