Anyone have any theories why offensive line played so bad

communicate well at all for whatever reason, they weren't reacting well at all to any type of stunts, twists, or blitzes. Walton in particular on one play the Eagles clearly showed blitz, Jenkins didn't disguise it well and he still double teamed the DT with the guard and allowed Jenkins a free run at Eli

Just the way they were mashed and losing Cruz, im not watching any football after tonight until Dallas. And all I can hope for was that this was just a combination of choking and eating a big bowl of stupid before the game.

In comment 11918839 MookGiants said:

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communicate well at all for whatever reason, they weren't reacting well at all to any type of stunts, twists, or blitzes. Walton in particular on one play the Eagles clearly showed blitz, Jenkins didn't disguise it well and he still double teamed the DT with the guard and allowed Jenkins a free run at Eli

I think communication was definitely an issue, especially in a hostile environment. Walton was terrible all night, him and Pugh battled all night for worst of a bad bunch. I couldn't believe he handled JJ Watt so well but couldn't handle freakin Connor Barwin.

and was giddy all night letting his mighty Eagles crush the Giants. Philly MVP.

They were physically and mentally beaten. But, I also think we got away from running our usual offense. perhaps, with Philly running such an uptempo offense, we wanted to slow things down a little. But, we were successful getting in and out of the huddle quickly or going no-huddle. Last night, they were much slower and more deliberate getting to the line and then slower getting the audibles in. On top of that, we seemed to be looking more at intermediate to deep routes. Last night was the first time this offense looked like Gilbride's offense, and not McAdoo's.

In comment 11918857 Matt M. said:

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They were physically and mentally beaten. But, I also think we got away from running our usual offense. perhaps, with Philly running such an uptempo offense, we wanted to slow things down a little. But, we were successful getting in and out of the huddle quickly or going no-huddle. Last night, they were much slower and more deliberate getting to the line and then slower getting the audibles in. On top of that, we seemed to be looking more at intermediate to deep routes. Last night was the first time this offense looked like Gilbride's offense, and not McAdoo's.

That shotgun handoff sweep to Hillis on a makeable 3rd down was so fucking weird and Gilbridish. Im wondering if the game was overcoached a bit.

That one play really stuck out in my mind also. I was so pissed at that call. If you are going to run on 3rd and long, it should at least be a draw and involve someone with some speed. Even if that call was "successful" it has no shot at picking up a first down. So, what is the fucking point?

The league has some tape now of the Giants' new offense, and can diagnose its weaknesses.

The Falcons seemed to game plan to take away Cruz and Donnell and got burned by Beckham and, to a lesser degree, Randle. So if you're Philly, and you see that there are three or four targets Eli likes, you figure "We can't double 'em all, let's go for the QB." Once you decide to do that, you figure "Richburg's a rookie, Walton and Jerry are new to the Giants, hit 'em with a bunch of stunts, test their coordination and preparation." Pugh struggling and the receivers not getting open was sort of the icing on the cake.

I'm no football expert by any means but I was posting about some of this before the game. I didn't see Sunday night's disaster coming, but I'm not surprised they were able to spot weaknesses in the new offense or that they went all out for the QB.

A few sacks that Eli could have avoided, and after the first sack/fumble, he was hearing footsteps all night.

had played well against some poor defensive fronts. This OL is not that talented.

fire Fewell and Tom Quinn

Who coaches the o-line these days anyway? Get rid of that guy.

Pugh and Richburg can't be expected to step in and dominate.

John Jerry is a disaster.

was that the noise in the stadium gave the defense a significant advantage.

I noted that the noise was so loud that the Giants were on a silent count the whole night. In particular the noise was devastating early on.

So how does the silent count work? When in shotgun the center watches Eli lift his leg to the count when the snap occurs. All the other linemen cannot see this and have no advantage over the defense. The defense can both see Eli's leg AND see the ball, and can anticipate very well the snap. They are moving the instant the ball is snapped every time. Meanwhile the offensive line is keying on the defenders to know when the ball is snapped.

In other words the defense has the snap advantage.

I'm no expert, but this is my theory and I believe it to be true. The defense played so much faster than the offense off the ball that I totally buy my theory. Anyone else agree?

have a rookie 2nd rd draft choice?? Basically the entire line is shit. Reese and his experiments again. That's what happens when you have the worst offensive line in the NFC East period.

from playing like a high school all-star bunch. It's a good theory for explaining the unexplainable.

It shouldn't take long to find out.

What you call, growing pains. They're young, and still learning. Games like this, are going to happen. Just have to hope, it doesn't happen often.

Plays...

