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I am so impressed with this Coughlin-McAdoo hybrid offense.

Mike in Long Beach : 10/9/2014 1:24 pm
I think it was who posted a NY Post article recently on the way Coughlin adapted, went through McAdoo's set of plays, and play by play, they put together the playbook that is now the new Giants offense.

Think about this: Not only has Coughlin always ran his offenses his way for the last 20 years, but Eli has had the same coordinator for 10 years. Then you tack on how much personnel that has changed both upfront and in the backfield and honestly, the fact that we had one offensively unproductive preseason and six crappy NFL quarters of an adjustment period is absolutely remarkable.

It really, really is.

Last Sunday's game, to me, is the best testament to both Coughlin and McAdoo's respect for each other's views, because it seems both are well aware they have the same common goal.

Not only were the Giants trailing by 10 points in the second half, but their running back--who has been very good--suffered an injury that would keep him out the rest of the game. With that in mind, I think even people who prefer Coughlin's style of football would have understood restricting Coughlin's power running game and putting the young coordinator's west coast offense to the test.

But no... in comes Andre Williams. A rookie. He goes on to carry the ball 20 times, scores a touchdown and the Giants go on a 20-0 run. This allowed McAdoo's system to work.

Can anyone here recall two very different systems come together and work so well with such a brief initial lack of continuity?

Can anyone else remember a time when the ego of a young man trying to prove himself and the ego of an old man who already has proven everything never getting in the way of each other?

It's only five games and there is plenty of time for that to happen, but it didn't happen after an embarrassing 0-2 start with calls for Ryan Nassib all over the place. It didn't happen when trailing by 10 at home against a team decimated with injuries that we should have been beating up on. There is no panic button with this staff.

So far, this seems to be a marriage that is working because of the same thing that makes real marriages work. Trust. These two men trust each other and believe in each other.

I think we have a lot of good things coming our way.
Good post Mike..  
bLiTz 2k : 10/9/2014 1:28 pm : link
I don't think we as fans give enough credit to how difficult this transition period could possibly have been. Yes other teams implement new systems and coaches and some have immediate success...however I think the fact that a Tom Coughlin coached team has successfully gone through such a fundamental change (thus far), is remarkable.

However the season plays out, this is the most intriguing Giants team I have watched during the Coughlin era.
I have to admit  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/9/2014 1:29 pm : link
that for the first time in years, when the Giants line up I have no idea whats comming.

Very happy with what I'm seeing. Hope they can keep it up
nice post  
mattlawson : 10/9/2014 1:30 pm : link
at various times Gilbride + Coughlins offense was in my opinion the best in the NFL... but it had to be firing on all cylinders for 60 minutes to do that.

in a way, it's unrealistic to expect to field that dynamic on a consistent basis.

i like what ive seen so far - we havent won anything of great value yet though... but i like what im seeing and it's progress for sure.
.  
arcarsenal : 10/9/2014 1:30 pm : link
"We're running the Packers offense"

- Half of BBI
If mcadoo  
dontboobigblue : 10/9/2014 1:32 pm : link
Is calling plays here for 10 years you will know what to expect.
The Giants are actually running at a rate that's more than both  
BeerFridge : 10/9/2014 1:36 pm : link
the Giants have been running or the Packers ran. It's unusual for both "Coughlin offense" and "McAdoo offense".

That's probably because the run game right now is really working and it's still the best way to beat a team down.
Two things stand out  
David in LA : 10/9/2014 1:44 pm : link
we're putting ourselves in more manageable down and distance situations. Secondly, our redzone efficiency has been like night and day compared to the past 2 seasons.
RE: Good post Mike..  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/9/2014 1:44 pm : link
In comment 11908867 bLiTz 2k said:
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I don't think we as fans give enough credit to how difficult this transition period could possibly have been. Yes other teams implement new systems and coaches and some have immediate success...however I think the fact that a Tom Coughlin coached team has successfully gone through such a fundamental change (thus far), is remarkable.

However the season plays out, this is the most intriguing Giants team I have watched during the Coughlin era.


Well said. I tried to be patient, but it seemed so many were telling me not to be. A Jets fan buddy of mine, who wasn't even trying to be a dick, said to another Jets fan during the Lions game "Well... at least we're better than the Giants."

He wasn't talking trash so I wasn't offended, but it amazes me how little people respected the difficulty of what we are been trying to accomplish.

