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I still believe the giants are making a mistake

scott in albany : 10/14/2014 1:29 pm
not playing richburg at center. In my opinion he is a future pro bowl center. Walton does not impress me at all.

Put richburg at center and bench walton. He is a good back up. Find someone else to play guard.

Richburg is the type of player you build a offensive line around. Richburg was one of the few players who i saw last week who put up a fight.

I also think the giants should never ever give JPP a long term, expensive contract. I have been telling everyone since his rookie year JPP takes plays off. He has talent no doubt but i don't think he is worth big money.

One more thing, I still want reese fired. Too many bad picks. He does not understand you can not under value any position in the NFL.


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If richburg got hurt  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 1:51 pm : link
i guess the giants would play 4 offensive linemen. Sorry we have no one to play guard.LOL
The problem as I see it  
Matt M. : 10/14/2014 1:53 pm : link
Is that it is unclear who the best options, other than Richburg, are at OG. Schwartz, for all the talk, was not looking good this summer before getting hurt. Jerry was an afterthought, except for depth, when he was signed. He has been very inconsistent. Moseley, I thought, showed enough last year to get a look this year. However, he sucked this summer also.

I agree that Richburg should ultimately end up at OC. But, right now, I'm not sure that is the overall best move. What I am not happy about is being committed to Walton and Richburg moving forward.
Fixed.  
vibe4giants : 10/14/2014 1:53 pm : link
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I still believe the giants are making a mistake

scottz in albanyz : 1:29 pm
Scott, I'm fairly certain that the reason the current guys are startin  
David in LA : 10/14/2014 1:54 pm : link
is because the guys on the bench are actually worse than them. You're not coming up with some groundbreaking solution, we went with a lot of different combos this offseason. Gee - you think there might be a reason why Brewer and Mosley aren't getting snaps? Could be that the coaches actually watch these guys in practice and judge them accordingly - you know, doing their jobs.
you forgot a random number, vibe  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2014 1:54 pm : link
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RE: If richburg got hurt  
Mad Mike : 10/14/2014 1:54 pm : link
In comment 11919783 scott in albany said:
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i guess the giants would play 4 offensive linemen. Sorry we have no one to play guard.LOL

That's the best you can do? I mean, if you're not going to even bother to be responsive, what's the point of posting?
scott, we do.  
Randy in CT : 10/14/2014 1:54 pm : link
But unlike you, the Giants aren't game-planning with this idea that you can just "stick anyone in there". They are actually trying to balance having their best 5 out there, with 5 players who can actually play the exact position.

It's almost as if football is complicated and you can't do just one thing to fix everything. weird. That.
Guys, give Scott some credit  
David in LA : 10/14/2014 1:59 pm : link
he obviously fired up Madden and stumbled upon this "brilliant" solution to our problems.
It's funny  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 1:59 pm : link
I thought i was going to get blasted for my opinion on JPP or Reese, not Richburg.
Shoot,  
Doomster : 10/14/2014 2:01 pm : link
didn't I read on this board that Reese had solved the OL problems?
who are you to question our coaching staff?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/14/2014 2:04 pm : link
this same staff that let Diehl play 2 years after his expiration date... the same staff that brought O'Hara back fresh from injury to replace a highly effective Kevin Boothe, thus derailing our 2010 season...
Questioning the staff is fine.  
vibe4giants : 10/14/2014 2:07 pm : link
Thinking 'find someone else' is the answer six weeks into the season is the problem here.
You forgot about  
Randy in CT : 10/14/2014 2:07 pm : link
that Super Bowl win stuff?
This guy can play guard quite well.  
manh george : 10/14/2014 2:07 pm : link

I never once said moving richburg  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 2:07 pm : link
would solve all of are problems. I just said richburg should be at center. That's all. You guys make shit up. Thats not my fault.
you have to give scott credit  
YAJ2112 : 10/14/2014 2:08 pm : link
there are few who consistently dive as deep into the pool of stupid as he does.
RE: I agree with the OP  
NYG007 : 10/14/2014 2:10 pm : link
In comment 11919735 CMicks3110 said:
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I don't like Walton at all, small, weak, not quick. I rather Richburg at Center, and put Schwartz at LG


That is what I would do as well, Jerry needs to be a backup guard, and Walton needs to seriously not play. Walton did have one very good game this year, the other 5 have been sub par at best
I think Scott is right about Richburg. C is his natural position. Also  
Victor in CT : 10/14/2014 2:11 pm : link
Center is more important than Guard. And Walton stinks.

