What's the plan with the coaching staff beyond this year?

On how the season plays out.

If the Giants miss the playoffs, but they're competitive down the stretch and in the hunt the last couple of weeks I don't think the Giants make a change at head coach.

But if they miss the playoffs and have more games like this past Sunday's Eagles game and finish 6-10 or so, than I think they could go tell Coughlin they're going in a different direction.

In comment 11918593 EddieNYG said:

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On how the season plays out. If the Giants miss the playoffs, but they're competitive down the stretch and in the hunt the last couple of weeks I don't think the Giants make a change at head coach. But if they miss the playoffs and have more games like this past Sunday's Eagles game and finish 6-10 or so, than I think they could go tell Coughlin they're going in a different direction.

What about McAdoo in that case?

I think it's playoff or bust for everyone, excluding Tom Quinn. Quinn will be here until the day Jesus returns.

and just came off 3 pretty impressive wins. Too many games like last night in the Coughlin era. Going back to 2005 when they played Carolina in the first playoff game and the game was very similar to last nights. Just seems they come into some games so ill prepared.

However, to make a judgement now about this season would make no sense. Still playing with a sub par offensive and defensive line. I am pretty sure coaching changes are the last thing this team is thinking about right now and a win next week will have everybody feeling good again

Tom has already the longest Giants HC in the Modern Era.....he is 68....Much heartfelt thanks for the SBs Tom but its time for Nick Saban or Jim Harbaugh to take the reigns

It would be nice if he would exit gracefully as he deserves but I'm afraid he will never go willingly

We are a sad sack team of late.....its got to stop.
Switching out McCLain last night was reason enough to realize Tom is out of touch with football reality

After the Eagles went up 20 points against a soft Beason led D they were playing with house money and just stacked the box and blitzed all night long......and it was a long long night

We are now 0-3 with Beason, and 3-0 with McClain.......Tom

COME ON MAN!!!!!

if the offense shows improvement in the back half of the year, I think we may part ways with Coughlin and hand the reigns over to MacAdoo.

In comment 11918607 JAKK777 said:

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Tom has already the longest Giants HC in the Modern Era.....he is 68....Much heartfelt thanks for the SBs Tom but its time for Nick Saban or Jim Harbaugh to take the reigns It would be nice if he would exit gracefully as he deserves but I'm afraid he will never go willingly We are a sad sack team of late.....its got to stop. Switching out McCLain last night was reason enough to realize Tom is out of touch with football reality After the Eagles went up 20 points against a soft Beason led D they were playing with house money and just stacked the box and blitzed all night long......and it was a long long night We are now 0-3 with Beason, and 3-0 with McClain.......Tom COME ON MAN!!!!!

Giants would never hire Harbaugh. Why Saban, he is toward end of career with one year of NFL experience?

. He can help young men and make a great deal of money instead of fighting with old guys that take off plays and get paid less. Most of his guys are already starting on teams after being drafted why does he want to come to the NFL?

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Next 4-5 weeks are critical. If we go to say 3-7 or 4-6, I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I don't see how ownership will not make a change if there's another miss and sub-500 team especially.

Also, McAdoo for all his praise that he's gotten apparently telegraphed the gameplan and checkdowns to the Eagles defense along with Eli, absent the OL issues. I don't get how OCs and QBs get so predictable and stale with their playbooks and option plays in an era of modern communication and high-intelligence on both sides of the ball.

I could easily see a defense-minded HC next year (not Fewell), and desire to maintain McAdoo.

I wonder if the Giants would also have interest if they decide to go in a different direction.

All this said, though.. there's still a lot of football to be played. And I think people are a little too eager to push TC out the door sometimes. The grass isn't always greener.

there's more pressure on Reese to draft well and sign younger FAs, especially in OL and (take your pick)LB, secondary, and WR, than the coaching staff. Our roster was about 8-8 or 9-7 before the RJ, VC and DRC situations. And remember JR and group are about 2 years behind in starting the process of making the changes we saw necessary in '12, not '14.
I think everybody , unless TQ is asked to 'retire, gets 1 more shot.
Personally I believe we will do well after the bye and get to at least 7-9 and look like we are making progress.

They don't get a pass either. We are still talent poor based on poor drafting and / or scouting.

Based on his recent drafts (which admittedly is likely an apples to oranges comparisons), do we trust Reese to pick a good head coach?

We don't need the "JPP of coaches".

Depending how badly the Giants finish and how pissed off Mara is at the end of the season, a complete front office and coaching staff clean out is entirely possible.

