seriously? By some measures, he was the top ranked 4-3 DE against the rush before yesterday. After yesterday, I'm sure he's still leading there and he was dominant in pass rush as well.
Let the season play out and we'll see. JPP's got a bigger role to fill now than he did 3 years ago, with a lesser supporting cast. It's going to be harder to put up the same numbers/performance.
He has become more well rounded, which was sorely needed.
Sure he had the larger sack total but I remember being frustrated when he would get fooled by fakes or would run past the sweeps.
Yesterday he was beast, especially in the second half. There was one series that he took over. Screen pass and he saw it coming and he and Ayers ran down the running back. Next play he jumped and forced Ryan to throw over the receiver. Third play he tipped the pass.
He was so enjoyable to watch. Reminded me of a younger Strahan.
But he is better than he has been since then, and it seems as though he is getting better every week.
I really don't care how good against the run he is. There are plenty of DE's in the league who can play the run. Sure its nice to see him do so well in that area, but QB pressure is king. It creates incompletions and turnovers, and wins games.
The best DE's in the league are not the best because they are run-stoppers. They sack the QB.
Sometimes fans remind me of those parents who come up with any and every reason why their kid is good and never makes mistakes, when it comes to player loyalty.
JPP needs to sack the QB. Thats why they drafted him. Thats what you get paid big money to do as a DE. Thats what helps your team win games the most.
And because of a missed call did get a sack. Sure he needs to get more but the he was a force yesterday. He keeps playing like this and getting 9 sacks or 14 shouldn't be the gauge.
But how many of those quality run stoppers have the pursuit of JPP?
He takes it to a whole new level. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him chase down the RB from behind on that dump off early in the game. Crushed him. But not as bone crushing as the one hit he layed on Ryan.
this is the best I've ever seen him look including 2011. At the very least, he is clearly looking better physically than his 2012 Pro Bowl season.
2011 JPP led the league in Splash Plays, he made an incredible amount of game-changing plays. So I'd still rank that version of JPP ahead of this one. 2014 JPP hasn't made big plays as often, but he does seem like a more well-rounded and consistent player right now. Yesterday's game was the best he's looked in a long long time.
After the 1st half yesterday, I was getting ready to give up on JPP as an "elite" player and just accept that he was merely a "very good" player. But then he goes ahead and takes over the game in the 2nd half and reminds us what kind of player he can be.
A lot of times the DEs start to get going as the game wheres on because the offensive line gets tied and the DE starts figuring out how he is being played.
I thought in 2011 he really did not start to come on until late in the season, so lets see how the season plays out.
RE: He is not as consistently disruptive as he was 3 years ago.
But he is better than he has been since then, and it seems as though he is getting better every week.
I really don't care how good against the run he is. There are plenty of DE's in the league who can play the run. Sure its nice to see him do so well in that area, but QB pressure is king. It creates incompletions and turnovers, and wins games.
The best DE's in the league are not the best because they are run-stoppers. They sack the QB.
Sometimes fans remind me of those parents who come up with any and every reason why their kid is good and never makes mistakes, when it comes to player loyalty.
JPP needs to sack the QB. Thats why they drafted him. Thats what you get paid big money to do as a DE. Thats what helps your team win games the most.
But he's still succeedingly entirely with hustle and sheer physical ability. It drives me crazy that, after 4 years in the league, he still has no pass rush moves. Just bullrush, over and over again. As good as he is now, he could be better.
He is applying more consistent pressure than he ever has. He just has few sacks to show for it. He has been disruptive and is affecting opponents. That is what you want out of your best DE
He is applying more consistent pressure than he ever has. He just has few sacks to show for it. He has been disruptive and is affecting opponents. That is what you want out of your best DE
I don't think he's as consistent as he was but I think he's getting there. And I'm not saying that he should be getting 14 sacks every year and that if he doesn't then he stinks. I know better than that. JJ Watt has been playing as well or better than anyone and only has 2 sacks to show for it. But I'm not ready to say JPP is better than he was 3 years ago because he's better against the run. He should be held to a higher standard than that. I'm sure he expects more of himself. I would like to see him get the kind of pressure he got in the second half of yesterday, over an entire game and throughout the season for the most part. Then I'll say he's better overall than he was 3 years ago.
is playing at an elite level. Three years ago, it was otherworldly. So the comparison is somewhat unfair. We also need to see how the season plays out. But I agree with whoever said he seems less likely to be fooled by screens and fakes. His run defense is also excellent. And he is getting to the QB. He's going to command a monster contract.
he's become a more stable force on the field and even in the locker room. HE's looking like a great long term Giant. The sacks will come in bunches but the run game is damn good every week. He's brings just enough pass rush.
Ayers, need to start. It seemed like, he played more in the second half. And that helped create more pressure. Which helps Jpp. Because teams, can't just focus on him.
But, he is playing one of the very best DEs in the league thus far. Every game he has been dominant and disruptive, with a consistent presence in the backfield for both rushing and passing plays.
in 2011 he was great until the end of the season when he faced more offensive attention. I believe he didn't have a sack the last 5 games including the playoffs.
But he is better than he has been since then, and it seems as though he is getting better every week.
