This has been discussed in other threads to a degree but it really deserves its own thread. That is futility that rivals the worst in the league.
MOM said in the another that there have been 11 shutouts in the entire league over that time and we account for 4 of them. 1/3rd of the leagues shutouts over a 25 game stretch are from our team that has a possible hall of fame coach and possible hall of fame QB. Something is just very weird about that. Feast or famine to to the extreme.
I have been a huge Coughlin supporter but those numbers right there have really shaken my confidence in him. Too many times we just do not show up.
Fuck 2 superbowls in 7 years. I want consistency!
Isn't it possible another coach could have won two super bowls and been consistently competitive in the non-Super Bowl win seasons? Is that just inconceivable?
Not sure why it's one or the other. Like the choices are only a) two super bowls in 5 years with awful lethargic, embarrassing, clueless, stretches in between or consistency with no super bowls.
as fans, shouldn't we want both?
is it unrealistic?
losing by more than 17 points 9 times in the past 25 games with being shut out four time I'd say is unprepared and unmotivated "this often"
As some others pointed out, Parcells (and maybe most coaches) want to get the zero off the board ASAP.
The 4 shutouts, although troubling, are overshadowed by the losing by 17+ 9 times.
After starting 0-6 last year, we finished 7-3. I guess I could turn around and say well okay, in the last 16 games we are 10-6, with only 3 losses of 17 or more and 2 shutouts. That doesn't sound as bad, does it?
Now, my point isn't to say there aren't problems, or that the last 16 games everything has been fine, or getting shut out is acceptable.
My point is that just citing those statistics doesn't really mean much without context.
You have to cut some people some slack on that, in my opinion. They have sat through some miserable football for 18 months, and it felt good to win again and look like they were on the up and up.
They are "fans", after all.
Those numbers, while ugly, are skewed.
Why go back 25 games? Well, exactly 25 games ago was the third to last game of 2012, in which we got blown out and shut out by Atlanta. If you're comparing teams, why not just use all of 2012?
Hence me saying that this team now is SO different than that team. That team had an ageing vet core, who other than Eli and Rolle are COMPLETELY gone. We ran an offense that couldn't be more the polar opposite than what we run now. This is a different team, period.
But these are completely different teams and this is going to take time.
I don't think it's fair to compare this to that at this juncture.
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Those numbers are ugly.
Those numbers, while ugly, are skewed.
Why go back 25 games? Well, exactly 25 games ago was the third to last game of 2012, in which we got blown out and shut out by Atlanta. If you're comparing teams, why not just use all of 2012?
Hence me saying that this team now is SO different than that team. That team had an ageing vet core, who other than Eli and Rolle are COMPLETELY gone. We ran an offense that couldn't be more the polar opposite than what we run now. This is a different team, period.
It paints the picture that the last 1.5 years or so have been below average (to be kind). It's a fair stat. And I would hope that the team is alittle bit different than the 2012, and especially the 2013 teams. Not good teams, again, to be kind. :)
25 was obviously picked as the game of the last shut out, I don't think that's skewed or sneaky about why 25 was picked.
I don't think the point was, correct if I'm wrong OP, that Giants stink (because your'e right the team is very different now than 25 games ago), I think it was a knock on Coughlin.
Very ugly and disturbing, there are some bad fucking losses in those 25 games.
If you want to go back to include the entire 2012 season it is just as ugly if not worse. Add 5 more defeats of 17+ points and one of 14.
So 38 games. 19&19. Lost by 17+ 14 times and shutout 4 (scored 3 once in a 26-3 loss)
Would you have signed up for that at the start of the season?
Yes, the blowout sucked. Plenty of our squads prior to 2012 suffered blowout losses, many times in winning seasons. Let's give it a little patience and let this play out. 3-3, 1-1 in the division is right where I thought we'd be at this time, maybe even a little better after what I saw in preseason. How about you?
That said we needed a split going into last week. Now to me Sunday is a must win to have any hope at the division. If we can do that then a split with the Colts/Hawks and a split 9ers/Cows won't kill us and we can be in position to make a run at the playoffs down the stretch.
Fuck 2 superbowls in 7 years. I want consistency!