FWIW, heard Carl Banks yesterday on WFAN mention the Oline was facing lots of 5-man fronts and just lost their one-on-one matchups. In prior games, the scheme worked well against 3 or 4 linemen. Remains to be seen if this is correctable, or if the players individually are not good enough.

As for defense, he saw Giants playing lots of man coverage, and Eagles ate 'em up with crossing patterns and misdirections - said Foles was given a gift. He felt that zone coverage should have been utilized more often rather than expose LB's in the middle of the field.

And filmed our practices. It is the only logical explanation for the domination.

gummied

For whatever reason. The O-line is not as bad as they played, and Their D-line isn't that good. But once it started unraveling, nothing could reverse it.

You could see this coming. Philly really hadn't played as well as they think they are. They had the emotion. And we were premature with our newly-found confidence.

In the end it doesn't matter wether the score was 28-27 or 35-0. The next game will be completely different.

Walton and Jerry stink. Richburg has the talent but is still a rookie and probably not at his best position. I thought Beatty played well and was screwed on that holding call. Pugh just had a bad game. And let's not forget he is still just a 2nd year player. And how much are Richburg and Pugh affected when the guy next to them is getting destroyed? Are the cheating to one side in an attempt to help out?

In comment 11918991 go-big-blue said:

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FWIW, heard Carl Banks yesterday on WFAN mention the Oline was facing lots of 5-man fronts and just lost their one-on-one matchups. In prior games, the scheme worked well against 3 or 4 linemen. Remains to be seen if this is correctable, or if the players individually are not good enough. As for defense, he saw Giants playing lots of man coverage, and Eagles ate 'em up with crossing patterns and misdirections - said Foles was given a gift. He felt that zone coverage should have been utilized more often rather than expose LB's in the middle of the field.

It didn't matter what defense we were in, Foles had all day. Even with that time, he was off on a few really easy throws and his picks were awful. I have him seen him a bunch; last year, I thought they protected him well but he made all the throws. This year, though, he has been very mediocre.

to be benched for the way he played. worst game from a starting OT i can remember around here in a long time and that includes david diehl

he looked pathetic out there and almost single-handedly blew the game

bench him for a bad game? And start who?

And what about the previous week's where he looked good - just toss it in the shitter?

If so, it would probably just pile on posts from you already lying there.

in a certain way, Eli would make certain adjustments. It was completely predictable. They knew what to expect.

calm down fatboy, theres noone else so he will play. just saying u play like that, u should sit down. worst performance i've seen from a Giants OT i can remember

but couldn't handle freakin Connor Barwin.

mostly keeps doing what has worked so far, until an opponent figures out how to stop them, as happened Sunday night. Now the Giants have to learn, adapt and grow themselves. Kudos to the Eagles coaching staff for understanding and preparing for the Giants new offense so well. Let's see how the team bounces back this week.

much. You have to have the players.

Well, the Eagles had the right scheme. Their blitzes always put pressure on Eli and he didn't have enough time to pick apart a weak secondary.

I'm starting to wonder what the Giants defense would look like under a different DC. I've never been enthralled with Fewell's defenses and wonder why the Giants blitzes seem to be picked up so easily.

turn on this team and now the OL is complete crap? I think they just had a bad game and im wondering whats the deal with Pugh's elbow brace. Something is obviously going on there which could possibly be affecting his effort. Maybe when Schwartz comes back we become more affective but he hasnt played on some time so he will have to adjust. If this is such a shit team I suggest folks should just stop watching the Giants. Just jump on the wagon when you feel the time is right.

It's average or below, imo. Philly's defense basically stinks, and they were still able to exploit the OL with some relentless aggression and upfield speed to force the tackles to move laterally.

NYG as a whole regressed to the mean, the OL being the strongest example of it.

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It's average or below, imo. Philly's defense basically stinks, and they were still able to exploit the OL with some relentless aggression and upfield speed to force the tackles to move laterally. NYG as a whole regressed to the mean, the OL being the strongest example of it.

I think 2 members of the OLine are not long term solutions, Jerry and Walton. I think Beatty, Richburgh and Pugh are the start of building something decent, even if not spectacular, here. When Schwarts comes back, move Richburg back to center and you have four pieces. This has always been a rebuilding year, a couple of people, including myself, got excited that we could skip that process a bit. But, Sunday smacked that reality back into focus.

in previous games.

The Cards and Texans both have good DL's, and overall defenses. Even Washington has players who can get to the QB.

I think it was a combination of being on the road with the noise, and simply have a bad night all around. This is still a line that hasn't played together that long, and things really snowballed.

And yes, the Eagles had much more hop in their step on both sides of the ball..........we looked extremely slow.

