on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
You know the way some are trying to make political hay with this Â
In the area of West Africa that all the outbreaks have come from there has been a grand total of *k cases with 4K deaths from it. Where this came from is some of the worse fucking areas in the world for medical care, personal hygiene, and a 3rd world infrastructure to be able to deal with this and YET they only have 8K cases w/ a %50 death rate.
So stop with the political agenda driven BS about this and understand that we infinitely better prepared to address any kind of outbreak here in the States.
on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
How many US citizens have died from Ebola contacted here? ZERO. So explain how they did not do their job
that the problem with quarantining Africa re: entry here is that Europe etc will follow suit and then the infected will trickle into other 3 world countries making it impossible to trace them and spreading the epidemic dramatically. I see his point.
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
concerning and this might be the worst hospital in the US. I pray that these two nurses recover but the mistakes of this joke of a hospital have put the whole country at risk.
Also, clearly the CDC and government reponse to disease that you see in movies is pure fiction. There IS no response. There IS no emergency protocol, amazing.
How can healthcare workers who dealt with an Ebola patient just up and fly so short after the first patient died? Is there no protocol? No self monitoring and at least self restriction of travel?
If this disease becomes permanent in the US we are screwed. How could any reasonable person draw any other conclusion based on how the healthcare system has response do far.
Also, the CEO and chief medical officer of this hospital should quit their jobs and apologize to this country for the epic public health failure.
on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
the whole "restricting entry" notion is amazing. How is that really supposed to work?
Astounding failure to follow fairly simple protocols Â
Whoever runs this hospital should be removed immediately. Multiple failures to carry carry out standard, easily understood protocols for infection prevention and handling of bloodborne pathogens.
This really has nothing at all to do with CDC or any national health agency. It's a matter of incompetent hospital administration. Possibly also a lack of oversight, certification, and regulation by state gov but I'm not familiar enough with Texas' health care regs to say.
this shit is hard to get how does two trained medical personel get the virus if its hard to spread? Its most likely just me but evertime that DR from the CDC gets on I feel like he is lying or holding back all the facts. they still have not explained how the camara man working for NBC contracted the sickness.
the number one national security threat to the United States. Real leaders and statesmen, which this country can not seem to produce any longer, would be thinking outside the box and taking any possible action to secure this country.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
the argument against banning flights is like the argument in favor of ''letting a team score quickly so we can prevent them from running the ball on us''
THINK people, think
each case generates 2 on average, 6.5 days incubation, 70% death rate,
10,000 new cases per WEEK in west africa per WHO by end of month
the number one national security threat to the United States. Real leaders and statesmen, which this country can not seem to produce any longer, would be thinking outside the box and taking any possible action to secure this country.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
why the fuck are they letting people - who were directly exposed to Ebola - fly before the 21 day time frame? Dumb and Dumber running things in Dallas and Washington...
The World Health Org also says we've got 60 days to get this under some kind of control, they have no plan in place for anything of that potential magnitude.
I'm of the opinion that Ebola has already mutated to Airborne Transmission, at least in some cases. Such an announcement would set off widespread panic.
This thing is starting to resemble a bad Snake Plissken Movie.
the hospital did not follow procedures or didn't know what they were:
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DALLAS (AP) — A Liberian Ebola patient was left in an open area of a Dallas emergency room for hours, and nurses treating him worked without proper protective gear and faced constantly changing protocols, according to a statement released by the nation's largest nurses' union.
Among those nurses was Nina Pham, 26, who has been hospitalized since Friday after catching Ebola while caring for Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the virus in the U.S. He died last week.
Public-health authorities announced Wednesday that a second Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital health care worker had tested positive for Ebola, raising more questions about whether American hospitals and their staffs are adequately prepared to contain the virus.
