The Giants are 3-3 in what has been a much better division than expected. Jerry Reese was aggressive in FA and Tom Coughlin received a one year contract extension, and although Kevin Gilbride 'retired', it's very likely he was forced out. The Giants bring in Ben McAdoo who implements an entire new offense, so my question is...what is the plan if this team misses the playoffs? Does ownership cleanhouse and the offense will have three different systems in three seasons? Coughlin isn't retiring any time soon, he lives to coach, I just see no way he hangs it up and walks into the sunset. We aren't getting a better coach than Tom Coughlin IMO, and I'm fine with having him be the coach over the next 3-4 seasons until he finally does retire.
What I've realuzed watching this team over the last 2 years, it is not coaching but personnell issues with this team. Why not offer Coughlin an extension?
Unless McAdoo is the coach in waiting, I just don't get what the plan is if this isn't a playoff team. I would hate an entire new offense and another offensive system next year.
If the Giants miss the playoffs, but they're competitive down the stretch and in the hunt the last couple of weeks I don't think the Giants make a change at head coach.
But if they miss the playoffs and have more games like this past Sunday's Eagles game and finish 6-10 or so, than I think they could go tell Coughlin they're going in a different direction.
If the Giants miss the playoffs, but they're competitive down the stretch and in the hunt the last couple of weeks I don't think the Giants make a change at head coach.
But if they miss the playoffs and have more games like this past Sunday's Eagles game and finish 6-10 or so, than I think they could go tell Coughlin they're going in a different direction.
What about McAdoo in that case?
However, to make a judgement now about this season would make no sense. Still playing with a sub par offensive and defensive line. I am pretty sure coaching changes are the last thing this team is thinking about right now and a win next week will have everybody feeling good again
It would be nice if he would exit gracefully as he deserves but I'm afraid he will never go willingly
We are a sad sack team of late.....its got to stop.
Switching out McCLain last night was reason enough to realize Tom is out of touch with football reality
After the Eagles went up 20 points against a soft Beason led D they were playing with house money and just stacked the box and blitzed all night long......and it was a long long night
We are now 0-3 with Beason, and 3-0 with McClain.......Tom
COME ON MAN!!!!!
It would be nice if he would exit gracefully as he deserves but I'm afraid he will never go willingly
We are a sad sack team of late.....its got to stop.
Switching out McCLain last night was reason enough to realize Tom is out of touch with football reality
After the Eagles went up 20 points against a soft Beason led D they were playing with house money and just stacked the box and blitzed all night long......and it was a long long night
We are now 0-3 with Beason, and 3-0 with McClain.......Tom
COME ON MAN!!!!!
Giants would never hire Harbaugh. Why Saban, he is toward end of career with one year of NFL experience?
I don't see how ownership will not make a change if there's another miss and sub-500 team especially.
Also, McAdoo for all his praise that he's gotten apparently telegraphed the gameplan and checkdowns to the Eagles defense along with Eli, absent the OL issues. I don't get how OCs and QBs get so predictable and stale with their playbooks and option plays in an era of modern communication and high-intelligence on both sides of the ball.
I could easily see a defense-minded HC next year (not Fewell), and desire to maintain McAdoo.
All this said, though.. there's still a lot of football to be played. And I think people are a little too eager to push TC out the door sometimes. The grass isn't always greener.
I think everybody , unless TQ is asked to 'retire, gets 1 more shot.
Personally I believe we will do well after the bye and get to at least 7-9 and look like we are making progress.
Based on his recent drafts (which admittedly is likely an apples to oranges comparisons), do we trust Reese to pick a good head coach?
We don't need the "JPP of coaches".
Depending how badly the Giants finish and how pissed off Mara is at the end of the season, a complete front office and coaching staff clean out is entirely possible.
All this said, though.. there's still a lot of football to be played. And I think people are a little too eager to push TC out the door sometimes. The grass isn't always greener.
My point of the thread wasn't to push him out but more to commit to him beyond the one year 'prove it' extension. I don't understand giving TC a one year extension and then giving McAdoo a two year contract. Chances are, this team may NOT make the playoffs, BUT show improvement offensively. Where does that leave Coughlin if it is no playoffs? Is this a make or break year?
