When he's good, he's very good and when he's bad...
For me, this guy is one of the more frustrating players in recent memory. At times he can be a smooth route runner with good body control and soft hands. At other times, he seems to have a serious lack of focus and concentration and football IQ. How hard is it to hold onto a ball for an additional second just to make sure the play is over, like the ball that should have been a td but turned into a pick in the Washington game.
Yesterday, he dropped a td pass. Also, on a deep ball on one of the first offensive series, he felt he was interfered with and didn't try to fight through the contact because he expected as flag. I'm not even sure it's a catchable ball but if he does try to fight through the contact, he may get the flag.
Is this what he's going to be for his entire career or will he ever take that next step?
You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose.
1. Deep inc pass to right - Single coverage. Looks like Eli overthrows the ball but on replay it looks like he was interfered with. If not a penalty, then looks like Eli overthrew him.
2. Short inc pass left. No replay of the play but looks like ball was thrown inside and either he was interfered with or Randle ran a different route.
3. Missed TD - He starts on the left of the formation near goal line and comes all the way across. Eli slightly overthrows him (as he was pressured) and Randle bobbles the ball a bit to prevent two feet from getting in. IMO, that was Randle's fault.
4. Short completion - Quick out to the right hoping to get Randle into the endzone. Donnell was supposed to block his man and whiffed. So Randle was stopped short of endzone.
5. Short pass right for TD - IMO, I thought it was a nice play by Randle. He does a small curl in the endzone and keeps his feet in after the catch for a TD.
6. In 2nd QTR, Randle gains 18 yards on slant - The Giants were showing a potential bubble screen to Cruz on the left but Eli throws a dart to Randle on a slat to the right (with single coverage). He fumbles the ball but luckily recovered by Giants.
7. This was negated by penalties but Eli found Randle on a comeback route on the left for a 10 year gain and first down.
8. Incomplete pass to left - Eli targeted Randle on a slant. Randle was able to gain inside position but ball was high and too inside. Looks to me that Eli threw a bad ball. A catch would have been a first down.
9. Slant on left for 14 yard gain - With defense creeping up on 3rd and 2, Eli finds Randle on a slant to the eft for 14 yard gain. The middle of defense was wide open with single high safety. Randle got good separation on this slant and Eli threw a perfect ball.
10. Almost interception in endzone - Eli throws a fade to Randle to the right and the ball is almost picked off but defender fails to get two feet in. IMO, the defender played the fade route perfectly. I am not sure what else could have been down except find a receiver that is more open. Randle though should have been looking for the ball earlier but didn't even know the ball was in the air.
11. Dropped pass - On 3rd and 3, Eli throws a low ball to Randle beyond the sticks that should have been caught IMO. It was a tough catch but that is what WRs are paid to do.
Conclusion - On 2 targets, he either bobbled the ball or dropped it. The rest of his targets were either catches or not his fault. But IMO his ability to separate is just average. Once the coaches film comes out, I can see whether Randle was getting separation on the other plays that he wasn't targeted.
OBJ getting involved really only in 2nd half. 1 target to Donnell/Fells and Cruz with only 1 reception?
seemed like a weird strategy.
no quick WR screens or bubble screens or even RB screens of any sort.
just a weird offensive plan going in and don't get the reason forcing to RR.
I dont really have a problem with him because his snaps are going to reduce with OBJ coming in.
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Ruben Randle!!
You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose.
I will try to be polite, but you are a horse's ass. Yes, I was critical about Eli when he played poorly. And now I am happy to say he is playing as well as ever in this new offense, and optimistic this will continue. My bigger problem was not with Eli, but with you, who constantly found excuses and blamed everyone else, including people who pointed out Eli's lackluster play.
BBI loves to find one or two players to blame, and make them whipping boys who are failing their expectations. Last year it was Nicks, who people said wasn't really trying. I think the truth is more that he just isn't the same player he was in 2011. Now its Randle, who also just may be not that talented a player. He is what he is, a capable but not stellar WR.
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Ruben Randle!!
You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose.
I will try to be polite, but you are a horse's ass. Yes, I was critical about Eli when he played poorly. And now I am happy to say he is playing as well as ever in this new offense, and optimistic this will continue. My bigger problem was not with Eli, but with you, who constantly found excuses and blamed everyone else, including people who pointed out Eli's lackluster play.
