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Giants interested in Mike Williams (Bills WR)

T-Bone : 10/14/2014 9:47 am
I'd rather they stay in-house as well.

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In the wake of Victor Cruz's season-ending knee injury, the Giants will at least explore Williams.

Giants looking at Williams - ( New Window )
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"He Doesn't Know the Playbook"  
Ben in Tampa : 10/14/2014 10:30 am : link
is such a non factor. These guys are professionals, he will learn the playbook. We don't run a super complicated offense anymore.
SB  
JonC : 10/14/2014 10:30 am : link
It's a big problem that's come home to roost. Colin@gbn posted a lengthy opinion on it at draft time that was a good read. We're looking at a similar decline at DE, and they had to spend via UFA to address it at CB as well.

They must draft better, just to get the arrow pointing up in terms of the talent pipeline.
RE: I'd actually like..  
AcidTest : 10/14/2014 10:31 am : link
In comment 11919229 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to see the team give Washington a legitimate shot.

Can't be worse than just keeping him on the bench for the majority of snaps.


Totally agree. The argument against that is that Washington doesn't play Cruz's position, but I'd get him on the field anyway, at least in four WR sets.
Plaxico wasn't exactly a prince either...  
Simms11 : 10/14/2014 10:32 am : link
but was a great talent. Sometimes you have to take the risk and hopefully you have an organization that can straighten the player out.
at this point  
area junc : 10/14/2014 10:33 am : link
i'd take him in a heartbeat. he's better than preston parker and he plays the slot too

he may even be better than r.randle

sure it's week 6 now. we could still finish 13-3. u gotta try to improve the team if u can
We are going to have to bring in someone  
JOrthman : 10/14/2014 10:40 am : link
Depth is getting shot with injuries. If we get hit with anymore injuries, especially one of the vets were are in serioius trouble. If your going to make a move, do it now before it's too late.
Let this sink in for a second...  
JOrthman : 10/14/2014 10:44 am : link
Rueben Randle is our vet WR now that Cruz is gone.
RE: Let this sink in for a second...  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2014 10:45 am : link
In comment 11919324 JOrthman said:
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Rueben Randle is our vet WR now that Cruz is gone.


Yeah, I was wondering who the "vets" were. It's "vet" and he allegedly still has communication issues with Eli.

After that there is a rookie, a journeyman, and and two UDFA's.

the cupboard is bare.
RE: How is it...  
jcn56 : 10/14/2014 10:48 am : link
In comment 11919270 SB said:
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...that Reese has used more high draft picks on WRs than any other position, and we still don't have any quality depth at the position?


The fact that people's knees seem to keep coming apart sure as hell doesn't help.
Randle's route set is also a bit limited  
JonC : 10/14/2014 10:48 am : link
He lacks suddenness in and out of breaks, and flat out isn't quick in small spaces. Contrast him with OB and you'll see it.
RE:  
AcidTest : 10/14/2014 10:50 am : link
In comment 11919287 Ben in Tampa said:
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is such a non factor. These guys are professionals, he will learn the playbook. We don't run a super complicated offense anymore.


Williams has shown he's anything but a professional, and even if he was, we've had far too many "miscommunication" INTs because Eli and the WR were not on the same page. If you want to trade the McManus pick for him, fine, but we should really just roll with what we've got. Parker can take over in the slot. Get Washington some more reps in 4 WR sets. Sure, he could be Ramses Barden 2.0 as someone said, but it's way too early to make that judgment, and nobody here was saying that while he was lighting it up a la Cruz in the preseason.
Barden was a high draft pick...  
BLUATHRT : 10/14/2014 10:53 am : link
Corey Washington was a UDFA signed after being cut by AZ. Beside the body type, where is there any comparison?
I don't know if Williams is the answer or not  
JOrthman : 10/14/2014 10:54 am : link
but I do know they need to bring someone in, someone with some experience.
Anyone have an offensive lineman we can trade for?  
Curtis in VA : 10/14/2014 10:54 am : link
That would make our WR's better too. =)
Mike Williams  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2014 10:55 am : link
first three seasons rival any Giants first three season I can recall. Similar to Hakeem Nicks first three seasons.

I didn't hear a thing about him until the Schiano years, when they also traded Aqib Talib, Josh Freeman went off the rails, and Doug Martin went from super rookie to bench warmer among other issues.

I'd give Williams a clean slate, let TC do his job and coach him.

if it doesn't cost too much.