In comment 11918639 arcarsenal said:

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I wonder if the Giants would also have interest if they decide to go in a different direction. All this said, though.. there's still a lot of football to be played. And I think people are a little too eager to push TC out the door sometimes. The grass isn't always greener.

My point of the thread wasn't to push him out but more to commit to him beyond the one year 'prove it' extension. I don't understand giving TC a one year extension and then giving McAdoo a two year contract. Chances are, this team may NOT make the playoffs, BUT show improvement offensively. Where does that leave Coughlin if it is no playoffs? Is this a make or break year?

I think 8-8 or worse with no playoffs and there's a solid chance he's gone.

9-7 with no playoffs he might get another year. Playoffs and he will stay.. even if we lose the first game.

At least that's what I think we're looking at.

I really don't think Reese is an issue. I do think Ross should be replaced.

the biggest prob. is coaching. For the players we have we should be playing much better, especially on Defense. I mean look at Dallas. Their Defense should be abismal, but their coordinator knows how to use the personal he has to their advantage. We haven't had that on Defense since Spags IMO. Fewell is garbage, Quinn is garbage, and im sorry but as much as I like Tom Coughlin, he isn't the greatest at playing players to their strengths, and putting young players in position to develop. This trend has to change if we want to win anything.

Question is whether McAdoo gets the HC job and then brings in his own assistants.

and i like what Mcadoo has done up until last night.

IMO, Fewell might be on the hot seat after the season ends. The Giants spent a bolt load of $$ on the defense and they have been a huge disappointment thus far.

Getting back to the front office and the draft. Has Reese and co been perfect? NO. However, please tell me one team that has. The biggest issue with our players via the draft has been injuries.

Steve Smith, Hakeen NIcks, Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, Mario Manningham, cooper taylor, TT, Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Andre Brown, heck even Aaron Ross were all great draft prospects who had their careers cut short or are no longer on the giants due to injuries.

Solid Draft picks:
Beckham, Richburg, Kennard, Andre Williams, Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Prince, JW, JPP, Jospeh, Beatty, Randle (hoping he improves), Nassib

Busts:
Hosley, Robinson, Mosley, Jernigan, Brewer, Dillard, Beckum, Barden, Kehl

Undrafted signings:
Cruz, Donnell, Hyno, and blackburn were all been great finds. (Did not spend much time researching this section).


Now lets go into big free agency....
Rolle was a great signing.
Canty was very solid for us.
I really like what DRC has done up to this point,
Michael Boley and Rocky Bernard both had their moments.
Deon Grant was not a big signing, but was a great addition
David Baas was key in our superbowl run... too bad he couldn't stay healthy.
Cullen Jenkins has been a solid addition
Raashad Jennings has been great until injury
Schwartz still remains to be been seen


Injuries continue to make this front office look bad... Can't blame Coughlin for injuries.

This question is asked every single year at the same exact time & the answer is the same every time: let the season play out & then we can take a wild guess at what the answer is with just an iota greater degree of certainty than we have now. I'm sure the powers that be have absolutely no idea what the "plan" is now.

TC, McAdoo, Langsdorf, Ryan

Fire:

Fewell, Quinn, Nunn, Herrmann, Giunta, Merritt, The strength and conditioning coaches, the medical staff, the water boy, the cheerleaders, the gardener, hot dog stand vendor...

Fire Quinn, Fire Fewell.

McaDoo gets a longer leash. TC gets to coach until he retires.

about KG Jr....he's doing a better job with the TEs than I thought, but they still can't block for shit...plus, I hate nepotism...fuck it...fire his ass, too!

In comment 11918631 arcarsenal said:

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From your mouth to God's ears. As for TC, no playoffs no TC. Simple as that.

No way TC gets canned, even if they go 3-13. And he'd seriously have to go 0-16 to get canned next year. Between the 2 SBs, 10+ years of dedication, and high character, he's just built up too much capital.

And if TC did get canned at the end of the year, zero chance McAdoo becomes HC. One shaky, unproven year at OC gets you the top gig? Not in this regime or any other.

Fewell could get shit-canned pretty easily, and I think should. Tom Quinn should have gone a long time ago.

JR is like TC -- his capital buys him a mulligan or three. Marc Ross? Really don't know. They might think he hasn't been in the job long enough.

Depending on the occasion, you get different impressions of the talent and the coaching.

At times, they seem well prepared, execute well and look sharp. Other times, they're the complete opposite - they look slow, weak, confused and unprepared to take the field. Same guys, vastly different results, against teams that are all NFL pro teams that don't have a huge disparity in talent between them.

