Rueben Randle-The little girl with the curl.

And with that being said, I think most of his problems are of the mental / focus aspect of the game. It will only get worse with a 2nd contract payday.

yesterday from what i saw he was like - what did you want me to do there Eli? obviously wont get serious until his contract is on the line. kindof like Adrien Robinson coming clean and saying he skated by, didnt put the film time in, didn't put the necessary work in to excel. thats what i get from randle. shame too because Cruz is drawing all the defenses attention - we should take Parker and replace Randle with him and see if he gets the memo then. OBJ and Parker on the outside with cruz in the slot... would like to see it once or twice.

He needs to "sell" interference much better in front of the refs or fall down or something to get some calls.

Also, what the hell was he doing on that lob pass in the endzone? I think that was Randle (could be wrong) but the Giant receiver got into a tugging match and then broke off the route while Eli was already throwing the ball. The Atlanta corner made a great effort but fell out of bounds with the ball.

Could have been a disaster...

But that fumble on special teams makes it unlikely that he starts ahead of Randle - at least right away.

great hands. He seems to double-catch a lot of balls

With Beckham a the 1.

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that's exactly what I'm talking about. Parker is a more disciplined route runner. Randle is far and away the more talented and dynamic player. The mere fact that Parker would even be considered over RR says volumes about Randle's lack of focus.

We throw him the ball too much. It's just so annoying to see Eli force it to Randle non-stop.

Randle is a good player but he is not even close to being a #1 WR like the Giants have been treating him the first 5 weeks. Odell Beckham is simply a better talent and the sooner he supplants Randle as the top outside WR on this team, the better.

I agree.
I only hope that our former #1 didnt taint him to take a business decision mentality.

he doesn't fight and concentrate until the play is over on a consistent basis. he also seems to miss some assignments which is inexcusable now that he's in his third year all with the same QB. when he's on, he's a good receiver....not elite, but a guy who can get open and run decent routes. he could be very good if he put in that consistent concentration/fight and commitment to understanding the playbook.

In comment 11902181 mrvax said:

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Here Here!! I also think he plays too flat footed!! There's no spring in his running after a catch, although the slant he caught and turned up was a good play; I wish all his routes and catches were with that enthusiasm!

Randle. It was a fluke play that had the DB hit Randle at exactly the right moment.

As far as yesterday goes, yes, there were some lackluster efforts from him, but that first TD catch was a great catch where Randle came back hard for the pass and made a surehanded grab to get the TD.

I don't believe that he will ever be a #1, but he's a decent #2. But that's why we drafted Beckham Jr...to be our #1 for the future. To me, Cruz has been more of a disappointment thus far in the season due to him being our big-salary receiver.

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How hard is it to hold onto a ball for an additional second just to make sure the play is over, like the ball that should have been a td but turned into a pick in the Washington game.

It isn't like he had a a stripping at his mits, he had a safety take a 5 yard sprint and put his helmet into his elbow.

Was a better receiver then Randle. Faster,more sudden in his breaks and played BIG when it counted most.Mario easily got separation. Both are knuckleheads but IMO I take Mario any day over Randle.

...and then move on. The question is how long before OBJ is seeing more snaps than him? Just to keep it simple, I'll guess following the bye week.

He lacks the explosivness to be great, but if he becomes a reliable route runner and catches the one he should catch, that is fine.

Ruben Randle!!

In comment 11902230 oldutican said:

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Ruben Randle!!

You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose.

You hope when you draft a guy on the 2nd round he's a stud but you expect that he's a serviceable to good starter. Randle is a reliable punt returner. Good red zone target. Pretty decent down field big play threat (look at his career yards per reception). I think he is what he is a pretty good NFL player but it OBJ is a very good NFL player Randle will be an upgrade to what Mario Manningham was in my opinion.

but Manningham had the ability to break away, had that explosiveness but lacked consistency

Targets:
1. Deep inc pass to right - Single coverage. Looks like Eli overthrows the ball but on replay it looks like he was interfered with. If not a penalty, then looks like Eli overthrew him.

2. Short inc pass left. No replay of the play but looks like ball was thrown inside and either he was interfered with or Randle ran a different route.

