Giants interested in Mike Williams (Bills WR)

they should look into him. If he's available for a 6th I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

It will require TC/McAdoo to motivate him,but the talent is there.

In comment 11919185 pjcas18 said:

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they should look into him. If he's available for a 6th I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. It will require TC/McAdoo to motivate him,but the talent is there.

Couldn't agree more.

to over the cap, he (Mike Williams) is guaranteed ZERO after this year. I trust them more than rotoworld.

or it's just someone speculating based on Reese's policy to explore all options.

But god forbid we sustain another injury at WR. Nobody that has been injured is coming back. Our depth is shot.

Maybe Williams and Randle on the outside and Beckham in the slot would be pretty decent.

just don't see what he's going to add this year. He doesn't know the playbook. I also wouldn't want him at all because of his past problems. We are supposed to be getting away from players like him.

but it's not just the depth that's shot, it's the position.

Randle, Beckham, and Parker are not a legit trio of WR's.

I won't pretend to know more than the coaches/GM's (or maybe I am), but for a team that needs to be able to pass to move the chains that's not going to get it done.

so familiarity with the playbook isn't really a concern.

As for his behavior - just like Marvin Austin, it could be that he needs one final kick in the ass to set him straight. If done for a low draft pick, then the only thing you've risked is someone who'd likely pan out to be a PS squad player next year anyway.

In comment 11919190 pjcas18 said:

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to over the cap, he (Mike Williams) is guaranteed ZERO after this year. I trust them more than rotoworld.

Rotoworld looks correct here.


2014 season:
Base salary: $1.2 million (fully guaranteed)
Workout bonus: $600,000
Cap charge: $1.8 million

2015 season:
Base salary: $5.2 million (fully guaranteed)
Roster bonus: $1 million (paid on third day of league year)
Workout bonus: $600,000
Cap charge: $6.8 million

2016 season:
Base salary: $5.6 million
Roster bonus: $1 million (paid on third day of league year)
Workout bonus: $600,000
Cap charge: $7.2 million

2017 season:
Base salary: $5.9 million
Roster bonus: $1 million (paid on third day of league year)
Workout bonus: $600,000
Cap charge: $7.5 million

2018 season:
Base salary: $4.15 million
Roster bonus: $4 million (paid on third day of league year)
Workout bonus: $600,000
Cap charge: $8.75 million

it's not time to give up on the season and IMO rolling out those three WR's and add in Corey Washington and Julian Talley is waving a white flag practically.

I don't know if Mike Williams can learn a playbook or not or if he's the right player to acquire, but I feel like doing nothing is being complacent.

I don't think the Giants should give up a lot for a WR, but I don't think they have to.

1) Reese's stock answer when asked about any player is that they look into everything that is available. Whether they act or not is a totally different question...however
2) As we saw last year with Beason, if the Giants see an obvious upgrade at a low cost, particularly at an area of need, he will pull the trigger
3) With the McManus trade to Denver, Reese has an extra 7th round pick to play with. So that would free up a low draft pick for a guy who can help out this year
4) Sullivan coached him at Tampa. You wonder if the Giants would give him a call to get his input

Worth watching for a low cost return.

I wouldn't mind it but I don't think it's going to happen.

It's not guaranteed by whomever acquires him, so you can always renegotiate or cut him. If he does a great job, then you work with him to extend him. If not, you're out a low round draft pick.

This would be a good test of another theory - that Gilbride's offense was too complicated to pick up for someone coming off the bench (or off the street). I don't think Williams would pay off immediate returns, but if McAdoo's offense is easier for WRs to pick up, you'd think he'd be able to start paying dividends within a few weeks, especially with a bye coming up.

isn't guaranteed until the 3rd day of the league year in 2015.

and have it be just for this year, though.

The guy has failed at commitment at each level of play and continues to walk away when things go South. If he were a Giant this year, he'd have quit this Monday.

I'm not crazy about the idea because we're already in Week 6 and I wonder what kind of impact he'd have and whether that potential impact is worth giving up a draft pick? I guess if they're going to make a move, with the Bye coming up, now would be the time to do it.