I really don't care how good against the run he is. There are plenty of DE's in the league who can play the run. Sure its nice to see him do so well in that area, but QB pressure is king. It creates incompletions and turnovers, and wins games.
The best DE's in the league are not the best because they are run-stoppers. They sack the QB.
Sometimes fans remind me of those parents who come up with any and every reason why their kid is good and never makes mistakes, when it comes to player loyalty.
JPP needs to sack the QB. Thats why they drafted him. Thats what you get paid big money to do as a DE. Thats what helps your team win games the most.
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I disagree. A DE who can't stop the run is one dimensional (read: Osi). Great DEs can rush the passer and play the run.
And the Giants need to get him locked up sooner than later IMO
I think he does hold up much better at run defense at the point of attack.
Relative to getting down the line on run defense, he is about the same.
And mouth is about the same...
Not even close.
He has become more well rounded, which was sorely needed.
I don't care as much about sacks as I do play disruption. If he just keep being a pain in the ass in the backfield, the sacks will come.
Yesterday he was beast, especially in the second half. There was one series that he took over. Screen pass and he saw it coming and he and Ayers ran down the running back. Next play he jumped and forced Ryan to throw over the receiver. Third play he tipped the pass.
He was so enjoyable to watch. Reminded me of a younger Strahan.
His wingspan is like 25 feet and he couldn't wrap him up?
I really don't care how good against the run he is. There are plenty of DE's in the league who can play the run. Sure its nice to see him do so well in that area, but QB pressure is king. It creates incompletions and turnovers, and wins games.
The best DE's in the league are not the best because they are run-stoppers. They sack the QB.
Sometimes fans remind me of those parents who come up with any and every reason why their kid is good and never makes mistakes, when it comes to player loyalty.
JPP needs to sack the QB. Thats why they drafted him. Thats what you get paid big money to do as a DE. Thats what helps your team win games the most.
Not that we want our DE to be the one making those tackles, but it's really noticeable how all over the field JPP has been
why was he so dominant in the 2nd half, but was near invisible (save formidable vs the run) in the 1st half?
if he can manhandle a guy like that all half why can't he put 1 game like that together, then 2 games then 3 games?
I mean if he is supposed to be what we thought he would after that great 1st year why is it so sporadic and inconsistent?
he obviously has immense talent as we witnessed that 2nd half yesterday.
just very frustrating as a fan to see him maul and single handedly choke out the opposition and then seemingly be an afterthought...
Would have run some more clock and given JPP a sack
He takes it to a whole new level. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him chase down the RB from behind on that dump off early in the game. Crushed him. But not as bone crushing as the one hit he layed on Ryan.
2011 JPP led the league in Splash Plays, he made an incredible amount of game-changing plays. So I'd still rank that version of JPP ahead of this one. 2014 JPP hasn't made big plays as often, but he does seem like a more well-rounded and consistent player right now. Yesterday's game was the best he's looked in a long long time.
After the 1st half yesterday, I was getting ready to give up on JPP as an "elite" player and just accept that he was merely a "very good" player. But then he goes ahead and takes over the game in the 2nd half and reminds us what kind of player he can be.
I thought in 2011 he really did not start to come on until late in the season, so lets see how the season plays out.
I really don't care how good against the run he is. There are plenty of DE's in the league who can play the run. Sure its nice to see him do so well in that area, but QB pressure is king. It creates incompletions and turnovers, and wins games.
The best DE's in the league are not the best because they are run-stoppers. They sack the QB.
Sometimes fans remind me of those parents who come up with any and every reason why their kid is good and never makes mistakes, when it comes to player loyalty.
JPP needs to sack the QB. Thats why they drafted him. Thats what you get paid big money to do as a DE. Thats what helps your team win games the most.
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Being doubled by TE.
I don't think he's as consistent as he was but I think he's getting there. And I'm not saying that he should be getting 14 sacks every year and that if he doesn't then he stinks. I know better than that. JJ Watt has been playing as well or better than anyone and only has 2 sacks to show for it. But I'm not ready to say JPP is better than he was 3 years ago because he's better against the run. He should be held to a higher standard than that. I'm sure he expects more of himself. I would like to see him get the kind of pressure he got in the second half of yesterday, over an entire game and throughout the season for the most part. Then I'll say he's better overall than he was 3 years ago.
Sacks continue to be overrated. It's all about QB pressure. The # of sacks don't matter accept to fans.
I'd like to see them move him around more. Put him over the G and RT on occasion.
Jake Matthews might get to their level in 2-3 years, but right now he's nowhere near those two.
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But he is better than he has been since then, and it seems as though he is getting better every week.
I really don't care how good against the run he is. There are plenty of DE's in the league who can play the run. Sure its nice to see him do so well in that area, but QB pressure is king. It creates incompletions and turnovers, and wins games.
The best DE's in the league are not the best because they are run-stoppers. They sack the QB.
Sometimes fans remind me of those parents who come up with any and every reason why their kid is good and never makes mistakes, when it comes to player loyalty.
JPP needs to sack the QB. Thats why they drafted him. Thats what you get paid big money to do as a DE. Thats what helps your team win games the most.
/yes /yes and more /yes
I disagree. A DE who can't stop the run is one dimensional (read: Osi). Great DEs can rush the passer and play the run.