9-7 with no playoffs he might get another year. Playoffs and he will stay.. even if we lose the first game.
At least that's what I think we're looking at.
I really don't think Reese is an issue. I do think Ross should be replaced.
IMO, Fewell might be on the hot seat after the season ends. The Giants spent a bolt load of $$ on the defense and they have been a huge disappointment thus far.
Getting back to the front office and the draft. Has Reese and co been perfect? NO. However, please tell me one team that has. The biggest issue with our players via the draft has been injuries.
Steve Smith, Hakeen NIcks, Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, Mario Manningham, cooper taylor, TT, Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Andre Brown, heck even Aaron Ross were all great draft prospects who had their careers cut short or are no longer on the giants due to injuries.
Solid Draft picks:
Beckham, Richburg, Kennard, Andre Williams, Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Prince, JW, JPP, Jospeh, Beatty, Randle (hoping he improves), Nassib
Busts:
Hosley, Robinson, Mosley, Jernigan, Brewer, Dillard, Beckum, Barden, Kehl
Undrafted signings:
Cruz, Donnell, Hyno, and blackburn were all been great finds. (Did not spend much time researching this section).
Now lets go into big free agency....
Rolle was a great signing.
Canty was very solid for us.
I really like what DRC has done up to this point,
Michael Boley and Rocky Bernard both had their moments.
Deon Grant was not a big signing, but was a great addition
David Baas was key in our superbowl run... too bad he couldn't stay healthy.
Cullen Jenkins has been a solid addition
Raashad Jennings has been great until injury
Schwartz still remains to be been seen
Injuries continue to make this front office look bad... Can't blame Coughlin for injuries.
Fire:
Fewell, Quinn, Nunn, Herrmann, Giunta, Merritt, The strength and conditioning coaches, the medical staff, the water boy, the cheerleaders, the gardener, hot dog stand vendor...
McaDoo gets a longer leash. TC gets to coach until he retires.
From your mouth to God's ears. As for TC, no playoffs no TC. Simple as that.
And if TC did get canned at the end of the year, zero chance McAdoo becomes HC. One shaky, unproven year at OC gets you the top gig? Not in this regime or any other.
Fewell could get shit-canned pretty easily, and I think should. Tom Quinn should have gone a long time ago.
JR is like TC -- his capital buys him a mulligan or three. Marc Ross? Really don't know. They might think he hasn't been in the job long enough.
At times, they seem well prepared, execute well and look sharp. Other times, they're the complete opposite - they look slow, weak, confused and unprepared to take the field. Same guys, vastly different results, against teams that are all NFL pro teams that don't have a huge disparity in talent between them.
Is it the talent? The coaching? I have to admit, at this point, I've got no idea. Last night, they just all looked completely unprepared to take the field. TC says they had a great week of practice. They were relatively healthy. Teams that had played against Philly didn't look as bad, and we weren't a whole lot better or worse than any of them. Why did it seem as if the Giants were driven to the field, unsuspecting of the fact that a game was going to be played last night?
I have no answers, only questions after what I've seen this year and the past couple of years.
The best teams do.
IMO, Fewell might be on the hot seat after the season ends. The Giants spent a bolt load of $$ on the defense and they have been a huge disappointment thus far.
Getting back to the front office and the draft. Has Reese and co been perfect? NO. However, please tell me one team that has. The biggest issue with our players via the draft has been injuries.
Steve Smith, Hakeen NIcks, Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, Mario Manningham, cooper taylor, TT, Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Andre Brown, heck even Aaron Ross were all great draft prospects who had their careers cut short or are no longer on the giants due to injuries.
Solid Draft picks:
Beckham, Richburg, Kennard, Andre Williams, Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Prince, JW, JPP, Jospeh, Beatty, Randle (hoping he improves), Nassib
Busts:
Hosley, Robinson, Mosley, Jernigan, Brewer, Dillard, Beckum, Barden, Kehl
Undrafted signings:
Cruz, Donnell, Hyno, and blackburn were all been great finds. (Did not spend much time researching this section).
Now lets go into big free agency....
Rolle was a great signing.
Canty was very solid for us.
I really like what DRC has done up to this point,
Michael Boley and Rocky Bernard both had their moments.