I also believe in Eli's ability to make the players, in particular the WRs, better. I think if given time by his O-line that Eli would be fine with a WR unit of Randle, OBJ, Parker, Washington and Talley. I do see some people's point though about what would happen if we lose one of them as well to injury though.

That all said, if the Giants think that trading for him is the best move, I'll trust their judgement.

to see the team give Washington a legitimate shot.

Can't be worse than just keeping him on the bench for the majority of snaps.

We don't need this, and it isn't our style to make this trade out of desperation.

The nature of the system, Eli's ability to scan the field, find open guys, and spread the ball around... As well as the emergence of Beckum and Donnell... We still have weapons.

The problem is we've exhausted all our depth. Getting Williams puts another body on the bench should someone else get hurt and possibly someone who might be useful getting starting reps.

This of course requires that Williams understands that he's not actually a #1, not right off the bat at least. Seeing as that's why he wants out of Buffalo, that might not be a trivial matter.

The player's failures with commitment suggest he won't change in this regard.

We do need a WR, depth is shot and logically we're more than one wideout down, given CW's route set and overall skillset are very raw. He's not shown anything in the short or intermediate routes where his size and length are less helpful than downfield on the boundary out of traffic.

in Corey Washington.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Julian Talley scored 17 TDs in one season for the Pittsburgh Power of the Arena League, and I feel like that's going to be his professional football peak.

I'd love to be wrong here and we'll find out soon enough.

this stretch of the schedule will make or break the season:

Dallas
bye
Colts
@Seahawks
SF
Dallas

5 losable game. If the Giants wake up on Monday 11/24 at 3 - 8 I wouldn't be shocked.

And I don't think I'm being a pessimist, looking at the season as a whole losing all 5 of those games would not surprise me.

of course if they went 3 - 2 I'd also not be surprised.

Just saying those games are all easily losable IMO.

If the Bills wanted Nassib for Williams, would you consider it? It may be an option. He already knows the Bills Offense and he has to be better than EJ Manuel. We would need to bring back Painter or sign another back up. I woouldn't do it, but Bills might.

no way, Jose.

...that Reese has used more high draft picks on WRs than any other position, and we still don't have any quality depth at the position?

I'd give up Nassib of they threw in Cordy Glenn with Mike Williams. LOL.

Nassib should net way more than a lazy WR who you may only have to part with a late pick for.

We took Nassib to develop behind Eli and either trade him for a profit or be a fall back option should Eli get hurt.

Williams is on the block, but I'd prefer if we make a trade to take a veteran who would step in. As much as I think Greg Jennings is shot, There are a lot of people at the end of their careers who would be able to step in better at probably the same cost.

is such a non factor. These guys are professionals, he will learn the playbook. We don't run a super complicated offense anymore.

It's a big problem that's come home to roost. Colin@gbn posted a lengthy opinion on it at draft time that was a good read. We're looking at a similar decline at DE, and they had to spend via UFA to address it at CB as well.

They must draft better, just to get the arrow pointing up in terms of the talent pipeline.

In comment 11919229 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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to see the team give Washington a legitimate shot. Can't be worse than just keeping him on the bench for the majority of snaps.

Totally agree. The argument against that is that Washington doesn't play Cruz's position, but I'd get him on the field anyway, at least in four WR sets.

but was a great talent. Sometimes you have to take the risk and hopefully you have an organization that can straighten the player out.

i'd take him in a heartbeat. he's better than preston parker and he plays the slot too

he may even be better than r.randle

sure it's week 6 now. we could still finish 13-3. u gotta try to improve the team if u can

Depth is getting shot with injuries. If we get hit with anymore injuries, especially one of the vets were are in serioius trouble. If your going to make a move, do it now before it's too late.

Rueben Randle is our vet WR now that Cruz is gone.

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Rueben Randle is our vet WR now that Cruz is gone.

Yeah, I was wondering who the "vets" were. It's "vet" and he allegedly still has communication issues with Eli.

After that there is a rookie, a journeyman, and and two UDFA's.

the cupboard is bare.