- The entire interior OL is new.
- New running back
- New (starting) WR with a consistent presence of 5 years gone
- First new system in 10 years.

Not only were people jumping the gun on calling it a failure, but I'm actually shocked at how quickly it's turned into a success.
Is this is a kiss butt exercise?  
JS899294 : 10/9/2014 1:57 pm : link
after 3 straight wins, you got great timing.
I don't think we've even seen them scratch the surface  
Wuphat : 10/9/2014 1:59 pm : link
on what this offense might be capable of accomplishing.

The emphasis on the running game  
dpinzow : 10/9/2014 1:59 pm : link
is Coughlin's influence and helps make McAdoo's Green Bay schemes better because the running game keeps the defenses honest and makes the quick hitting passes easier to execute
Here's the thing..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/9/2014 2:01 pm : link
TC ONLY cares about winning and will adapt when necessary..With new OC he simply adapted to the present times..

Best part is  
gmen9892 : 10/9/2014 2:02 pm : link
It only stands a chance to get better. They are only going to implement more and more of it the more comfortable the players become with it. Like the Cards staff and players said, it took them 8 weeks to fully grasp their new system last year. I say were a bit ahead of that curve. Trying to not get too hyped about that prospect...
RE: Is this is a kiss butt exercise?  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/9/2014 2:03 pm : link
In comment 11908956 JS899294 said:
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after 3 straight wins, you got great timing.


It's not really ass kissing. I think the turnaround is very worthy of praise.
Sooner or later all great HCs adapt or they leave/get fired.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/9/2014 2:03 pm : link
Parcells went from Smashmouth with us to Air Bledsoe the first few years..
RE: Here's the thing..  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/9/2014 2:05 pm : link
In comment 11908971 Big Blue '56 said:
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TC ONLY cares about winning and will adapt when necessary..With new OC he simply adapted to the present times..


I don't disagree with this, but two Super Bowls and the oldest age amongst NFL coaches sometimes cloud an intelligent man's judgment. In the article Eric posted, it stated how he could've gone with Sullivan or another person familiar with the Giants' system, but that didn't happen. I don't know.. it impresses me the man had the self awareness at his age to wipe the slate clean.
RE: The emphasis on the running game  
Victor in CT : 10/9/2014 2:05 pm : link
In comment 11908965 dpinzow said:
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is Coughlin's influence and helps make McAdoo's Green Bay schemes better because the running game keeps the defenses honest and makes the quick hitting passes easier to execute


Good point. The physicality is what keeps it in the Giants/TC tradition.
This season is still going to demand some patience.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/9/2014 2:16 pm : link
First, the team is still learning. Second, it's leaning on rookies: Richburg, Williams and Beckham. Rookies make mistakes.

Third, and most important, the league hasn't had much film of the Giants offense. Now they do, and defenses will know better how to game plan against it. Against Atlanta, it appeared their plan was to take away Cruz and Donnell. That plan backfired with Beckham in the game.

I expect Philly will bring max pressure, because you can't game-plan to take away three receivers, and force the Giants to make Williams pick up blitzes. That will be a big test for the Giants' line and RBs.
Love me some uptempo  
OC : 10/9/2014 2:16 pm : link
Not having to pucker up as I watch the play clock run down.
Nassib 2015 And Beyond  
Trainmaster : 10/9/2014 2:20 pm : link
Now that the talk of Nassib taking over in 2014 for an Eli in a steep decline can be put to bed, what are the prospects for Nassib going forward?

It appears fairly likely that Eli will still be playing (and at a high level) when Nassib becomes a free agent (2017?). Unlike the other backups drafted by the Giants (e.g. Woodson, Bomar), Nassib seems (albeit based on limited pre-season data) to have the skills to be a starting QB for someone someday.

Given the crappy QB play that several "bottom dweller teams" are suffering through, how likely is that a very attractive offer to trade Nassib might come to the Giants (e.g. from Buffalo) AFTER the 2014 season (I don't see anyway the Giants would trade him mid season this year)?

1) Do the Giants simply hold onto Nassib, let him learn and improve, and keep him as an apparently capable (and cheap) backup and Eli's "heir apparent" and let him likely walk in 2017 (or whenever he is a free agent) if Eli still has a few more years left in 2017?

2) Or, would the Giants be better off trying to trade (or entertain offers for) Nassib before he walks via free agency and get a veteran backup for 2015; what would an "attractive offer" be: a 3rd rounder (doesn't seem worth trading him and starting over), a 2nd rounder (maybe), a 1st rounder (of course, but highly doubt Nassib would command that)?