Deon Grant was not a big signing, but was a great addition
David Baas was key in our superbowl run... too bad he couldn't stay healthy.
Cullen Jenkins has been a solid addition
Raashad Jennings has been great until injury
Schwartz still remains to be been seen
Injuries continue to make this front office look bad... Can't blame Coughlin for injuries.
Clint Sintim Clint Sintim Clint Sintim Clint Sintim.
Also don't think you should be giving him any kind of a pass for Marvin Austin.
I'm just happy we seemed to have done OK in the draft in 2013 & 2014.
Coughlin, Fewell, Quinn, McAdoo.
I would keep one of them - maybe name McAdoo head coach and also bring in Pep Hamilton from Indianapolis. Also I would hire Keith Armstrong as ST coach - he's a Jersey guy and was great in 'Hard Knocks' - watch him on YouTube.
A guy I like coaching the line is George Yarno. Look at his background. Finally we need a quarterback guru to help Eli out - The guy I like is Doug Nussmeier, played in the NFL as a clipboard carrier and part of the Saban coaching tree.
We all knew is wasn't coming this year.
As much as I bitch about about Coughlin at times, shaking things up with a whole new coaching staff is risky given we have 2/ 3 years with Eli in his prime.
When you have a franchise QB, you do whatever given FA and the draft.
Coughlin knows Eli, and MC has shown he can help this O. Last night sucked.
For you young people, watch out. This run we have had is golden. YouTube...oh never mind.
The Giants are in a tough spot with loyalty and a coach who wants to keep going. If we dont compete for a playoff spot a change needs to be made. In 11 years he will have made the playoffs 5 years and missed in 6. Yes he has 2 Superbowl wins but the team has had so many poor performances the last few years and that just cant continue.
That isn't coaching as much as it is the nature of the NFL with the salary cap.
what determines the streakiness as much as anything? Injuries. They can dramatically tilt a season. Last year, teams like the Panthers and Chiefs were relatively healthy. Now they aren't and they will struggle and be inconsistent. Even the supposed powers like SF, Seattle, Indy and NE have had really uneven seasons thus far.
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three of the following four:
Coughlin, Fewell, Quinn, McAdoo.
I would keep one of them - maybe name McAdoo head coach
So in other words, if we tank this year enough to warrant a coaching change, you'd actually want one of the coordinators who would have contributed to the shitty campaign to become head coach? On what merits? A one-year run with a mediocre showing?
Hell, Spags got a job but at least he won a Super Bowl.
Why should TC be given the benefit of the doubt when it would be 5 out of the last 6 years missing the playoffs? The ring you say. Good point, but do you really want to put your eggs in the basket that depends on a hot streak?
McAdoo's future depends on his organizational skills. With good skills, he's HC material. Without them, he's looking for a job elsewhere (presuming regime change).
It's past time for a change. This team too often seems unprepared and overwhelmed. Thanks to Coughlin for what he's accomplished. But all things come to an end.
It's too soon for this, let the season play out. If they wind up 5-11 or 6-10 with no signs of getting better by year end, then they probably let TC "retire". I n fairness, Reese should get the axe if this scenario plays out. He is responsible for the personnel mess.
I would bet $$ that neither of those 2 will be the next Giants coach. For one, it would be incredibly stupid to hire guys who haven't coached in years. 2, Gruden is not a very good coach, and 3 Cowher had a penchant for losing as a home favorite in playoff games with a stacked roster. Not to mention that he is too old and hasn't coached for 8 years and that NEVER works. Dick Vermeil is the only one who came back from an extended layoff to win.
Coughlin, Fewell, Quinn, McAdoo.
I would keep one of them - maybe name McAdoo head coach and also bring in Pep Hamilton from Indianapolis. Also I would hire Keith Armstrong as ST coach - he's a Jersey guy and was great in 'Hard Knocks' - watch him on YouTube.
A guy I like coaching the line is George Yarno. Look at his background. Finally we need a quarterback guru to help Eli out - The guy I like is Doug Nussmeier, played in the NFL as a clipboard carrier and part of the Saban coaching tree.
Play a bad game...fire the coaches, fire the qb, get rid of the players.
Everybody's job is safe on the weeks you win. Lose and you should update your resume...