BBI loves to find one or two players to blame, and make them whipping boys who are failing their expectations. Last year it was Nicks, who people said wasn't really trying. I think the truth is more that he just isn't the same player he was in 2011. Now its Randle, who also just may be not that talented a player. He is what he is, a capable but not stellar WR.
Blah. blah, blah. You are so full of shit. You come out and make a snide remark, and when called out that you did the same shit last year, you cry.
And again, for the 500th time, I never once said Eli was good last year.... but said his poor play was contributed by a poor OL, shitty WRs, and a lack of a TE. Its not coincidental that now we have a functioning OL, WRs who are making plays for the most part, and a good TE - Eli looks much better. Some times people understand failures a little bit more than you.
But your act last year was as pathetic as they come, and I will be glad to call you out anytime you make a smart ass remark towards people on BBI. You are a horse's ass and now that you look like a fool for your idiotic comments last year.... you are going to twist things around.
You blamed EVERYTHING on Eli last year and even games where he played well, saying "he needs to do more". What a schmuck you are. "Critical" is not the word you should describe your reaction towards him. The more accurate word would be "hater". Glad he is making you look stupid this year.
Problem with Randle is that he never has a clean game. Yeah there will be games where he just doesnt have it or gets shut down. But yesterday he doesnt get a 2nd foot down on a play where any decent WR gets it in for a TD. He drops the 3rd and 3 ball that would have extended a drive late in the 4th, and ran a horrible route where he didnt even know where the ball was in the end zone.
He needs to limit his mistakes because they happen every game.
I'm bias because of my LSU ties, but I agree with you. He's played better and made some nice plays for us this year. I mean, OBJ and Cruz will be here for the forseeable future, but if he continues to play the way he has, there's no reason to believe that he won't continue to get touches and make an impact.
In some ways, he seems to be a head case.....by that I mean, he can disappear if Eli doesn't force the ball to him, to keep him involved in the game....we will see how this plays out now, with his reduced playing time.....this "pro ready" receiver has been a disappointment....when Nicks was playing bad last year, he had a golden opportunity to step up and didn't....he had another one this year, because OBj was on the sidelines, and he had more playing time, and still did not take advantage of it.......
He looks like a possession receiver, that is not consistent...he better realize he is playing for a roster spot, for next year......
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Ruben Randle!!
You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose.
I will try to be polite, but you are a horse's ass. Yes, I was critical about Eli when he played poorly. And now I am happy to say he is playing as well as ever in this new offense, and optimistic this will continue. My bigger problem was not with Eli, but with you, who constantly found excuses and blamed everyone else, including people who pointed out Eli's lackluster play.
BBI loves to find one or two players to blame, and make them whipping boys who are failing their expectations. Last year it was Nicks, who people said wasn't really trying. I think the truth is more that he just isn't the same player he was in 2011. Now its Randle, who also just may be not that talented a player. He is what he is, a capable but not stellar WR.
Blah. blah, blah. You are so full of shit. You come out and make a snide remark, and when called out that you did the same shit last year, you cry.
And again, for the 500th time, I never once said Eli was good last year.... but said his poor play was contributed by a poor OL, shitty WRs, and a lack of a TE. Its not coincidental that now we have a functioning OL, WRs who are making plays for the most part, and a good TE - Eli looks much better. Some times people understand failures a little bit more than you.
But your act last year was as pathetic as they come, and I will be glad to call you out anytime you make a smart ass remark towards people on BBI. You are a horse's ass and now that you look like a fool for your idiotic comments last year.... you are going to twist things around.
You blamed EVERYTHING on Eli last year and even games where he played well, saying "he needs to do more". What a schmuck you are. "Critical" is not the word you should describe your reaction towards him. The more accurate word would be "hater". Glad he is making you look stupid this year.
What snide remark? You mean saying Randle was now the whipping boy? And how did you call me out?
My last word is that I am happy Eli is playing so well because I am a Giant fan, and when he plays well the team is very likely playing well. If you think that makes me "look stupid," than I'm happy to look stupid in your juvenile eyes.
Agree. He's a supporting player.
his TD grab was an excellent play... the "missed TD" there are like 5 WR in the NFL that can pull that off...
the 3rd down drop there are very few people who catch that... otherwise he ran crisp routes and made some good catches and is makinng a point to protect the ball.
all of our WRs were excellent yesterday. just because you get a ton of targets and dont get a high % of receptions doesnt mean you didnt play well.