That said, I don't think they can realistically do it until the bye week if Schwartz is cleared to play. I would also play Schwartz at his natural RG. Play Mosely at LG if he is healthy.
scott..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2014 2:14 pm : link
not only dives into the deep of stupid, he relishes it and stays down until asphyxia occurs.
Everyone is  
NYBEN : 10/14/2014 2:14 pm : link
focusing on Walton and Jerry but it looked like Pugh got his ass handed to him all night.Now to be fair on some of those maybe he was expecting help from Jerry but at times Pugh looked like Ian Allen.
Schwartz can't even practice until Monday  
vibe4giants : 10/14/2014 2:14 pm : link
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RE: Schwartz can't even practice until Monday  
Chris in Philly : 10/14/2014 2:15 pm : link
In comment 11919865 vibe4giants said:
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That's not important right now. NO EXCUSES!
Fatman  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 2:19 pm : link
How ya doing. It wouldn't be the same with out you insulting me . Feels like i'm back home.
I only insult..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2014 2:23 pm : link
fuckfaces who deserves it.

Glad you are well and the same.
Fatman  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 2:29 pm : link
You remind me of a new yorker. No problem.
What  
Glover : 10/14/2014 2:38 pm : link
are we gonna do with this fucking guy?
Anyone going to be shocked when Schwartz comes off IR for the Colts  
BlueHurricane : 10/14/2014 2:39 pm : link
And it's Richburgh who goes to the bench??????
Well, the problem goes beyond center this past week  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2014 2:39 pm : link
Pugh - annihilated

Jerry - gosh, I mean really? How does a fat ass move out of the way so quickly?

Walton - if his body language could speak it would say "HELP!!!!"

Richburg - attacking Fletcher on the ground was a start

Beatty - just waiting for a hang nail or his eye rolls out of his head from a defender poking him

Looks like we fixed the OL. Yup, bring on Dallas. Here we come

Good Lord
Scott - if Richburg is a future pro bowler at Center  
Jimmy Googs : 10/14/2014 2:40 pm : link
and the kind of guy you build an o-line around, then why are you complaining that Jerry Reese can't draft anybody good?
RE: You forgot about  
SHO'NUFF : 10/14/2014 2:41 pm : link
In comment 11919838 Randy in CT said:
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that Super Bowl win stuff?


lol... conveniently forgot.... get it right, dude!
Jimmy once again  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 2:46 pm : link
I never said reese can't draft anybody good. I said too many bad picks. Once again, people making shit up. It's like fox news here. LOL.
Pugh  
old man : 10/14/2014 2:47 pm : link
needs to lose some weight, get back quickness;
Jerry-sits when GS comes back;
Walton-might get help from GS in line-up; if no improvement we might see WR at C;
Richburg-stays at LG, pending Walton;
Beatty-every week it's: do we see good Beatty or bad Beatty?
RE: I agree with the OP  
BMac : 10/14/2014 2:50 pm : link
In comment 11919735 CMicks3110 said:
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I don't like Walton at all, small, weak, not quick. I rather Richburg at Center, and put Schwartz at LG


So Walton, who is 6'3" and 305 pounds is small? He's right at the average for NFL Offensive Linemen.
Yeah, but you said it in the very same thread  
Jimmy Googs : 10/14/2014 2:52 pm : link
that you are giving ever-loving praise to Reese's 2nd round pick.

All GMs have too many bad picks. Its everyone's subjectivity to determine how many that really is...



And what's wrong with Fox News...  
Jimmy Googs : 10/14/2014 2:55 pm : link
truth about the state of the union hard to listen to?
this year they're stuck  
BigBlueCane : 10/14/2014 3:02 pm : link
but next year, they need to draft another interior OL high.
Jimmy thanks for making  
scott in albany : 10/14/2014 3:10 pm : link
my day.
RE: Everyone is  
Simms11 : 10/14/2014 3:19 pm : link
In comment 11919864 NYBEN said:
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focusing on Walton and Jerry but it looked like Pugh got his ass handed to him all night.Now to be fair on some of those maybe he was expecting help from Jerry but at times Pugh looked like Ian Allen.


OMG! NOt an Ian Allen mention! He was bad and yes Pugh looked equally as bad, as if he went out with his Philly buddies the night before!
RE: this year they're stuck  
Jimmy Googs : 10/14/2014 3:21 pm : link
In comment 11919954 BigBlueCane said:
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but next year, they need to draft another interior OL high.


Interior? What about a new RT to replace Pugh. He played the worst of anybody on Sunday.

