Anyone have any theories why offensive line played so bad

For whatever reason. The O-line is not as bad as they played, and Their D-line isn't that good. But once it started unraveling, nothing could reverse it.

You could see this coming. Philly really hadn't played as well as they think they are. They had the emotion. And we were premature with our newly-found confidence.

In the end it doesn't matter wether the score was 28-27 or 35-0. The next game will be completely different.

Walton and Jerry stink. Richburg has the talent but is still a rookie and probably not at his best position. I thought Beatty played well and was screwed on that holding call. Pugh just had a bad game. And let's not forget he is still just a 2nd year player. And how much are Richburg and Pugh affected when the guy next to them is getting destroyed? Are the cheating to one side in an attempt to help out?

In comment 11918991 go-big-blue said:

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FWIW, heard Carl Banks yesterday on WFAN mention the Oline was facing lots of 5-man fronts and just lost their one-on-one matchups. In prior games, the scheme worked well against 3 or 4 linemen. Remains to be seen if this is correctable, or if the players individually are not good enough. As for defense, he saw Giants playing lots of man coverage, and Eagles ate 'em up with crossing patterns and misdirections - said Foles was given a gift. He felt that zone coverage should have been utilized more often rather than expose LB's in the middle of the field.

It didn't matter what defense we were in, Foles had all day. Even with that time, he was off on a few really easy throws and his picks were awful. I have him seen him a bunch; last year, I thought they protected him well but he made all the throws. This year, though, he has been very mediocre.

to be benched for the way he played. worst game from a starting OT i can remember around here in a long time and that includes david diehl

he looked pathetic out there and almost single-handedly blew the game

bench him for a bad game? And start who?

And what about the previous week's where he looked good - just toss it in the shitter?

If so, it would probably just pile on posts from you already lying there.

in a certain way, Eli would make certain adjustments. It was completely predictable. They knew what to expect.

calm down fatboy, theres noone else so he will play. just saying u play like that, u should sit down. worst performance i've seen from a Giants OT i can remember

but couldn't handle freakin Connor Barwin.

mostly keeps doing what has worked so far, until an opponent figures out how to stop them, as happened Sunday night. Now the Giants have to learn, adapt and grow themselves. Kudos to the Eagles coaching staff for understanding and preparing for the Giants new offense so well. Let's see how the team bounces back this week.

much. You have to have the players.

Well, the Eagles had the right scheme. Their blitzes always put pressure on Eli and he didn't have enough time to pick apart a weak secondary.

I'm starting to wonder what the Giants defense would look like under a different DC. I've never been enthralled with Fewell's defenses and wonder why the Giants blitzes seem to be picked up so easily.

turn on this team and now the OL is complete crap? I think they just had a bad game and im wondering whats the deal with Pugh's elbow brace. Something is obviously going on there which could possibly be affecting his effort. Maybe when Schwartz comes back we become more affective but he hasnt played on some time so he will have to adjust. If this is such a shit team I suggest folks should just stop watching the Giants. Just jump on the wagon when you feel the time is right.

It's average or below, imo. Philly's defense basically stinks, and they were still able to exploit the OL with some relentless aggression and upfield speed to force the tackles to move laterally.

NYG as a whole regressed to the mean, the OL being the strongest example of it.

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It's average or below, imo. Philly's defense basically stinks, and they were still able to exploit the OL with some relentless aggression and upfield speed to force the tackles to move laterally. NYG as a whole regressed to the mean, the OL being the strongest example of it.

I think 2 members of the OLine are not long term solutions, Jerry and Walton. I think Beatty, Richburgh and Pugh are the start of building something decent, even if not spectacular, here. When Schwarts comes back, move Richburg back to center and you have four pieces. This has always been a rebuilding year, a couple of people, including myself, got excited that we could skip that process a bit. But, Sunday smacked that reality back into focus.

in previous games.

The Cards and Texans both have good DL's, and overall defenses. Even Washington has players who can get to the QB.

I think it was a combination of being on the road with the noise, and simply have a bad night all around. This is still a line that hasn't played together that long, and things really snowballed.

And yes, the Eagles had much more hop in their step on both sides of the ball..........we looked extremely slow.

The OL is a work in progress, and while the OTs might be part of a decent unit in the future, their weaknesses were highlighted the other night and teams will go after them in similar fashion. Richburg will be fine with experience and time in the weightroom.

McAdoo is learning his trade on the fly and struggling in spots where teams have him gameplanned well, and the defense is struggling massively. The defense lacks talent at LB, isn't winning enough battles on the line or generating a pass rush, and Fewell's tendencies are predictable to a fault.

had zero fear of our running game so they basically made it a track meet and our O line couldn't handle it. Would have been a perfect scenario for a few well placed screens and little flares to a tight end or back.

"broke our code" and knew everything we were going to do before we did it. Williams looked like he was running blind into closed holes into anything in front of him. ELI was overwhelmed in the back field on most plays. No time to make throws or adjustments. We lost most of the one on one battles. Bad personnel, bad scheme who knows. Looked like a different team than the three in a row team of the weeks before.

is calling somebody else an internet tough guy?