Not much risk - like the Beason trade.
RE: Barden was a high draft pick...  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2014 10:56 am : link
In comment 11919349 BLUATHRT said:
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Corey Washington was a UDFA signed after being cut by AZ. Beside the body type, where is there any comparison?


raw, projects, supposed red zone targets, can't separate, can't play specials, yeah I guess you're right they're completely dissimilar. In fact the draft vs. un-drafted is really the only dissimilarity.
From the sounds of the article the Giants  
giantgiantfan : 10/14/2014 10:57 am : link
best bet is giving up a 5th with conditions that could go up to a 3rd. Goes up to a 4th based on amount of snaps he takes this year. 3rd if he's on the roster after game 1 next year. I don't know if he's worth that, but the Bills sound to at least be playing hardball through the media claiming they want a 1st rounder. This of course is bullshit, they know he's not worth that. I think conditions need to be added her to sweeten the deal.

The deal with Mike Williams is supposed character concerns, which don't play well with the Giants. His upside is that he's had to 2 good seasons in 5 years and all of them have been with terrible QBs outside of one decent year by Freeman.

This reeks of desperation though. I trust Reese will not do some stupid deal.
Maybe I'm wrong but hasn't this guy been a bust on every team he  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2014 10:58 am : link
played for? He was a high draft choice who hasn't don't a thing, why would we want him.
What Fatman pointed out is pretty damning  
jcn56 : 10/14/2014 10:59 am : link
You can be a lot of things in the NFL - drug addict, wife beater, 'anonymous source' - but it seems there's nothing worse than a quitter.

I'd still give up a low pick, but like I mentioned earlier - the guy said he thinks he's a #1 in the league and demanded a trade. It doesn't quite sound like he's ready to accept a part time role in an offense, or that he's ready to accept his part in his downfall thus far. Even with a slew of circumstances to explain away why he's at the point in his career where he's a healthy scratch for a DT to play on specials, he's still at least partly to blame and it seems like he might not accept that just yet.
How do we know he can't seperate, he hasn't played.  
BLUATHRT : 10/14/2014 11:00 am : link
He's not a 4.3 guy and has to learn the pro game, especially coming from a small school, where he could dominate based on his body size. To call him Ramses Barden 2.0 6 games into his rookie year, where he's basically had no snaps is jumping the gun in a big way.
Yeah, he said he's a #1, but that's not why he's asking  
Section331 : 10/14/2014 11:03 am : link
to be traded. He wants a trade because he's not even suiting up. I'll trust the Giants to do their due diligence, but I doubt Williams is going to be the answer.
It's just an opinion  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2014 11:03 am : link
I said it could be wrong. These tall UDFA WR's that bounce around on PS are attractive because of their size and potential but in most cases probably don't pan out.
RE: Maybe I'm wrong but hasn't this guy been a bust on every team he  
Giantfootball025 : 10/14/2014 11:04 am : link
In comment 11919365 PatersonPlank said:
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played for? He was a high draft choice who hasn't don't a thing, why would we want him.


You're thinking of Mike Williams from USC who was a 1st round pick and a bust. This is Mike Williams from Syracuse 4th round pick who had over 20 td's in his first 3 seasons.
RE: I see Ramses Barden 2.0  
Damon : 10/14/2014 11:05 am : link
In comment 11919260 pjcas18 said:
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in Corey Washington.


That's a bit dramatic... Don't you think?
a lazy ME guy  
natefit : 10/14/2014 11:06 am : link
or a player with something to prove? Bring him in and work him out and find out
RE: RE: I see Ramses Barden 2.0  
Randy in CT : 10/14/2014 11:07 am : link
In comment 11919386 Damon said:
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In comment 11919260 pjcas18 said:


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in Corey Washington.




That's a bit dramatic... Don't you think?
No similarities.
How is Ramses Barden  
NYGmen58 : 10/14/2014 11:11 am : link
anywhere comparable to Washington, aside form both being wide receivers?!

Some posters on here on beyond pathetic.
RE: RE: I see Ramses Barden 2.0  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2014 11:12 am : link
In comment 11919386 Damon said:
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In comment 11919260 pjcas18 said:


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in Corey Washington.




That's a bit dramatic... Don't you think?


Probably, but is there a long history of UDFA WR's from DII Newberry College making it to the NFL? Odds are against him.

Thanks Giantfootball025  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2014 11:13 am : link
Ok now I am a little more interested. Plus Coughlin should be able to get a good read on him since he is an "Orange"
RE: a lazy ME guy  
Section331 : 10/14/2014 11:18 am : link
In comment 11919389 natefit said:
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or a player with something to prove? Bring him in and work him out and find out


Since he's under contract, you can't just bring him in and work him out. They'll have to do their due diligence in other ways, like reaching out to Mike Sullivan and get his thoughts.
RIght forgot that  
natefit : 10/14/2014 11:20 am : link
and that makes it a tougher call higher risk...
I wouldn't mind....  
damdevs : 10/14/2014 11:41 am : link
adding Williams, but with those contract numbers I'd pass on him.