And just because you have a negative bias towards a player doesnt mean ever interpretation should be negative... or asking for him to make super human catches.
he has been bad and frustrating at times... but this offense is clicking with him and we are better for it.
his TD grab was an excellent play... the "missed TD" there are like 5 WR in the NFL that can pull that off...
the 3rd down drop there are very few people who catch that... otherwise he ran crisp routes and made some good catches and is makinng a point to protect the ball.
all of our WRs were excellent yesterday. just because you get a ton of targets and dont get a high % of receptions doesnt mean you didnt play well.
And just because you have a negative bias towards a player doesnt mean ever interpretation should be negative... or asking for him to make super human catches.
he has been bad and frustrating at times... but this offense is clicking with him and we are better for it.
To avoid talking about the real concern. The $8 million slot receiver who can't get separation at the LOS and now has shaky hands. If you were a fanboy of his, you would be eager to find a scapegoat or any possible reason to explain why he now has more drop passes than receptions already 5 weeks into a season.
And if he's fully replaced soon by ODB, then he'd be able to be one of the better #3 WR's in the NFL. Obviously not what he wants, but for the team, that can be great for us.
It's easy to pick out the bad in anything and ignore the good since we think it should always be the norm.
He'll lose his starting spot to OBJ within a couple of games I suspect and be relegated to third receiver where he's probably league average.
A win does not mean all 53 played well.
This is one thread. There are plenty of positive threads. Randle is a frustrating player.
he can see what it takes to get to the next level.
Its Heart Passion and hard work .
I think he lacks all three .
With Cruz, the quickness and change of direction skills are unbelievable
With Nicks, his catch radius and ability to make tough catches was elite
With Steve Smith, he was ridiculously quick and got open with ease on short routes
With Plax, his size and ball skills made him unfair at times
With Toomer, it was his great route running and reliability plus he had awesome footwork on the sidelines
There's nothing about Randle's game that looks even close to elite. He has good size, he has good speed, he has pretty good hands, he has ok quickness, he's a below-average route runner, he's not great at the sideline toe drags, etc.
Amani Toomer is the closest recent Giant I can think of, but even Amani was a better physical specimen than Randle. Amani made up for his lack of special athletic skills by doing all the little things really well. So far in his career, Randle has done the little things really poorly. Unless that changes, he's just a pretty good #3WR in the NFL.
Which isn't the end of the world since we have Cruz and Beckham. But I'm slightly disappointed in Randle as a draft choice. He's not a bust by any means and should be a solid player for a long time especially if he improves his consistency, but I expected more out of him when he was drafted.
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but to only focus on the negatives is still pretty ignorant (not anyone specifically). Randle didn't play an awful game. He had 1 glaring mistake, but still made some tough catches.
This is one thread. There are plenty of positive threads. Randle is a frustrating player.
Please, don't give me this "it's one thread", as if it takes a thread about Randle for posters to trash him. This is a common theme around here. Fans need at least one player they can take their frustration out on no matter what, and as of late that player happens to be Randle and the length it goes is undeserving.
It was the same with Mario Manningham, not matter what he did some ass always had to bring up how "stupid" he is.
chris, I think the LaFell comparison is pretty accurate at this point. Although I'm still holding out hope that he finally gets on the same page as Eli and takes his game to another level.
Do you remember how lost Toomer often appeared to be his first few seasons? Randle is still maturing as a player. For some guys it just takes a little more time. Still very likely that he may improve greatly from what we currently see from him.
In 2012, Randle had 19 catches on 32 targets, averaging 15.7 yards/catch. In 2013, he had 41 catches on 80 targets, averaging 14.9 yards/catch. This year it's down to 8.2 yards/catch.
This is a quicker strike offense so he won't be as far downfield when he catches the ball, but without showing the ability to break tackles or split through gaps, he is going to continue a role of a high targeted guy who only moves the chains if he runs to the marker.
It appears that McAdoo will often be just as happy to settle for a quick three to four yard pass as he would a three or four yard run. Not that there is anything wrong with it, just comparing stats from this season to past is almost irrelevant in some cases. McAdoo clearly want to keep the ball moving forward and with a quick pace. If the defense is giving room for a quick short reception he and Eli seem willing to take it.
I have a different interpretation. Teams are daring the Giants to beat them with Randle and rather than forcing the ball to other guys especially Cruz, Eli is trying to make them pay by throwing to Randle.
Broken hand - cant type