3. Missed TD - He starts on the left of the formation near goal line and comes all the way across. Eli slightly overthrows him (as he was pressured) and Randle bobbles the ball a bit to prevent two feet from getting in. IMO, that was Randle's fault.

4. Short completion - Quick out to the right hoping to get Randle into the endzone. Donnell was supposed to block his man and whiffed. So Randle was stopped short of endzone.

5. Short pass right for TD - IMO, I thought it was a nice play by Randle. He does a small curl in the endzone and keeps his feet in after the catch for a TD.

6. In 2nd QTR, Randle gains 18 yards on slant - The Giants were showing a potential bubble screen to Cruz on the left but Eli throws a dart to Randle on a slat to the right (with single coverage). He fumbles the ball but luckily recovered by Giants.

7. This was negated by penalties but Eli found Randle on a comeback route on the left for a 10 year gain and first down.

8. Incomplete pass to left - Eli targeted Randle on a slant. Randle was able to gain inside position but ball was high and too inside. Looks to me that Eli threw a bad ball. A catch would have been a first down.

9. Slant on left for 14 yard gain - With defense creeping up on 3rd and 2, Eli finds Randle on a slant to the eft for 14 yard gain. The middle of defense was wide open with single high safety. Randle got good separation on this slant and Eli threw a perfect ball.

10. Almost interception in endzone - Eli throws a fade to Randle to the right and the ball is almost picked off but defender fails to get two feet in. IMO, the defender played the fade route perfectly. I am not sure what else could have been down except find a receiver that is more open. Randle though should have been looking for the ball earlier but didn't even know the ball was in the air.

11. Dropped pass - On 3rd and 3, Eli throws a low ball to Randle beyond the sticks that should have been caught IMO. It was a tough catch but that is what WRs are paid to do.

Conclusion - On 2 targets, he either bobbled the ball or dropped it. The rest of his targets were either catches or not his fault. But IMO his ability to separate is just average. Once the coaches film comes out, I can see whether Randle was getting separation on the other plays that he wasn't targeted.

Is what he is. He is a good blocker though

In comment 11902226 Marty866b said:

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Was a better receiver then Randle. Faster,more sudden in his breaks and played BIG when it counted most.Mario easily got separation. Both are knuckleheads but IMO I take Mario any day over Randle.

I agree. Manningham contributed a lot more to the team's success than Randle has so far. But regardless, the emergence of Cruz across from Nicks sealed Manningham's fate just as the drafting of OBJ with the 12th overall pick has sealed Randle's fate. The Giants will either develop or spend a mid-round pick on the team's next #3 receiver, they certainly won't re-sign Randle.

how Eli n co. said that the ball wasn't forced to RR.... it totally was... 10 targets and 4 receptions? That's not good.

OBJ getting involved really only in 2nd half. 1 target to Donnell/Fells and Cruz with only 1 reception?

seemed like a weird strategy.

no quick WR screens or bubble screens or even RB screens of any sort.

just a weird offensive plan going in and don't get the reason forcing to RR.

wrong but it seemed like the defense was focusing on Cruz/Donnell and daring Randle to beat them. He was single covered on all his targets. But Eli and Randle just weren't dancing to the same song.

Hes going to have some games where he makes a few big plays deep or YAC, and some games where he has like 3 grabs for 20 yrds.

I dont really have a problem with him because his snaps are going to reduce with OBJ coming in.

In comment 11902234 dep026 said:

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In comment 11902230 oldutican said: Quote: Ruben Randle!! You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose.

I will try to be polite, but you are a horse's ass. Yes, I was critical about Eli when he played poorly. And now I am happy to say he is playing as well as ever in this new offense, and optimistic this will continue. My bigger problem was not with Eli, but with you, who constantly found excuses and blamed everyone else, including people who pointed out Eli's lackluster play.

BBI loves to find one or two players to blame, and make them whipping boys who are failing their expectations. Last year it was Nicks, who people said wasn't really trying. I think the truth is more that he just isn't the same player he was in 2011. Now its Randle, who also just may be not that talented a player. He is what he is, a capable but not stellar WR.