The OL is a work in progress, and while the OTs might be part of a decent unit in the future, their weaknesses were highlighted the other night and teams will go after them in similar fashion. Richburg will be fine with experience and time in the weightroom.

McAdoo is learning his trade on the fly and struggling in spots where teams have him gameplanned well, and the defense is struggling massively. The defense lacks talent at LB, isn't winning enough battles on the line or generating a pass rush, and Fewell's tendencies are predictable to a fault.

had zero fear of our running game so they basically made it a track meet and our O line couldn't handle it. Would have been a perfect scenario for a few well placed screens and little flares to a tight end or back.

"broke our code" and knew everything we were going to do before we did it. Williams looked like he was running blind into closed holes into anything in front of him. ELI was overwhelmed in the back field on most plays. No time to make throws or adjustments. We lost most of the one on one battles. Bad personnel, bad scheme who knows. Looked like a different team than the three in a row team of the weeks before.

is calling somebody else an internet tough guy?

Listen fuckhead - you want to bench one of the more solid OL guys for a bad game? Yeah - that's logical. Let's do that for everyone. eli has a 4 INT game - bench him. Randle runs a few wrong routes - bench his ass. JPP - misses a few tackles, fucking cut him.

Hey, Ace - who is the next man up that will be guaranteed not to fuck up?

Got any inside info on the Bears, Chief?

that creates a significant advantage for a defense.

handle faster defenses..or ..is it just one game where every facet of their game fell apart? Agree there is still needed pieces for this line (added with Pugh and Richburgh) down the line and is a work in progress.

Now the upcoming opponents are of faster dfenses than what they had face during their first 4 games (ie Seattle, SF)

and I think they need the right conditions to be successful. 2 of our 3 wins came at home. The other was against a bad Washington team that was out of it from the get-go (and so was the crowd).

This game? The Linc was rocking from the opening kickoff and the Giants were forced into a silent count. Throw a few blitzs at these guys in that situation and I just don't think they have the experience yet to adjust. I worry about them again in Dallas. Hopefully they learned a lot from Philly.

is Eli

The line is vulnerable. Williams will not be able to handle the complexity of some blitz packages. Eli isn't mobile enough.

He's got to read and react in less than 2.5 seconds or face the consequences. He wasn't on his game on Sunday.

I'm not blaming Eli, but considering the other vulnerabilities above, there is no way he can go into another game expecting things to be different. He has to assume responsibility here.

is really going to hurt.

wasn't eli not reading and reacting, it was the WR's and TE's inability to beat the jam at the LOS, so they weren't open when eli had to make a decision to throw.

So many plays eli was already under pressure before a WR broke open.

confusion and quick adjustments....

the Eagles had 8/9 in the box......6/7 on the line....some took a step forward on the snap, and then fell back....that initial step caused our line to react to it, and then created confusion on who to block...all it took was one second of decision and this OL was in trouble all night....it couldn't adjust to the confusion the Eagles were creating, and with no time, there was no way Eli could go deep to make the Eagle defense pay for playing so close to the line....

Unfortunately, this is a blueprint for future games for the opposition.....and until this OL can handle this, it will happen again and again...it will be interesting to see if the Cowboys follow the same blueprint....

We saw this last year, when teams would stunt over the middle of this OL, and we had no answer....

is that Flaherty has not been able to prepare these guy for unexpected shifts in personnel on the defense. The Eagles changed it up and we were lost. Outcoached it is called. Same thing with Fewell. Well lets see if it can be fixed and fast.

But in Fewell's defense (and I'm not always defending him) he created turnovers, controlled the 3rd down completion percentage. He was not outcoached. His players were outplayed obviously, but not by as much as the score indicated.

it all started with replacing McCLain with a cripple who cannot play well on two good feet
The D went jello soft.......that allowed Philly to play with house money and bring the house all game long- Blitzkrieg

there was a Domino effect

Also not starting Hillis at RB was another pure stroke of Coughlin genius

Williams has proven time and time again he cannot cut back and cannot move the ball in first halves when Defenses are well rested.

Fells and Moore were not used
#52 with his golden slippers looked like a guy at a train station LOST

For all these cascading reasons starting with Beason I changed my pick when I heard Beason was starting and replacing McCLain from giants 35-13 to Eagles 37-12

I missed the point differential by 2 points as II had the 2 previous Giants games.....Call my Nostradumbass......I'm a Giants fan but for e the season is now over, as I know Beason will never be replaced.

I also was waiting for someone to stack the box with 8-9 guys to stop our "West Coast Offense" and Philadelphia did it all game long

It lives and dies on the turnover.....

If the turnover is not there, it can't stop a team in critical situations, on a consistent basis.....