NGT: What happened to Tiki Barber?

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Nothing whatsoever stale about dredging up something from seven years ago.

and a baby

In comment 11907419 spike said:

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and a baby

and more likely than not, a mistress.

all over the ESPN and NFL Network shows and Tiki cant get a job it really tells you something

walks around New York pretending to be Rhonde.

For a couple of dopey comments. He was a great player for this team. One of the top offensive players in Giants history and nobody had issue until he said what? That Eli lacked leadership? Might have been a valid point at the time.

an epic whatever

Man, he threw together some sick numbers. And played like a warrior. Wish we had him now.

is on CBS radio in the morning, and to be honest, at this stage, Giants fans angst about him probably should be let go. One of the games on my list to review next year is the 2006 game at Washington when Tiki ran for 234 yards and 3 TDs to lead the Giants to a 34-28 win. That win put the Giants at 8-8, but good enough for a Wild Card and more importantly good enough to save Coughlin's job. If Tiki doesn't have his big day, the Giants go 7-9, miss the playoff and Coughlin is fired.

In comment 11907478 fishmike said:

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For a couple of dopey comments. He was a great player for this team. One of the top offensive players in Giants history and nobody had issue until he said what? That Eli lacked leadership? Might have been a valid point at the time. an epic whatever

Wasn't just that. His whole first year on NBC he was an arrogant dick. Brought nothing to the table as a color analyst. Then he left his 8 months pregnant wife(twins) for a younger woman. Not a great story for an on air personality. Is he some criminal, certainly not, but he was extremely unlikable on the air.

Some guys are better thought of before they take off the helmet and start talking for more than a few minutes. Tiki is one of them.

is living the life after football that tiki dreamed of.

Or Shockey or any of our loveable loudmouths.

After the Giants beat the Bucs in the playoffs before Super Bowl 42, I was walking away from the area where the podium was and I was right next to Michael Strahan. Just then Tiki walked up and opened his arms as if to say, "what the hell." Strahan was like, "Oh man, I thought you were Ronde." Tiki replied, "We played together for like 10 years and you think I'm F-ing Ronde?"

I always thought that was pretty telling too. Typically if you're friends with twins, or even one of a pair of twins, you can tell them apart pretty easily. It says something (in my opinion) that Strahan didn't recognize him immediately.

Third hand information at best, I know, but I've heard from other Hoos I know who knew Ginny at school that they didn't blame Tiki for leaving her because she's always been a massive bitch. Just saying it's hard to assess blame in the failure of a marriage when you don't know the principals.

Tiki was terrific on the field. He was good at all facets of the game and was a true warrior. There have been many ex-Giants who are not good people. Tiki isn't one of them.

In comment 11907501 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 11907478 fishmike said: Quote: For a couple of dopey comments. He was a great player for this team. One of the top offensive players in Giants history and nobody had issue until he said what? That Eli lacked leadership? Might have been a valid point at the time. an epic whatever Wasn't just that. His whole first year on NBC he was an arrogant dick. Brought nothing to the table as a color analyst. Then he left his 8 months pregnant wife(twins) for a younger woman. Not a great story for an on air personality. Is he some criminal, certainly not, but he was extremely unlikable on the air. Some guys are better thought of before they take off the helmet and start talking for more than a few minutes. Tiki is one of them.

It isn't just Giants fans, all though that is what gets all the attention.

Also, I never understood why Giants fans get so wrapped up in his personal life, who cares? I'm sure there is a lot more of that going on with current and former players then we realize and none of us truely know what was going on behind closed doors.

In comment 11907520 JOrthman said:

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In comment 11907501 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: In comment 11907478 fishmike said: Quote: For a couple of dopey comments. He was a great player for this team. One of the top offensive players in Giants history and nobody had issue until he said what? That Eli lacked leadership? Might have been a valid point at the time. an epic whatever Wasn't just that. His whole first year on NBC he was an arrogant dick. Brought nothing to the table as a color analyst. Then he left his 8 months pregnant wife(twins) for a younger woman. Not a great story for an on air personality. Is he some criminal, certainly not, but he was extremely unlikable on the air. Some guys are better thought of before they take off the helmet and start talking for more than a few minutes. Tiki is one of them. It isn't just Giants fans, all though that is what gets all the attention. Also, I never understood why Giants fans get so wrapped up in his personal life, who cares? I'm sure there is a lot more of that going on with current and former players then we realize and none of us truely know what was going on behind closed doors.

JO, I think the stuff about his ex just didn't help what was already a damaged image. And sadly there a hundreds of horrible reality shows that the public watches, focusing on famous(or supposedly famous) people's personal lives Obviously some people like to get all wrapped up others issues. It shouldn't matter much but its become a staple of the current culture.

him and his ex is nobody's business.

join the Housewives of New York City for more exposure.