If he can be had for a 6th  
phil fromphilly : 10/14/2014 12:09 pm : link
It's worth it. If he doesn't work out just cut him before the guarantee kicks in.
holy crap  
fkap : 10/14/2014 12:50 pm : link
this guy needs a new agent (right after Giants redo his contract, of course). Who signs a deal like that? high dollar amount, but 0 liability if the team cuts him. Looks like no signing bonus. That's a recipe for never seeing those dollars.

Over the Cap has a new format which lists base salary as guaranteed for every year. I checked Eli, and per OTC his salary next year is 'guaranteed', which is not true. perhaps they mean since he's vested, if he's on the team for the opening game, his salary is guaranteed. That part should be a given. I'd rather know what is truly guaranteed by contract, not by league rules.
Stephen Hill  
SHO'NUFF : 10/14/2014 12:53 pm : link
give him a shot with a real QB...
By the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2014 12:58 pm : link
this is Mike Williams from Syracuse who walked away from his senior year. Mike williams who would not resign with TB, and Mike Williams who now is demanding a trade.

Look at his numbers, but realize that this is a guy who quickly leaves any situation he's in. Like I said above - for this year - fine, kick the tires, but let's not expect commitment or hard work to come from him.
No they don't say Eli's  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2014 1:00 pm : link
contract is guaranteed on over the cap.

They show very clearly Eli could be cut with very little dead money (only pro-rated bonuses).

The guaranteed portion of the contract is displayed underneath the contract amount in italics.

And Mike Williams signed a 6 year 40M deal with 15M guaranteed with the Bucs in 2013. he was traded and his guarantees don't go away.

But then he signed a new deal with the Bills that gave him more guaranteed money.

I don't think he needs a new agent.
He's a  
dorgan : 10/14/2014 1:01 pm : link
real odd duck. Talented as hell, but hasn't displayed a lot commitment to the game or to any team.

He's the kind of guy that you keep waiting for him to grow up.

My theory is that you'll still be waiting for that when he's dead.

If this trade happens, it would make me a bit optimistic  
Some Fan : 10/14/2014 1:25 pm : link
as in Giants management thinks they have a legit shot to do something big this year notwithstanding the display of football we all saw on Sunday night.
Not going to happen  
FJ : 10/14/2014 1:33 pm : link
"I said, 'We like Mike Williams. We expect him back and we expect big things from him,'" [Bills' GM] Whaley said. "But like anybody, if he gets us compensation worthy of a No. 1 wide receiver -- which he claimed he is -- then we would entertain it."
Whaley sounds like  
Randy in CT : 10/14/2014 1:34 pm : link
a cockfuckhead there.
RE: He's a  
David in LA : 10/14/2014 1:48 pm : link
In comment 11919655 dorgan said:
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real odd duck. Talented as hell, but hasn't displayed a lot commitment to the game or to any team.

He's the kind of guy that you keep waiting for him to grow up.

My theory is that you'll still be waiting for that when he's dead.


Sounds like a coach killer to me.
Raanan: Not happening  
Defenderdawg : 10/14/2014 1:49 pm : link
"The Giants are not interested in giving up a draft pick and paying Williams a hefty salary, a person familiar with the situation told NJ.com. Williams is making over $1 million this year and guaranteed more than $5 million in 2015..."

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Reading this stuff, I wonder if Williams is a guy with talent  
Some Fan : 10/14/2014 1:54 pm : link
but not really into football.
When I hear "odd duck"  
Some Fan : 10/14/2014 1:55 pm : link
I think may not be into football rather than an asshole who doesn't want to listen to anyone and is self-destructive.
glad we are passing  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2014 2:01 pm : link
just move on and get the young guys as many reps as possible. They will sign a vet that can be a solid #3 guy, but its Randle and Beckhams time now.
How about  
Glover : 10/14/2014 2:52 pm : link
Michael Clayton?
RE:  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 11919287 Ben in Tampa said:
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is such a non factor. These guys are professionals, he will learn the playbook. We don't run a super complicated offense anymore.


Yeah, just ask Randle. Another mental gem from LSU.
Josh Boyce  
Dragon : 10/14/2014 3:12 pm : link
Is on the Pats PS he present decent size 5-11 205 and very good speed for the slot position. He has more tools to work with than anyone on our roster in the slot presently.
Mike is far from the smartest kid in football, but he's not a bad kid.  
L.T.=Lawrence Taylor : 10/14/2014 3:51 pm : link
You never know, what's happened in Tampa and Buffalo might just motivate him. He has to know he doesn't have that many chances left to stick in the league. If that doesn't make him work hard than he's just a moron.
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