Listen fuckhead - you want to bench one of the more solid OL guys for a bad game? Yeah - that's logical. Let's do that for everyone. eli has a 4 INT game - bench him. Randle runs a few wrong routes - bench his ass. JPP - misses a few tackles, fucking cut him.

Hey, Ace - who is the next man up that will be guaranteed not to fuck up?

Got any inside info on the Bears, Chief?

that creates a significant advantage for a defense.

handle faster defenses..or ..is it just one game where every facet of their game fell apart? Agree there is still needed pieces for this line (added with Pugh and Richburgh) down the line and is a work in progress.

Now the upcoming opponents are of faster dfenses than what they had face during their first 4 games (ie Seattle, SF)

and I think they need the right conditions to be successful. 2 of our 3 wins came at home. The other was against a bad Washington team that was out of it from the get-go (and so was the crowd).

This game? The Linc was rocking from the opening kickoff and the Giants were forced into a silent count. Throw a few blitzs at these guys in that situation and I just don't think they have the experience yet to adjust. I worry about them again in Dallas. Hopefully they learned a lot from Philly.

is Eli

The line is vulnerable. Williams will not be able to handle the complexity of some blitz packages. Eli isn't mobile enough.

He's got to read and react in less than 2.5 seconds or face the consequences. He wasn't on his game on Sunday.

I'm not blaming Eli, but considering the other vulnerabilities above, there is no way he can go into another game expecting things to be different. He has to assume responsibility here.

is really going to hurt.

wasn't eli not reading and reacting, it was the WR's and TE's inability to beat the jam at the LOS, so they weren't open when eli had to make a decision to throw.

So many plays eli was already under pressure before a WR broke open.

confusion and quick adjustments....

the Eagles had 8/9 in the box......6/7 on the line....some took a step forward on the snap, and then fell back....that initial step caused our line to react to it, and then created confusion on who to block...all it took was one second of decision and this OL was in trouble all night....it couldn't adjust to the confusion the Eagles were creating, and with no time, there was no way Eli could go deep to make the Eagle defense pay for playing so close to the line....

Unfortunately, this is a blueprint for future games for the opposition.....and until this OL can handle this, it will happen again and again...it will be interesting to see if the Cowboys follow the same blueprint....

We saw this last year, when teams would stunt over the middle of this OL, and we had no answer....

is that Flaherty has not been able to prepare these guy for unexpected shifts in personnel on the defense. The Eagles changed it up and we were lost. Outcoached it is called. Same thing with Fewell. Well lets see if it can be fixed and fast.

But in Fewell's defense (and I'm not always defending him) he created turnovers, controlled the 3rd down completion percentage. He was not outcoached. His players were outplayed obviously, but not by as much as the score indicated.

it all started with replacing McCLain with a cripple who cannot play well on two good feet
The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg

there was a Domino effect

Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius

Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested.

Fells and Moore were not used
#52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST

For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12

I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced.

I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long

It lives and dies on the turnover.....

If the turnover is not there, it can't stop a team in critical situations, on a consistent basis.....

play soft zone anymore. You have to get in the receivers face at the LOS and disrupt them before the 5 yds or you are dead.

The Eagles sent 1 or 2 more players (so 6-7) than our offensive lineman on every play. So their was no way the OL was going to hold for long. The RB's needed to block and I don't think they did. The Eagles also jammed the WRs so the short patterns and timing things were delayed. Basically they bet that they could get to Eli before the WR's got back on their routes, or before the Giants WR's could have run deeper patterns. This is exactly the same defense the Eagles always run against us.

We could have stopped this by:
- The WR's getting more physical and off the jamming
- The RB's blocking better
- Finding someway to run (which backs off the rush)
- Finding some way to throw a screen (not sure why we couldn't)
- Eli being a scrambling QB (although this leads to other issues so its only a temp solution)

the one play that worked all night was Eli rolling out to his right and hitting Randle on the comeback. Maybe we should have run variatons of this play a lot more. Get Eli out of the pocket to slow down that inside rush.

In comment 11919417 Victor in CT said:

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play soft zone anymore. You have to get in the receivers face at the LOS and disrupt them before the 5 yds or you are dead.

The Giants weren't playing soft zone from all the comments I heard after the game. The guys running wide open on crossing routes has been multiple times blamed on playing man coverage.

The defense has been soft in zone, and gets 3 steps behind in man coverage, can't get a pass rush with 4 linemen, often misses the tackles at the line or for a loss, and is slow side line to side line.

The fast linebackers on this team play soft, miss tackles and don't know their assignments. The slow ones can't cover anyone or make it sideline to sideline to stop faster offenses. The vaunted defensive line routinely gets outplayed for entire quarters or halves of games. Multiple times McCoy was hit or had to avoid guys in the backfield only for the Giants to miss and let him get the edge and/or get upfield.