But given that, what's not understandable is that Lawrence Taylor still can't walk into a bar in New York or New Jersey without getting a standing ovation and free drinks.

But back to Tiki, I always thought there had to be more to the story of why he'd leave his then wife just before she was due to give birth.

comes from the fact he quit on the team and then talked bad about Tom and Eli.
He still had plenty left to play and was not injured. He openly admitted resenting Eli because he felt the team was starting over with him and had no chance at a championship in the near future, or Tiki's near future.

He was selfish and then threw current NYG's under the bus

A lot of Giant fans did not like that..

two I's in Tiki.

The history of RBs and how they perform at his age and older is pretty grim. I think he expected a pretty significant fall-off in 2007. And he once said something like, "Who's going to be cheering me on when I'm 50 and I can't walk up a flight of steps?"

And what I never hear anybody mention, is that if Tiki doesn't blow up and set the team's single-game rushing record in his last regular season game (against Washington), we probably lose the game and miss the playoffs. Coughlin likely gets fired, which means we very likely don't win the Super Bowl the following year.

He didn't give the cliche, stock answers and for that people hate him.

And he was selfish? He was a 31 year-old small RB who was tired of taking a pounding after 5 years of being the entire Giants offense. He obviously was financially secure, I'd love to see how "selfless" you would be in his shoes.

his last 5 seasons, ages 26-31. He was 5-10, 200lbs. He also was an intelligent guy. He wanted to pursue other avenues in his life and not take the physical beating anymore. Regardless of how it all worked out, the man has a right to do that and not be labeled as selfish. Perhaps his sole purpose on earth was not to entertain you on Sundays, Giant fan.

Comical.
And to be clear this was his exact wording:

"His personality hasn't been so that he can step up, make a strong statement and have people believe that it's coming from his heart," Barber said on the show.

"He didn't feel like his voice was going to be strong enough and it showed," Barber said. "Sometimes it was almost comical the way that he would say things."

Would you say those things on national TV about a co worker or "friend"? Call into question their ability to do their job?
His comments were personal.

was during games the Giants were losing, he'd take time on the field to yuk it up with opponents. Him laughing with that toothy grin while me and hundreds of other Giants fans have smoke pouring from our ears see this kind of nonsense. It was as if he didn't give a damn about winning or losing. At least no where near what a Giant fan cares.

That pissed me off far more than rather dumb comments.

In comment 11907726 RELICDOA said:

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Comical. And to be clear this was his exact wording: "His personality hasn't been so that he can step up, make a strong statement and have people believe that it's coming from his heart," Barber said on the show. "He didn't feel like his voice was going to be strong enough and it showed," Barber said. "Sometimes it was almost comical the way that he would say things." Would you say those things on national TV about a co worker or "friend"? Call into question their ability to do their job? His comments were personal.

Suppose you were the friend he spoke of - would you consider hating the guy, seven years later, even after you've so unquestionably proven the guy wrong?

Now, consider the fact that you're neither his co-worker, nor his friend.

In comment 11907733 mrvax said:

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was during games the Giants were losing, he'd take time on the field to yuk it up with opponents. Him laughing with that toothy grin while me and hundreds of other Giants fans have smoke pouring from our ears see this kind of nonsense. It was as if he didn't give a damn about winning or losing. At least no where near what a Giant fan cares. That pissed me off far more than rather dumb comments.

Well to him, it was just another job and a step stone to something "bigger"

He would have won a Super Bowl and have the respect of his teammates and peers.

wins.

Thankful for his contributions on the field, but just don't like the dude. And it has little to do with his cheating on his wife. I didn't like his comments about Eli, plain and simple. I don't go around with a Tiki voodoo doll, but I'm not going to praise him either.

Just think he's a douche.

I don't care who you are or what you did, if you bash the NY Giants, fans of the NY Giants will hate you back, plain and simple.

Tiki bashed the Giants and the Giant fans turned on him. He'll someday be in their good graces again but it wont happen until Eli and Tom are no longer active on Sunday afternoons for the Giants.

I'm good with that.

for any reason, or no reason at all. But it shows some profoundly messed up priorities that Tiki gets this level of hate, while LT is still revered.

stated how I feel.

In comment 11907788 JohnB said:

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I don't care who you are or what you did, if you bash the NY Giants, fans of the NY Giants will hate you back, plain and simple. Tiki bashed the Giants and the Giant fans turned on him. He'll someday be in their good graces again but it wont happen until Eli and Tom are no longer active on Sunday afternoons for the Giants. I'm good with that.

Tiki Barber never "bashed" the Giants.

Is bashing the giants. Eli is the franchise.