I don't see the very attractive offer coming and I see the Giants staying the course with Nassib in 2014 and likely 2015; hopefully we don't find out how good he is or isn't in the regular season during that stretch.

I do see the Giants have a better backup QB situation (quality and cost) than they have had in a long time.
Crap  
Trainmaster : 10/9/2014 2:22 pm : link
I meant to start this as a new thread (which I have now done).
If we can get a 5th or better, I say peddle Nassib  
Big Blue '56 : 10/9/2014 2:24 pm : link
to any possible willing takers and sign a vet back-up until you find it propitious to draft your future
RE: I have to admit  
santacruzom : 10/9/2014 2:29 pm : link
In comment 11908868 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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that for the first time in years, when the Giants line up I have no idea whats comming.

Very happy with what I'm seeing. Hope they can keep it up


Definitely. For the first time, a huge part of the appeal of watching a Giants game for me -- and a huge reason why I so impatiently await Sundays now -- just comes from wondering what they'll do or who will shine next offensively.
On the other hand,  
CT Charlie : 10/9/2014 2:36 pm : link
if we'd had this year's OL last year, Gilbride's offense might have looked just fine.
Let's wait and see  
snumber6 : 10/9/2014 3:10 pm : link
I expected us to get off to a quick start as we knew what we were doing but the opposing DCs wouldn't ... for whatever reason, new OL and TE not knowing capabilities we got off to a rocky couple of games ... Now we are rolling as I expected but still say wait and see once opposing DCs figure things out and how to combat things ...
Gilbride's offense was not easy to prepare for ... as even we didn't know what we were doing until we saw the defense ...
For McAdoo/TC ... let's see ...
A lot of our current Offensive success  
silverfox : 10/9/2014 3:18 pm : link
...is that apposing teams have little film to watch in which to document our tendencies. With Gilbride, half the civilized world knew what the next play was...for YEARS this was true.

We won games in spite of Gilbride...and once this McAdoo offense starts to really kick in...oh my what thing of beauty it is.

The last coach I can remember adapting so dramatically was Don Shula.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/9/2014 3:25 pm : link
Right around the time the NFL to changed the rules to encourage passing, the Dolphins lucked into Dan Marino and added Mark Duper and Mark Clayton. Within a year or two, Shula completely changed his offensive philosophy.
The basic difference ….  
Manny in CA : 10/9/2014 4:12 pm : link
Coughlin - look deep, if nothing's open dump off short

McAdoo - Look for the short receiver pulling way from the defender; if nothing open look deep
This is probably the best Football post you've ever made Mike...  
Damon : 10/9/2014 4:34 pm : link
FEK, I agree with you completely.

It's a blend of both philosophies... Up-tempo quick passes.. Then you see Eli sitting in a clean (that's the most important thing) pocket for 9 seconds throwing the ball deep.

Until the second half... instead of going no-huddle which has been a nice accoutrement of the McAdoo Offense... they slowed it down... to run clock and keep a high powered Atlanta O off the field longer...

Power running... clock consuming... setting up Play Action field stretching plays... Or quick hit don't let the D change personnel, keep them on their heels... It's a diverse and very dangerous attack. But it all depends on the players.. And right now the players are executing... Let's hope they only get better.
Eli is zipping in there also,...  
Shockwave : 10/9/2014 4:35 pm : link
In addition to all the other post, Eli is really zipping it there this year harder than I have ever seen before. His short throw accuracy so is much better as well.
RE: This is probably the best Football post you've ever made Mike...  
mfsd : 10/9/2014 5:49 pm : link
In comment 11909291 Damon said:
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FEK, I agree with you completely.

It's a blend of both philosophies... Up-tempo quick passes.. Then you see Eli sitting in a clean (that's the most important thing) pocket for 9 seconds throwing the ball deep.

Until the second half... instead of going no-huddle which has been a nice accoutrement of the McAdoo Offense... they slowed it down... to run clock and keep a high powered Atlanta O off the field longer...