First of all, it's 2 Super Bowls in 11 years. We cannot pretend that the Coughlin era started in 2007.
More importantly, my fear is that if the status quo continues for another 5 years, then we will be proudly chanting "2 Super Bowls in 16 years!"
This is what I don't get. What leads you to believe that we will beat Dallas if we play to our ability? Have you watched the games? I hope we win as much as anyone, but if you watch football week in and week out, not just the Giants, I don't get how statements like that can be made.
Not picking on him, but did you see Foles run backwards faster than Jenkins run forward, or little Sproles breaking tackles?
That's a front office-excess loyalty/ bad drafting/key injury problem.
I don't see where the 16 games from last year need to be linked to this team. Two different teams, different OC.
That is why.
Ok. that's new.
And since when is this supposed to be a rebuilding year?
In the NFL you don't really rebuild IMO while you still have your QB. That definition is kind of loose IMO, but I don't think the Giants would classify themselves as rebuilding.
What do you consider rebuilding?
it's about average, maybe slightly above
The Eagles have 17.
The Cowboys have 17
those two teams are 5 - 1.
The Cardinals have 20 players on their 53-man roster from 2014
this type of turnover is not unique in this era.
just my opinion, but I feel like unless you replace your franchise QB, or try to, you're not really rebuilding.
Ok. that's new.
And since when is this supposed to be a rebuilding year?
In the NFL you don't really rebuild IMO while you still have your QB. That definition is kind of loose IMO, but I don't think the Giants would classify themselves as rebuilding.
Agree. Don't see why it matters if it's a different OC, or not. Same regime. Same GM. Same Head Coach. Same franchise QB. It's all under their umbrella.
If you don't think we're rebuilding the offense, I don't know what to tell you.
The first indicator is that there is a new offensive coordinator and brand new playbook.
Do Dallas or Philly have that?
What else were we going to do?
I can't believe some of you don't remember how broken this team was.
4 starters out of 11 is a HUGE turnover. Rebuilding.
Every team has holes they need to fill. The goal was clearly to get back into the playoffs this year. Ownership has made it pretty clear that so many of these non-playoff seasons are unacceptable. If we miss them again this year, heads are going to roll.
If we were going to rebuild and start over, Coughlin wouldn't still be here. They're trying to win now.
If you tell me replacing Diehl, Boothe, Snee, Brandon Myers, Cordle, Andre Brown, Brandon Jacobs, Bear Pascoe, even Nicks is a "rebuilding" then I disagree it's simply upgrading personnel.
Injuries are completely different. A rebuilding is planned IMO, not find a replacement for Jennings and Cruz on the fly.
The OC is a legit point if the offense isn't philosophically similar, but the Eagles replaced their OC and their QB in a total 180, didn't miss a beat, so it's not an excuse to me.
If you evaluate the coach, you don't do so by the different incarnations of their team. the Coach's 4 shutouts and whatever losses by 17 games or more is an indictment of Coughlin.
Plain and simple. The Super Bowls are a credit to him, but the wild swings in results are too much.
Fuck 2 superbowls in 7 years. I want consistency!
NOBODY! Fuck Cowher he's a has been, out of the game too long and his teams couldn't finish.
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This was not meant to be a rebuilding year. This was meant to be a year where we made the playoffs again.
That was the attitude of the front office....they were delusional to think this team was only a few players away from making the playoffs.....the OL was shot.....we had no TE.....we had no starting RB......our #1 receiver was no longer the player he once was....we had no linebackers, so we took a chance on a linebacker with a history of not staying on the field......we cut a safety to spite our face, and are now paying for it.....we have replaced DLmen with players that are not on the same level as the guys we let go.....this offense is a work in progress.....to think this is a playoff team, is a possibility, as a wild card, if all the other wild cards falter....but it would be a one and done playoff team.....over the course of the last two seasons, this team can't seem to beat teams with winning records.....how can you be a playoff team if you can't do that?
Unmotivated is the key. How on earth could the Giants players be unmotivated in the biggest game of their season thus far. This was a game that would have put this 2014 team on the map, and they go out there sleepwalking. Was it because the Eagles were wearing all black uniforms?