If we are going to use Sunday's game to make every snap decision for the future, let's at least do it right...
RE: Well, the problem goes beyond center this past week  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2014 3:42 pm : link
In comment 11919902 Giants2012 said:
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Pugh - annihilated

Jerry - gosh, I mean really? How does a fat ass move out of the way so quickly?

Walton - if his body language could speak it would say "HELP!!!!"

Richburg - attacking Fletcher on the ground was a start

Beatty - just waiting for a hang nail or his eye rolls out of his head from a defender poking him

Looks like we fixed the OL. Yup, bring on Dallas. Here we come

Good Lord


Oh look, PFF grades (which I'm sure is posted elsehwhere)

Pugh: -4.3 - awesome
Richburg: -3.3 - very nice
Jerry: -2.8 - thought it was worse
Beatty: -0.3 - gee, and I thought he had a good game
Walton: -0.1 - I guess you get a nice grade when defenders are tripping over you after a fall.
Scott  
TMS : 10/14/2014 3:43 pm : link
Think Reese is regretting very much his undervaluing of Ol prior to 2013 now. He was sold that bill of goods by Accorsi who was a big measurable skill position guy in the earlier rounds of the draft. Thought Ol were a waste and could be coached up and not have draft picks wasted on them. Coughlin is not of that opinion. So this mess is on Reese and his useless hire Ross.
Hi Scott,  
Gregorio : 10/14/2014 3:44 pm : link
In comment 11919918 scott in albany said:
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I never said reese can't draft anybody good. I said too many bad picks. Once again, people making shit up. It's like fox news here. LOL.



Your idea to move Richburg from center has some merit, Walton has been unimpressive, but I can’t let you get away with this last comment. I am not republican but I find Fox News is far better than its competitors in terms of reporting accuracy, truthfulness, and quality of programming. I find I can trust Fox where the others, CNN and MSNBC I don’t.
Greg
it's an amazing phenomenon  
mfsd : 10/14/2014 3:51 pm : link
the way the idiots sprout again like fucking weeds after one bad game

I think Richburg is the long-term solution at OC,  
Section331 : 10/14/2014 3:52 pm : link
but you are way overstating Walton's struggles. Yeah, he played like crap against Philly, but who on the line didn't? Should we replace everyone?

Walton is seeing his first action in almost 2 years, so it isn't a shock he's been up and down. That said, he's a better option than sliding Mosely in. You're forgetting how brutal he was. And Jerry isn't much better. When Schwartz comes back, that's where the change will occur.
RE: I think Richburg is the long-term solution at OC,  
FJ : 10/14/2014 3:55 pm : link
In comment 11920034 Section331 said:
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but you are way overstating Walton's struggles. Yeah, he played like crap against Philly, but who on the line didn't? Should we replace everyone?

Walton is seeing his first action in almost 2 years, so it isn't a shock he's been up and down. That said, he's a better option than sliding Mosely in. You're forgetting how brutal he was. And Jerry isn't much better. When Schwartz comes back, that's where the change will occur.
In addition, physical ability is not the only criteria. Richberg should ultimately be the better Center for the future, but Walton is the guy with more experience making the line calls. Richberg can learn a lot playing guard now then shifting to center when he's ready to make the calls.
Agreed, good point, FJ.  
Section331 : 10/14/2014 4:01 pm : link
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RE: Well, the problem goes beyond center this past week  
Percy : 10/14/2014 4:45 pm : link
In comment 11919902 Giants2012 said:
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Beatty - just waiting for a hang nail or his eye rolls out of his head from a defender poking him

Laughed so hard at "or his eye rolls out of his head," I about crapped my pants. Man, what a mess we have here on the O-line! To say nothing of most everywhere else.
the answer is obvious  
B in ALB : 10/14/2014 5:01 pm : link
You trade for Dion Lewis and hope that somehow the Browns will take a 1st for him.

He can probably play G and C by himself, snap the ball to himself, run the ball behind the hole he creates himself, and still manage to get arrested at the team hotel after the game.
Hmmmm....  
Doomster : 10/14/2014 10:09 pm : link
Scott - if Richburg is a future pro bowler at Center
Jimmy Googs : 2:40 pm : link : reply
and the kind of guy you build an o-line around, then why are you complaining that Jerry Reese can't draft anybody good?

And he hasn't even played one down at center.....where did you buy your crystal ball?
Agree  
Some Fan : 10/14/2014 11:49 pm : link
When Schwartz is healthy put him at guard, Richburg at Center and Walton to a backup role. Walton is completely overmatched.
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