In comment 11902442 oldutican said:

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In comment 11902234 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 11902230 oldutican said: Quote: Ruben Randle!! You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose. I will try to be polite, but you are a horse's ass. Yes, I was critical about Eli when he played poorly. And now I am happy to say he is playing as well as ever in this new offense, and optimistic this will continue. My bigger problem was not with Eli, but with you, who constantly found excuses and blamed everyone else, including people who pointed out Eli's lackluster play. BBI loves to find one or two players to blame, and make them whipping boys who are failing their expectations. Last year it was Nicks, who people said wasn't really trying. I think the truth is more that he just isn't the same player he was in 2011. Now its Randle, who also just may be not that talented a player. He is what he is, a capable but not stellar WR.

Blah. blah, blah. You are so full of shit. You come out and make a snide remark, and when called out that you did the same shit last year, you cry.

And again, for the 500th time, I never once said Eli was good last year.... but said his poor play was contributed by a poor OL, shitty WRs, and a lack of a TE. Its not coincidental that now we have a functioning OL, WRs who are making plays for the most part, and a good TE - Eli looks much better. Some times people understand failures a little bit more than you.

But your act last year was as pathetic as they come, and I will be glad to call you out anytime you make a smart ass remark towards people on BBI. You are a horse's ass and now that you look like a fool for your idiotic comments last year.... you are going to twist things around.

You blamed EVERYTHING on Eli last year and even games where he played well, saying "he needs to do more". What a schmuck you are. "Critical" is not the word you should describe your reaction towards him. The more accurate word would be "hater". Glad he is making you look stupid this year.

he was in a horrid offense last year and has looked much better this year. I'm going to give him a full season before making any rash judgements.

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he was in a horrid offense last year and has looked much better this year. I'm going to give him a full season before making any rash judgements.

Problem with Randle is that he never has a clean game. Yeah there will be games where he just doesnt have it or gets shut down. But yesterday he doesnt get a 2nd foot down on a play where any decent WR gets it in for a TD. He drops the 3rd and 3 ball that would have extended a drive late in the 4th, and ran a horrible route where he didnt even know where the ball was in the end zone.

He needs to limit his mistakes because they happen every game.

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he was in a horrid offense last year and has looked much better this year. I'm going to give him a full season before making any rash judgements.

I'm bias because of my LSU ties, but I agree with you. He's played better and made some nice plays for us this year. I mean, OBJ and Cruz will be here for the forseeable future, but if he continues to play the way he has, there's no reason to believe that he won't continue to get touches and make an impact.

his playing time will be reduced now, with the emergence of OBj.....

In some ways, he seems to be a head case.....by that I mean, he can disappear if Eli doesn't force the ball to him, to keep him involved in the game....we will see how this plays out now, with his reduced playing time.....this "pro ready" receiver has been a disappointment....when Nicks was playing bad last year, he had a golden opportunity to step up and didn't....he had another one this year, because OBj was on the sidelines, and he had more playing time, and still did not take advantage of it.......

He looks like a possession receiver, that is not consistent...he better realize he is playing for a roster spot, for next year......

In comment 11902453 dep026 said:

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In comment 11902442 oldutican said: Quote: In comment 11902234 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 11902230 oldutican said: Quote: Ruben Randle!! You sad that it isnt Eli anymore? I am sure you are chomping at the bit to blame him the next time we lose. I will try to be polite, but you are a horse's ass. Yes, I was critical about Eli when he played poorly. And now I am happy to say he is playing as well as ever in this new offense, and optimistic this will continue. My bigger problem was not with Eli, but with you, who constantly found excuses and blamed everyone else, including people who pointed out Eli's lackluster play. BBI loves to find one or two players to blame, and make them whipping boys who are failing their expectations. Last year it was Nicks, who people said wasn't really trying. I think the truth is more that he just isn't the same player he was in 2011. Now its Randle, who also just may be not that talented a player. He is what he is, a capable but not stellar WR. Blah. blah, blah. You are so full of shit. You come out and make a snide remark, and when called out that you did the same shit last year, you cry. And again, for the 500th time, I never once said Eli was good last year.... but said his poor play was contributed by a poor OL, shitty WRs, and a lack of a TE. Its not coincidental that now we have a functioning OL, WRs who are making plays for the most part, and a good TE - Eli looks much better. Some times people understand failures a little bit more than you. But your act last year was as pathetic as they come, and I will be glad to call you out anytime you make a smart ass remark towards people on BBI. You are a horse's ass and now that you look like a fool for your idiotic comments last year.... you are going to twist things around. You blamed EVERYTHING on Eli last year and even games where he played well, saying "he needs to do more". What a schmuck you are. "Critical" is not the word you should describe your reaction towards him. The more accurate word would be "hater". Glad he is making you look stupid this year.