The more I think about it the more I think that Fewell is exactly what this team needs. Could you imagine blitzing and leaving the linebackers, safeties, and corners (Prince and DRC aside) manning up 1 on 1? How the hell do you scheme around that?

can handle vanilla,,,,when it gets more complicated they don't know their assignments. We have seen this before. Not with this group but we have seen this before.

Expect more of the same Sunday.

we will head into the next draft with the same areas of concern...OL,LB,WR and safety.

In comment 11919722 blue42 said:

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we will head into the next draft with the same areas of concern...OL,LB,WR and safety.

And Tight End, and CB depth - 2 injuries were already out of options, which is scary

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In comment 11919722 blue42 said: Quote: we will head into the next draft with the same areas of concern...OL,LB,WR and safety. And Tight End, and CB depth - 2 injuries were already out of options, which is scary

You guys forgot running back as well. Without Jennings there isn't a single running back on the roster capable of playing 3 downs in the NFL. Other teams can get to their 4th RB and still have a functioning offense. The Giants offense without Jennings can't run, pass block, run screens, or catch passes in the flat. Hillis isn't the answer.

In comment 11919344 JAKK777 said:

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it all started with replacing McCLain with a cripple who cannot play well on two good feet The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg there was a Domino effect Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested. Fells and Moore were not used #52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12 I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced. I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long

stop trolling and leave. Anyone who thinks that playing Beason was the reason our OFFENSE went from scoring 35 points to only 12 points is just a rambling idiot who likes to hear himself make ridiculous claims than actually think liek a rational adult.

Just change your handle to Incarcerated Bob so that everyone else knows you are ridiculous right off the bat.

1) I think Philly did a great job masking their blitzes and confused the OL.

2) I think our gameplan relied slightly more on intermediate routes than the underneath, which makes no sense to me.

hardly noticed any screens called in the first 3 quarters... I didn't watch much of the 4th quarter. Isn't screens one of the ways you can counter the blitz? However said the offense looked like a Gilbride offense Sunday is correct.

Still think Pugh is secretly injured, Then domino theory. I know, I've said this before. Maybe he's a little heavy too soon, as well. This doesn't mean he can't, and they can't, get it together for Dallas. After all, it's only the whole rest of the season.

In comment 11920115 Matt M. said:

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1) I think Philly did a great job masking their blitzes and confused the OL. 2) I think our gameplan relied slightly more on intermediate routes than the underneath, which makes no sense to me.

If what some of the guys on Philly said are true, that they knew what Eli was going to do based on the way they lined up initially they didn't have to disguise their blitzes. They knew he'd kill the initial play and go to plan B, and also knew what that was going to be based on what they'd seen on film.

Pugh and Beatty simply lost a lot of one on one match ups w Barwin and Cole. It's a casual observation, I'm not watching coaches tape or anything, but not seems like Pugh has major lapses in technique, leaning in particular. Barwin seemed to give them a lot of trouble. I thought he was an average signing at best but he's played well for them.

In comment 11920104 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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In comment 11919344 JAKK777 said: Quote: it all started with replacing McCLain with a cripple who cannot play well on two good feet The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg there was a Domino effect Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested. Fells and Moore were not used #52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12 I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced. I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long stop trolling and leave. Anyone who thinks that playing Beason was the reason our OFFENSE went from scoring 35 points to only 12 points is just a rambling idiot who likes to hear himself make ridiculous claims than actually think liek a rational adult. Just change your handle to Incarcerated Bob so that everyone else knows you are ridiculous right off the bat.

Ok wiseguy
I have nailed the exact giants scores for the last 3 games
check in the GMB under BParcells777 and you will see I did.
I reversed the philly outcome when I saw the cripple was playing......I had good reason and out lined them
we are 0-3 with Beason, and 3-0 with McCLain
the MLBer is the QB of the Defense........a VERRRRY important guy
when you are 20 points ahead you can pin back your ears and tear through any offensive line
it would have helped if Grandpa Tom put in a two TE formation with Fells and Hillis to block but he is TOO STUPID AND STUBBORN to do that........the last tiem the guy made a halftime change was 1903
you wanna bet against me go ahead Cowboys 33, Giants 17

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is a lunatic.

It is a house filled with "company men" overseen by an overbearing little tyrant "Mod" .....he regularly shuts down posts and shuts down anything he personally disagrees with

to be honest the guy could not tell a football from a Mango

you can call me ignorant, a imbicile, a lunatic whatever

I get it right 90% of the time and the homers get it wrong 90% of the time

they live in a bubble of 2 SBs won 4-8 years ago... I deal with football passionately but with eyes wide open

In comment 11919133 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is calling somebody else an internet tough guy? Listen fuckhead - you want to bench one of the more solid OL guys for a bad game? Yeah - that's logical. Let's do that for everyone. eli has a 4 INT game - bench him. Randle runs a few wrong routes - bench his ass. JPP - misses a few tackles, fucking cut him. Hey, Ace - who is the next man up that will be guaranteed not to fuck up? Got any inside info on the Bears, Chief?

LOL this is refreshing....that post would never be allowed on the Giants board BRAVO