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...that Reese has used more high draft picks on WRs than any other position, and we still don't have any quality depth at the position?

The fact that people's knees seem to keep coming apart sure as hell doesn't help.

He lacks suddenness in and out of breaks, and flat out isn't quick in small spaces. Contrast him with OB and you'll see it.

In comment 11919287 Ben in Tampa said:

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is such a non factor. These guys are professionals, he will learn the playbook. We don't run a super complicated offense anymore.

Williams has shown he's anything but a professional, and even if he was, we've had far too many "miscommunication" INTs because Eli and the WR were not on the same page. If you want to trade the McManus pick for him, fine, but we should really just roll with what we've got. Parker can take over in the slot. Get Washington some more reps in 4 WR sets. Sure, he could be Ramses Barden 2.0 as someone said, but it's way too early to make that judgment, and nobody here was saying that while he was lighting it up a la Cruz in the preseason.

Corey Washington was a UDFA signed after being cut by AZ. Beside the body type, where is there any comparison?

but I do know they need to bring someone in, someone with some experience.

That would make our WR's better too. =)

first three seasons rival any Giants first three season I can recall. Similar to Hakeem Nicks first three seasons.

I didn't hear a thing about him until the Schiano years, when they also traded Aqib Talib, Josh Freeman went off the rails, and Doug Martin went from super rookie to bench warmer among other issues.

I'd give Williams a clean slate, let TC do his job and coach him.

if it doesn't cost too much.

Not much risk - like the Beason trade.

In comment 11919349 BLUATHRT said:

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Corey Washington was a UDFA signed after being cut by AZ. Beside the body type, where is there any comparison?

raw, projects, supposed red zone targets, can't separate, can't play specials, yeah I guess you're right they're completely dissimilar. In fact the draft vs. un-drafted is really the only dissimilarity.

best bet is giving up a 5th with conditions that could go up to a 3rd. Goes up to a 4th based on amount of snaps he takes this year. 3rd if he's on the roster after game 1 next year. I don't know if he's worth that, but the Bills sound to at least be playing hardball through the media claiming they want a 1st rounder. This of course is bullshit, they know he's not worth that. I think conditions need to be added her to sweeten the deal.

The deal with Mike Williams is supposed character concerns, which don't play well with the Giants. His upside is that he's had to 2 good seasons in 5 years and all of them have been with terrible QBs outside of one decent year by Freeman.

This reeks of desperation though. I trust Reese will not do some stupid deal.

played for? He was a high draft choice who hasn't don't a thing, why would we want him.

You can be a lot of things in the NFL - drug addict, wife beater, 'anonymous source' - but it seems there's nothing worse than a quitter.

I'd still give up a low pick, but like I mentioned earlier - the guy said he thinks he's a #1 in the league and demanded a trade. It doesn't quite sound like he's ready to accept a part time role in an offense, or that he's ready to accept his part in his downfall thus far. Even with a slew of circumstances to explain away why he's at the point in his career where he's a healthy scratch for a DT to play on specials, he's still at least partly to blame and it seems like he might not accept that just yet.

He's not a 4.3 guy and has to learn the pro game, especially coming from a small school, where he could dominate based on his body size. To call him Ramses Barden 2.0 6 games into his rookie year, where he's basically had no snaps is jumping the gun in a big way.

to be traded. He wants a trade because he's not even suiting up. I'll trust the Giants to do their due diligence, but I doubt Williams is going to be the answer.

I said it could be wrong. These tall UDFA WR's that bounce around on PS are attractive because of their size and potential but in most cases probably don't pan out.

In comment 11919365 PatersonPlank said:

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played for? He was a high draft choice who hasn't don't a thing, why would we want him.

You're thinking of Mike Williams from USC who was a 1st round pick and a bust. This is Mike Williams from Syracuse 4th round pick who had over 20 td's in his first 3 seasons.

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in Corey Washington.

That's a bit dramatic... Don't you think?

or a player with something to prove? Bring him in and work him out and find out

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In comment 11919260 pjcas18 said: Quote: in Corey Washington. That's a bit dramatic... Don't you think?