You can be critical of the team without obviously taking aim. Toomer and Banks can be real pointed and do it often.

He is made out to be a villain on these boards but the guy was a lifetime giant and always played his hardest. He made some dumb comments but seriously, none of you have ever laughed watching Eli try to make a serious pregame/postgame statement? He's awkward, no doubt about it.

His comments were probably very true, and probably shared by a lot of other players, but we've all come to love Eli even if he is a bit awkward.

He should not have said what he said publicly, but let's not pretend what he said isn't at least partially true.

I'm not saying Eli isn't a great leader, I think he is, but he can be very funny even when he's trying to be serious.

became everything Tiki thought he could be.

Tepid criticism of Eli Manning is not "bashing the Giants". It simply isn't.

In comment 11907444 Chef said:

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all over the ESPN and NFL Network shows and Tiki cant get a job it really tells you something

Tiki's delivery is weak. IMO, he doesn't appeal to anybody on radio just as he didn't appeal to anybody on TV. He's boring, very general, not emotional, not funny, never teaches or educates about the game from like a Pat Kirwin, etc.

Tiki always was and akways will be one of my favorite giants. Wah wahhhhh he was mean about eli when most of bbi agreed with his comments wahhhhhh. Shut the fuck up already.

In comment 11907857 Greg from LI said:

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Tepid criticism of Eli Manning is not "bashing the Giants". It simply isn't.

Catergorizing his attempts to take a leadership role as'comical' is not 'tepid'. There's nothing lukewarm about that. That's a shot. You're way off.

In comment 11907424 mrvax said:

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In comment 11907419 spike said: Quote: and a baby even when you marry your mistress, she will always Be Just Your Mistress. and more likely than not, a mistress.

In comment 11907498 Matt in SGS said:

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is on CBS radio in the morning, and to be honest, at this stage, Giants fans angst about him probably should be let go. One of the games on my list to review next year is the 2006 game at Washington when Tiki ran for 234 yards and 3 TDs to lead the Giants to a 34-28 win. That win put the Giants at 8-8, but good enough for a Wild Card and more importantly good enough to save Coughlin's job. If Tiki doesn't have his big day, the Giants go 7-9, miss the playoff and Coughlin is fired.

One of my favorite games ever. Talk about carrying a team on your back. Not to mention, probably one of the greatest performances ever in a professionals final game.

You can have lunch with Tiki and find out for yourself!

Tell 'em Sam sent you, and he'll have no idea who I am.

See:Bradshaw,Jacobs. Hell, he'll trot you out there with broken ankles.Barber was determined he wasn't gonna be that guy.he said stupid shit, I resented him for it, it wasn't harte worthy,a nd certainly not after all this time, Best RB the Giants ever had.Gave everything on the field.We could use more players like that.

However, he announced his retirement during the season when his team was in the playoff hunt. Extremely selfish move. He then threw a young highly criticized quarterback under the new York media bus by describing his leadership as laughable. His fall from grace is well deserved.

He felt the Giants weren't going anywhere, he was tired of being beaten up on the field and he had media career staring him in the face. So he decided to retire and make it all about him...

Then he proceeded to make a series of poor judgments with his mouth, showed the world he wasn't all that good behind the camera and screwed up his personal life to boot.

Oh, and he missed out on a fabulous, albeit unlikely, Superbowl run. This piece was unfortunate because he was a great player for us.

Oh well...life takes some strange turns.

Had Tiki and Shockey a bit more humble and Plax doesn't shoot himself in the leg, would the Giants have been dynasty. The 2008 team was great while the 10-6 misses the playoffs after the Eagles collapse.

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Get your facts straight, man!

is that the way things were going Tiki could very easily have looked sage. Eli was struggling, Coughlin was on relatively thin ice. The team came together, Eli matured and he looked foolish and self-serving, but at the beginning of the year he was really just saying things everyone already knew.

And as for retirement, these guys don't owe us a fucking thing. He didn't want to be staggering around punch drunk at age 40, that is a pretty respectable sentiment. He is an educated man, even if he is down on his luck now he still has options.

he had waited on year and played on Coughlin's first SB team. He would never have criticized either Eli or Coughlin and he would have become the toast of NY. I bet he still kicks himself for hanging it up in 2006.

Huge mistake going to NBC.

and thinks he is superior, a legend in his own mind. He was very unlikeable as an analyst. Add in the way he dumped his wife and kids and I don't think it matters if he had stayed and won the SB or not.

And would they have won had he stayed? How would he have behaved when they were 0-2? Would he have bought in, or would he have been griping to the press after the Vikings loss, or the Redskins loss when they through it 52 times in gale force winds? I think he would have sabotaged TCs attempt to reinvent himself.