We had three and a half games of good to stellar play, poor opponents or not (and Houston, Zona and Was have better fronts than Philly). Only thing I can think of is that teams were not ready to take away our short, quick patterns and our OL's problems were masked. When a team finally did so, our OL was exposed. I think Jennings missing was very significant because it is clear AW is not ready for a full load, but I really doubt he would have made much of a difference. They had five sacks in first half. That is simply crazy.
Going forward, teams are going to stack the box like Philly did, and we will see, I guess, if last night was an anomaly or our OL has not improved much.
I think communication was definitely an issue, especially in a hostile environment. Walton was terrible all night, him and Pugh battled all night for worst of a bad bunch. I couldn't believe he handled JJ Watt so well but couldn't handle freakin Connor Barwin.
That shotgun handoff sweep to Hillis on a makeable 3rd down was so fucking weird and Gilbridish. Im wondering if the game was overcoached a bit.
The Falcons seemed to game plan to take away Cruz and Donnell and got burned by Beckham and, to a lesser degree, Randle. So if you're Philly, and you see that there are three or four targets Eli likes, you figure "We can't double 'em all, let's go for the QB." Once you decide to do that, you figure "Richburg's a rookie, Walton and Jerry are new to the Giants, hit 'em with a bunch of stunts, test their coordination and preparation." Pugh struggling and the receivers not getting open was sort of the icing on the cake.
I'm no football expert by any means but I was posting about some of this before the game. I didn't see Sunday night's disaster coming, but I'm not surprised they were able to spot weaknesses in the new offense or that they went all out for the QB.
Who coaches the o-line these days anyway? Get rid of that guy.
John Jerry is a disaster.
I noted that the noise was so loud that the Giants were on a silent count the whole night. In particular the noise was devastating early on.
So how does the silent count work? When in shotgun the center watches Eli lift his leg to the count when the snap occurs. All the other linemen cannot see this and have no advantage over the defense. The defense can both see Eli's leg AND see the ball, and can anticipate very well the snap. They are moving the instant the ball is snapped every time. Meanwhile the offensive line is keying on the defenders to know when the ball is snapped.
In other words the defense has the snap advantage.
I'm no expert, but this is my theory and I believe it to be true. The defense played so much faster than the offense off the ball that I totally buy my theory. Anyone else agree?
It shouldn't take long to find out.
As for defense, he saw Giants playing lots of man coverage, and Eagles ate 'em up with crossing patterns and misdirections - said Foles was given a gift. He felt that zone coverage should have been utilized more often rather than expose LB's in the middle of the field.
You could see this coming. Philly really hadn't played as well as they think they are. They had the emotion. And we were premature with our newly-found confidence.
In the end it doesn't matter wether the score was 28-27 or 35-0. The next game will be completely different.
As for defense, he saw Giants playing lots of man coverage, and Eagles ate 'em up with crossing patterns and misdirections - said Foles was given a gift. He felt that zone coverage should have been utilized more often rather than expose LB's in the middle of the field.
It didn't matter what defense we were in, Foles had all day. Even with that time, he was off on a few really easy throws and his picks were awful. I have him seen him a bunch; last year, I thought they protected him well but he made all the throws. This year, though, he has been very mediocre.
he looked pathetic out there and almost single-handedly blew the game
And what about the previous week's where he looked good - just toss it in the shitter?
If so, it would probably just pile on posts from you already lying there.
Well, the Eagles had the right scheme. Their blitzes always put pressure on Eli and he didn't have enough time to pick apart a weak secondary.
I'm starting to wonder what the Giants defense would look like under a different DC. I've never been enthralled with Fewell's defenses and wonder why the Giants blitzes seem to be picked up so easily.
NYG as a whole regressed to the mean, the OL being the strongest example of it.
NYG as a whole regressed to the mean, the OL being the strongest example of it.
I think 2 members of the OLine are not long term solutions, Jerry and Walton. I think Beatty, Richburgh and Pugh are the start of building something decent, even if not spectacular, here. When Schwarts comes back, move Richburg back to center and you have four pieces. This has always been a rebuilding year, a couple of people, including myself, got excited that we could skip that process a bit. But, Sunday smacked that reality back into focus.
The Cards and Texans both have good DL's, and overall defenses. Even Washington has players who can get to the QB.
I think it was a combination of being on the road with the noise, and simply have a bad night all around. This is still a line that hasn't played together that long, and things really snowballed.
And yes, the Eagles had much more hop in their step on both sides of the ball..........we looked extremely slow.
McAdoo is learning his trade on the fly and struggling in spots where teams have him gameplanned well, and the defense is struggling massively. The defense lacks talent at LB, isn't winning enough battles on the line or generating a pass rush, and Fewell's tendencies are predictable to a fault.
Listen fuckhead - you want to bench one of the more solid OL guys for a bad game? Yeah - that's logical. Let's do that for everyone. eli has a 4 INT game - bench him. Randle runs a few wrong routes - bench his ass. JPP - misses a few tackles, fucking cut him.
Hey, Ace - who is the next man up that will be guaranteed not to fuck up?
Got any inside info on the Bears, Chief?
Now the upcoming opponents are of faster dfenses than what they had face during their first 4 games (ie Seattle, SF)
This game? The Linc was rocking from the opening kickoff and the Giants were forced into a silent count. Throw a few blitzs at these guys in that situation and I just don't think they have the experience yet to adjust. I worry about them again in Dallas. Hopefully they learned a lot from Philly.