Is it the talent? The coaching? I have to admit, at this point, I've got no idea. Last night, they just all looked completely unprepared to take the field. TC says they had a great week of practice. They were relatively healthy. Teams that had played against Philly didn't look as bad, and we weren't a whole lot better or worse than any of them. Why did it seem as if the Giants were driven to the field, unsuspecting of the fact that a game was going to be played last night?

I have no answers, only questions after what I've seen this year and the past couple of years.

coach for life. LOL.

really haven't paid attention to how the Giants do business. This team is in a bit of a rebuilding cycle. The owners are not Jerry Jones. They are patient and loyal. They value stability.

The best teams do.

If they go 6-10 and miss the playoffs, there's absolutely a chance TC is gone. You're crazy if you don't think that's a possibility. This ownership isn't going to be ok missing the playoffs 5 times in 6 years even if the misses are sandwiching a trophy.

If they let coughlin go my choice for head coach candidate would be 49ers D coordinator Vic Fangio or seatless D coordinator.this is only because of teams recent success on D and finding the right players for their system and utilizing and changing the D to suit their talent and strengths if needed.i totally agree on getting defensive minded coach.i love Tom coughlin.i think he's exactly the kind of man you can feel comfortable discussing anything with him and getting knowledgable and useful advice.you can never go wrong following a righteous man.but I do think the players will benefit from a younger coach more in tune with the youth of today.sometimes youngsters tend to tune old people out because they feel a disconnect with the elderly and the message goes in one ear and out the other.unfortunately I believe that's what's happening.coach says talk is cheap,play the game.players talked all week and came out thinking it was paddycake lol.

In comment 11918668 mofti said:

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and i like what Mcadoo has done up until last night. IMO, Fewell might be on the hot seat after the season ends. The Giants spent a bolt load of $$ on the defense and they have been a huge disappointment thus far. Getting back to the front office and the draft. Has Reese and co been perfect? NO. However, please tell me one team that has. The biggest issue with our players via the draft has been injuries. Steve Smith, Hakeen NIcks, Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, Mario Manningham, cooper taylor, TT, Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Andre Brown, heck even Aaron Ross were all great draft prospects who had their careers cut short or are no longer on the giants due to injuries. Solid Draft picks: Beckham, Richburg, Kennard, Andre Williams, Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Prince, JW, JPP, Jospeh, Beatty, Randle (hoping he improves), Nassib Busts: Hosley, Robinson, Mosley, Jernigan, Brewer, Dillard, Beckum, Barden, Kehl Undrafted signings: Cruz, Donnell, Hyno, and blackburn were all been great finds. (Did not spend much time researching this section). Now lets go into big free agency.... Rolle was a great signing. Canty was very solid for us. I really like what DRC has done up to this point, Michael Boley and Rocky Bernard both had their moments. Deon Grant was not a big signing, but was a great addition David Baas was key in our superbowl run... too bad he couldn't stay healthy. Cullen Jenkins has been a solid addition Raashad Jennings has been great until injury Schwartz still remains to be been seen Injuries continue to make this front office look bad... Can't blame Coughlin for injuries.

Clint Sintim Clint Sintim Clint Sintim Clint Sintim.

Also don't think you should be giving him any kind of a pass for Marvin Austin.

that the Giants should offer Coughlin a contract extension not based on his team's record but because he believes that they can't find a better coach?

change I can see is Fewell if the defense is near dead last. Ben gets another season and so does TC. It's not the coaches fault that poor drafting results in few very good players.

I'm just happy we seemed to have done OK in the draft in 2013 & 2014.

is not the coaches its the GM Reese

three of the following four:

Coughlin, Fewell, Quinn, McAdoo.

I would keep one of them - maybe name McAdoo head coach and also bring in Pep Hamilton from Indianapolis. Also I would hire Keith Armstrong as ST coach - he's a Jersey guy and was great in 'Hard Knocks' - watch him on YouTube.

A guy I like coaching the line is George Yarno. Look at his background. Finally we need a quarterback guru to help Eli out - The guy I like is Doug Nussmeier, played in the NFL as a clipboard carrier and part of the Saban coaching tree.

Is one more run under Eli.

We all knew is wasn't coming this year.

As much as I bitch about about Coughlin at times, shaking things up with a whole new coaching staff is risky given we have 2/ 3 years with Eli in his prime.

When you have a franchise QB, you do whatever given FA and the draft.
Coughlin knows Eli, and MC has shown he can help this O. Last night sucked.