What snide remark? You mean saying Randle was now the whipping boy? And how did you call me out?

My last word is that I am happy Eli is playing so well because I am a Giant fan, and when he plays well the team is very likely playing well. If you think that makes me "look stupid," than I'm happy to look stupid in your juvenile eyes.

to Beckham. The second WR, rather than the lead guy.

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to Beckham. The second WR, rather than the lead guy.

Agree. He's a supporting player.

i have no clue what anyone is watching who thinks otherwise.
his TD grab was an excellent play... the "missed TD" there are like 5 WR in the NFL that can pull that off...
the 3rd down drop there are very few people who catch that... otherwise he ran crisp routes and made some good catches and is makinng a point to protect the ball.

all of our WRs were excellent yesterday. just because you get a ton of targets and dont get a high % of receptions doesnt mean you didnt play well.

And just because you have a negative bias towards a player doesnt mean ever interpretation should be negative... or asking for him to make super human catches.

he has been bad and frustrating at times... but this offense is clicking with him and we are better for it.

turns into a Toomey type possession receiver. That's what he kind of looks like to me. OBJ will help his game IMO.

turns into a Toomey type possession receiver. That's what he kind of looks like to me. OBJ will help his game IMO.

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i have no clue what anyone is watching who thinks otherwise. his TD grab was an excellent play... the "missed TD" there are like 5 WR in the NFL that can pull that off... the 3rd down drop there are very few people who catch that... otherwise he ran crisp routes and made some good catches and is makinng a point to protect the ball. all of our WRs were excellent yesterday. just because you get a ton of targets and dont get a high % of receptions doesnt mean you didnt play well. And just because you have a negative bias towards a player doesnt mean ever interpretation should be negative... or asking for him to make super human catches. he has been bad and frustrating at times... but this offense is clicking with him and we are better for it.

To avoid talking about the real concern. The $8 million slot receiver who can't get separation at the LOS and now has shaky hands. If you were a fanboy of his, you would be eager to find a scapegoat or any possible reason to explain why he now has more drop passes than receptions already 5 weeks into a season.

guess I'm in the minority, but I think he's played well this year. He's a big, tall, possession receiver. He doesn't have "quicks" like Cruz, and isn't a burner, but is an excellent big receiver. His hands are fine, and he blocks well. And no off the field incidents. This offense would suffer a lot if he was gone IMO. People expect too much.

playing poorly or well is contagious. He's light years ahead of lastyear, IMO, and should continue to improve. He makes mistakes but he also made a couple catches yesterday that I didn't think he would be able to do (both comebacks where he had to dive to make the catch, iirc).

And if he's fully replaced soon by ODB, then he'd be able to be one of the better #3 WR's in the NFL. Obviously not what he wants, but for the team, that can be great for us.

would kick in.

Plus sometimes it just takes some guys a few seasons to mature as a player. Toomer was one of those guys.

outside of the bobble in the EZ which led to being out of bounds, I thought he played well. Made a couple hard nosed catches and drew some serious coverage.

It's easy to pick out the bad in anything and ignore the good since we think it should always be the norm.

he's talented but not talented enough or not making enough great plays to make up for his continued high number of bad plays.

He'll lose his starting spot to OBJ within a couple of games I suspect and be relegated to third receiver where he's probably league average.

and even after a win we still have to come down hard on the guy. Pathetic.

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and even after a win we still have to come down hard on the guy. Pathetic.

A win does not mean all 53 played well.

but to only focus on the negatives is still pretty ignorant (not anyone specifically). Randle didn't play an awful game. He had 1 glaring mistake, but still made some tough catches.

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but to only focus on the negatives is still pretty ignorant (not anyone specifically). Randle didn't play an awful game. He had 1 glaring mistake, but still made some tough catches.

This is one thread. There are plenty of positive threads. Randle is a frustrating player.