No similarities.

anywhere comparable to Washington, aside form both being wide receivers?!

Some posters on here on beyond pathetic.

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In comment 11919260 pjcas18 said: Quote: in Corey Washington. That's a bit dramatic... Don't you think?

Probably, but is there a long history of UDFA WR's from DII Newberry College making it to the NFL? Odds are against him.

Ok now I am a little more interested. Plus Coughlin should be able to get a good read on him since he is an "Orange"

In comment 11919389 natefit said:

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or a player with something to prove? Bring him in and work him out and find out

Since he's under contract, you can't just bring him in and work him out. They'll have to do their due diligence in other ways, like reaching out to Mike Sullivan and get his thoughts.

and that makes it a tougher call higher risk...

adding Williams, but with those contract numbers I'd pass on him.

It's worth it. If he doesn't work out just cut him before the guarantee kicks in.

this guy needs a new agent (right after Giants redo his contract, of course). Who signs a deal like that? high dollar amount, but 0 liability if the team cuts him. Looks like no signing bonus. That's a recipe for never seeing those dollars.

Over the Cap has a new format which lists base salary as guaranteed for every year. I checked Eli, and per OTC his salary next year is 'guaranteed', which is not true. perhaps they mean since he's vested, if he's on the team for the opening game, his salary is guaranteed. That part should be a given. I'd rather know what is truly guaranteed by contract, not by league rules.

give him a shot with a real QB...

this is Mike Williams from Syracuse who walked away from his senior year. Mike williams who would not resign with TB, and Mike Williams who now is demanding a trade.

Look at his numbers, but realize that this is a guy who quickly leaves any situation he's in. Like I said above - for this year - fine, kick the tires, but let's not expect commitment or hard work to come from him.

contract is guaranteed on over the cap.

They show very clearly Eli could be cut with very little dead money (only pro-rated bonuses).

The guaranteed portion of the contract is displayed underneath the contract amount in italics.

And Mike Williams signed a 6 year 40M deal with 15M guaranteed with the Bucs in 2013. he was traded and his guarantees don't go away.

But then he signed a new deal with the Bills that gave him more guaranteed money.

I don't think he needs a new agent.

real odd duck. Talented as hell, but hasn't displayed a lot commitment to the game or to any team.

He's the kind of guy that you keep waiting for him to grow up.

My theory is that you'll still be waiting for that when he's dead.

as in Giants management thinks they have a legit shot to do something big this year notwithstanding the display of football we all saw on Sunday night.

"I said, 'We like Mike Williams. We expect him back and we expect big things from him,'" [Bills' GM] Whaley said. "But like anybody, if he gets us compensation worthy of a No. 1 wide receiver -- which he claimed he is -- then we would entertain it."

a cockfuckhead there.

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real odd duck. Talented as hell, but hasn't displayed a lot commitment to the game or to any team. He's the kind of guy that you keep waiting for him to grow up. My theory is that you'll still be waiting for that when he's dead.

Sounds like a coach killer to me.

"The Giants are not interested in giving up a draft pick and paying Williams a hefty salary, a person familiar with the situation told NJ.com. Williams is making over $1 million this year and guaranteed more than $5 million in 2015..."

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but not really into football.

I think may not be into football rather than an asshole who doesn't want to listen to anyone and is self-destructive.

just move on and get the young guys as many reps as possible. They will sign a vet that can be a solid #3 guy, but its Randle and Beckhams time now.

Michael Clayton?

In comment 11919287 Ben in Tampa said:

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is such a non factor. These guys are professionals, he will learn the playbook. We don't run a super complicated offense anymore.

Yeah, just ask Randle. Another mental gem from LSU.

Is on the Pats PS he present decent size 5-11 205 and very good speed for the slot position. He has more tools to work with than anyone on our roster in the slot presently.

You never know, what's happened in Tampa and Buffalo might just motivate him. He has to know he doesn't have that many chances left to stick in the league. If that doesn't make him work hard than he's just a moron.