For you young people, watch out. This run we have had is golden. YouTube...oh never mind.

The last Superbowl year we were sitting at 6-6 and eked out a playoff berth. If we missed the playoffs that year we would be on a 5 year dry spell. He has given us some great moments and equally given us some abysmal moments. In 2012 when we had a good shot at the playoffs the team didnt show up and got blown out 2 out of 3 games. Last year was a joke and the team was so unwatchable even in wins and now this year we have had 2 completely horrible games, 1 great game.

The Giants are in a tough spot with loyalty and a coach who wants to keep going. If we dont compete for a playoff spot a change needs to be made. In 11 years he will have made the playoffs 5 years and missed in 6. Yes he has 2 Superbowl wins but the team has had so many poor performances the last few years and that just cant continue.

every team outside of the very top are streaky and inconsistent.

That isn't coaching as much as it is the nature of the NFL with the salary cap.

what determines the streakiness as much as anything? Injuries. They can dramatically tilt a season. Last year, teams like the Panthers and Chiefs were relatively healthy. Now they aren't and they will struggle and be inconsistent. Even the supposed powers like SF, Seattle, Indy and NE have had really uneven seasons thus far.

That there's no chance Cowher isn't the next possible HC. Good relationship w the maras and is still fairly young. Has shown interest here/there in coaching again after his "break". Even made a few gmen comments. I would say he's just waiting for ole coughlin to retire.

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We need to fire at least bignygfan : 12:28 am : link : reply three of the following four: Coughlin, Fewell, Quinn, McAdoo. I would keep one of them - maybe name McAdoo head coach

So in other words, if we tank this year enough to warrant a coaching change, you'd actually want one of the coordinators who would have contributed to the shitty campaign to become head coach? On what merits? A one-year run with a mediocre showing?

Hell, Spags got a job but at least he won a Super Bowl.

is that the Giants have a lackluster season. IF they do well, it's certain the coaching staff stays. But, what if they finish 8-8? Is it a victory that we finish better than last year, but not really all that good?

Why should TC be given the benefit of the doubt when it would be 5 out of the last 6 years missing the playoffs? The ring you say. Good point, but do you really want to put your eggs in the basket that depends on a hot streak?

McAdoo's future depends on his organizational skills. With good skills, he's HC material. Without them, he's looking for a job elsewhere (presuming regime change).

Coaching the Giants may be the best job in all of football for someone who wants to succeed. It's New York. You have stable, patient ownership. You have a proven QB. Giants can hire the best candidate out there, and that would include successful college coaches.

It's past time for a change. This team too often seems unprepared and overwhelmed. Thanks to Coughlin for what he's accomplished. But all things come to an end.

Coach will stay until he wants to leave, no question about that. Our next coach will be coming out of the broadcast booth; Cowher or Gruden.

If this season is poor enough that Mara decides it's time to make changes, it's very likely the bulk of the staff will also be replaced. Obviously, too soon to say one way or another.

In comment 11919278 BlueinRoch said:

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Coach will stay until he wants to leave, no question about that. Our next coach will be coming out of the broadcast booth; Cowher or Gruden.

It's too soon for this, let the season play out. If they wind up 5-11 or 6-10 with no signs of getting better by year end, then they probably let TC "retire". I n fairness, Reese should get the axe if this scenario plays out. He is responsible for the personnel mess.

I would bet $$ that neither of those 2 will be the next Giants coach. For one, it would be incredibly stupid to hire guys who haven't coached in years. 2, Gruden is not a very good coach, and 3 Cowher had a penchant for losing as a home favorite in playoff games with a stacked roster. Not to mention that he is too old and hasn't coached for 8 years and that NEVER works. Dick Vermeil is the only one who came back from an extended layoff to win.

In comment 11918912 bignygfan said:

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three of the following four: Coughlin, Fewell, Quinn, McAdoo. I would keep one of them - maybe name McAdoo head coach and also bring in Pep Hamilton from Indianapolis. Also I would hire Keith Armstrong as ST coach - he's a Jersey guy and was great in 'Hard Knocks' - watch him on YouTube. A guy I like coaching the line is George Yarno. Look at his background. Finally we need a quarterback guru to help Eli out - The guy I like is Doug Nussmeier, played in the NFL as a clipboard carrier and part of the Saban coaching tree.

Play a bad game...fire the coaches, fire the qb, get rid of the players.

Everybody's job is safe on the weeks you win. Lose and you should update your resume...

Probably we should fire all four of them.