Power running... clock consuming... setting up Play Action field stretching plays... Or quick hit don't let the D change personnel, keep them on their heels... It's a diverse and very dangerous attack. But it all depends on the players.. And right now the players are executing... Let's hope they only get better.


yup - the ball control part is overlooked with the running game - in the first half, our defense was on the field a lot, compounded by the fumble on the kick return. By staying faithful to the running game, we also gave our defense the rest it needed to hold down Atlanta after the long TD
I love the Old man  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/9/2014 6:39 pm : link
he is smart enough to adapt abd change witht he times, He's like a grandfather to these youngers and he's what many of them NEED to become successful pro's and Men

TC can stay also long as he likes in my book
Corey Washington  
SBlue46 : 10/9/2014 7:28 pm : link
Is the wildcard..when OBJ..gets doubled like Cruz
He's going go to be wide open.....
this O will be huge...just need to tighten up D
you forgot Randle  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/9/2014 8:05 pm : link
and Donnell

Beckham is a game changer
RE: Corey Washington  
81_Great_Dane : 10/9/2014 8:13 pm : link
In comment 11909511 SBlue46 said:
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Is the wildcard..when OBJ..gets doubled like Cruz
He's going go to be wide open.....
this O will be huge...just need to tighten up D
Wait. I enjoyed Corey Washington's preseason too, but he's behind Beckham, Randle, Cruz and Parker at WR, and the tight ends and RBs are all receivers in this offense. If Washington was any farther down the progressions for the Giants, he'd be Julian Talley.
RE: Corey Washington  
Klaatu : 10/9/2014 8:37 pm : link
In comment 11909511 SBlue46 said:
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Is the wildcard..when OBJ..gets doubled like Cruz
He's going go to be wide open.....
this O will be huge...just need to tighten up D


I hear it's snowing on your planet. I hope you're dressed warmly.
RE: On the other hand,  
mrvax : 10/9/2014 8:40 pm : link
In comment 11909091 CT Charlie said:
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if we'd had this year's OL last year, Gilbride's offense might have looked just fine.


Nah. It became stale and predictable. Still would have had lousy red zone efficiency.
RE: I love the Old man  
AnishPatel : 10/9/2014 9:05 pm : link
In comment 11909456 Paulie Walnuts said:
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he is smart enough to adapt abd change witht he times, He's like a grandfather to these youngers and he's what many of them NEED to become successful pro's and Men

TC can stay also long as he likes in my book


It's nice he shook things up and hired Ben M over Mike Sullivan, however, I still don't believe Gilbride just retired. I think if Mara didn't come out and say the offense was broken, I think Gilbride says. So I believe both get props. TC for hiring Ben M. and Mara for facilitating change in the first place.

I do wonder sometimes, if the season ended and Mara doesn't say that does TC go in another direction or would we be back in the same system as the last decade once again?
RE: Eli is zipping in there also,...  
drkenneth : 10/9/2014 9:57 pm : link
In comment 11909296 Shockwave said:
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In addition to all the other post, Eli is really zipping it there this year harder than I have ever seen before. His short throw accuracy so is much better as well.


Agreed. He's been throwing the ball better than ever.
Anish- Yup.  
drkenneth : 10/9/2014 9:58 pm : link
I think Mara forced the issue. KG didn't retire.
RE: Anish- Yup.  
Optimus-NY : 10/9/2014 11:13 pm : link
In comment 11909816 drkenneth said:
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I think Mara forced the issue. KG didn't retire.


word up ma brutha.
RE: If mcadoo  
SHO'NUFF : 10/10/2014 12:54 am : link
In comment 11908876 dontboobigblue said:
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Is calling plays here for 10 years you will know what to expect.


you're probably right...but let's hope McAdoo stays innovative enough to change it up every season. My opinion is that an offensive/defensive coordinator has a certain shelf life, and the Head Coach, if self-preservation is priority, would jettison his coach before things get too stale.

on the flipside, I hope McAdoo is calling plays for 10 years here, if not ultimately promoted to HC.
Should probably be hoping some team doesn't poach him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/10/2014 8:26 am : link
for Head Coach by next season before thinking he'll replace TC.
If this offense stays consistent throughout the year..  
Canton : 10/10/2014 8:42 am : link
McAdoo is as good as gone. Book it.
late to the party  
aquidneck : 10/10/2014 9:22 am : link
OP was brilliant.

We're having success. Now it's time to get nervous.

Ha!
credit to Eli  
fishmike : 10/10/2014 10:05 am : link
We have been reading about all the extra time he's put in to learn the playbook and verbage. Weve read about all the extra time he's spend with OB getting him up to speed. Instead of struggling for a couple months while they work on a brand new system it was a week and a couple preseason games. Its not all about just making good passes...
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