The line is vulnerable. Williams will not be able to handle the complexity of some blitz packages. Eli isn't mobile enough.
He's got to read and react in less than 2.5 seconds or face the consequences. He wasn't on his game on Sunday.
I'm not blaming Eli, but considering the other vulnerabilities above, there is no way he can go into another game expecting things to be different. He has to assume responsibility here.
So many plays eli was already under pressure before a WR broke open.
the Eagles had 8/9 in the box......6/7 on the line....some took a step forward on the snap, and then fell back....that initial step caused our line to react to it, and then created confusion on who to block...all it took was one second of decision and this OL was in trouble all night....it couldn't adjust to the confusion the Eagles were creating, and with no time, there was no way Eli could go deep to make the Eagle defense pay for playing so close to the line....
Unfortunately, this is a blueprint for future games for the opposition.....and until this OL can handle this, it will happen again and again...it will be interesting to see if the Cowboys follow the same blueprint....
We saw this last year, when teams would stunt over the middle of this OL, and we had no answer....
The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg
there was a Domino effect
Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius
Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested.
Fells and Moore were not used
#52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST
For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12
I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced.
I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long
If the turnover is not there, it can't stop a team in critical situations, on a consistent basis.....
We could have stopped this by:
- The WR's getting more physical and off the jamming
- The RB's blocking better
- Finding someway to run (which backs off the rush)
- Finding some way to throw a screen (not sure why we couldn't)
- Eli being a scrambling QB (although this leads to other issues so its only a temp solution)
The Giants weren't playing soft zone from all the comments I heard after the game. The guys running wide open on crossing routes has been multiple times blamed on playing man coverage.
The defense has been soft in zone, and gets 3 steps behind in man coverage, can't get a pass rush with 4 linemen, often misses the tackles at the line or for a loss, and is slow side line to side line.
The fast linebackers on this team play soft, miss tackles and don't know their assignments. The slow ones can't cover anyone or make it sideline to sideline to stop faster offenses. The vaunted defensive line routinely gets outplayed for entire quarters or halves of games. Multiple times McCoy was hit or had to avoid guys in the backfield only for the Giants to miss and let him get the edge and/or get upfield.
The more I think about it the more I think that Fewell is exactly what this team needs. Could you imagine blitzing and leaving the linebackers, safeties, and corners (Prince and DRC aside) manning up 1 on 1? How the hell do you scheme around that?
Expect more of the same Sunday.
And Tight End, and CB depth - 2 injuries were already out of options, which is scary
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we will head into the next draft with the same areas of concern...OL,LB,WR and safety.
And Tight End, and CB depth - 2 injuries were already out of options, which is scary
You guys forgot running back as well. Without Jennings there isn't a single running back on the roster capable of playing 3 downs in the NFL. Other teams can get to their 4th RB and still have a functioning offense. The Giants offense without Jennings can't run, pass block, run screens, or catch passes in the flat. Hillis isn't the answer.
The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg
there was a Domino effect
Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius
Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested.
Fells and Moore were not used
#52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST
For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12
I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced.
I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long
stop trolling and leave. Anyone who thinks that playing Beason was the reason our OFFENSE went from scoring 35 points to only 12 points is just a rambling idiot who likes to hear himself make ridiculous claims than actually think liek a rational adult.
Just change your handle to Incarcerated Bob so that everyone else knows you are ridiculous right off the bat.
2) I think our gameplan relied slightly more on intermediate routes than the underneath, which makes no sense to me.
2) I think our gameplan relied slightly more on intermediate routes than the underneath, which makes no sense to me.
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it all started with replacing McCLain with a cripple who cannot play well on two good feet
The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg
there was a Domino effect
Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius
Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested.
Fells and Moore were not used
#52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST
For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12
I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced.
I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long
stop trolling and leave. Anyone who thinks that playing Beason was the reason our OFFENSE went from scoring 35 points to only 12 points is just a rambling idiot who likes to hear himself make ridiculous claims than actually think liek a rational adult.
Just change your handle to Incarcerated Bob so that everyone else knows you are ridiculous right off the bat.
Ok wiseguy
I have nailed the exact giants scores for the last 3 games
check in the GMB under BParcells777 and you will see I did.
I reversed the philly outcome when I saw the cripple was playing......I had good reason and out lined them
we are 0-3 with Beason, and 3-0 with McCLain
the MLBer is the QB of the Defense........a VERRRRY important guy
when you are 20 points ahead you can pin back your ears and tear through any offensive line
it would have helped if Grandpa Tom put in a two TE formation with Fells and Hillis to block but he is TOO STUPID AND STUBBORN to do that........the last tiem the guy made a halftime change was 1903
you wanna bet against me go ahead Cowboys 33, Giants 17
you will be as rich as Warren Buffet by years end
to be honest the guy could not tell a football from a Mango
you can call me ignorant, a imbicile, a lunatic whatever
I get it right 90% of the time and the homers get it wrong 90% of the time
they live in a bubble of 2 SBs won 4-8 years ago... I deal with football passionately but with eyes wide open
Listen fuckhead - you want to bench one of the more solid OL guys for a bad game? Yeah - that's logical. Let's do that for everyone. eli has a 4 INT game - bench him. Randle runs a few wrong routes - bench his ass. JPP - misses a few tackles, fucking cut him.
Hey, Ace - who is the next man up that will be guaranteed not to fuck up?
Got any inside info on the Bears, Chief?
LOL this is refreshing....that post would never be allowed on the Giants board BRAVO