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The CDC has said some breach of protocol probably sickened Pham, but National Nurses United contends the protocols were either non-existent or changed constantly after Duncan arrived in the emergency room by ambulance on Sept. 28.
the number one national security threat to the United States. Real leaders and statesmen, which this country can not seem to produce any longer, would be thinking outside the box and taking any possible action to secure this country.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
Just for fun, what would a "real measure" be?
I did not say I had the exact policy of the top of my head. Do you think the current policy is ok?
RE: oh, it only kills 50% of the people who get it Â
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Hey dipshit, put it into the perspective of where those cases are being handled at ...Seriously do you lack that much common sense to understand the difference between fatality rates in America, and a different area that has zero medical facilities, staff, or preventive strategies to address this?
This is why you catch so much shit on this board. It is your complete lack of common sense
the number one national security threat to the United States. Real leaders and statesmen, which this country can not seem to produce any longer, would be thinking outside the box and taking any possible action to secure this country.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
Just for fun, what would a "real measure" be?
I did not say I had the exact policy of the top of my head. Do you think the current policy is ok?
I don't really know what else we could do. But I'm also not here declaring that we're obviously doing something wrong and have no leadership either.
Well, it might help if the Senate would confirm the Surgeon General Â
It might help if the Sen Coburn would stop blocking funding for public health prevention and response to Ebola.
It might help if Congress restored funding for research of drugs for Ebola treatment and vaccinations, all of which was cut in the arbitrary Sequester.
Oh wait, Congress is still on its two-month recess because their careers are so much more important than the country's Public Health in the face of a potential pandemic/epidemic of a deadly disease. Not to mention that Flu and Enterovirus are no picnic...and potentially complicating factors.
Anyone want to talk about the huge hole in Texas' public health system, thanks to its rejection of the Medicaid expansion. You have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of working poor people who will not get prompt medical attention for fevers because they cannot afford an emergency room visit. So they'll be delaying seeking medical help and exposing others to disease while they are symptomatic, the time when Ebola is most contagious.
So they've got that going for them....which is nice!
RE: Astounding failure to follow fairly simple protocols Â
Whoever runs this hospital should be removed immediately. Multiple failures to carry carry out standard, easily understood protocols for infection prevention and handling of bloodborne pathogens.
This really has nothing at all to do with CDC or any national health agency. It's a matter of incompetent hospital administration. Possibly also a lack of oversight, certification, and regulation by state gov but I'm not familiar enough with Texas' health care regs to say.
Where I do fault the CDC is it's failure to assess the capabilities of these facilities to handle the situation. However, they are not the ones providing incompetent hospital administration, so you raise a fair point in that regard.
I am in favor of common sense precautions. In the beginning, I was one who said it wouldn't spread here. Of course I was thinking that we had the best medical staffs, trained for this type of thing. Turns out we don't. And we lack the political will to do what is necessary (stop the voluntary quarantines). You can have all the protocols you want, but you are depending on people to carry them out. People can be stupid, lazy, careless, selfish. The NBC Doctor who was under voluntary quarantine and went to a restaurant is a great example. What are these people thinking? They are thinking they are invincible. We think the US is invincible and it can't happen here. Unfortunately we were over confident. Ebola is pretty hard to get. But imaging if it wasn't. What would we do if we had some kind of virus that was this deadly that spread more easily? We'd be fucked.
I'm of the opinion that Ebola has already mutated to Airborne Transmission, at least in some cases. Such an announcement would set off widespread panic.
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Hey dipshit, put it into the perspective of where those cases are being handled at ...Seriously do you lack that much common sense to understand the difference between fatality rates in America, and a different area that has zero medical facilities, staff, or preventive strategies to address this?
This is why you catch so much shit on this board. It is your complete lack of common sense
Yes montana, read my post above. We have medical facilities and staff and preventive strategies. How's that going so far???
As I said, Ebola will not get to the point here as it has in Africa. But it should never have gotten to this point. And what if you were a healthcare worker, or some one who comes in contact with a large amount of people each day? Do you have a right to be concerned????
we were not as prepared across the country as we might have been. Other hospitals that treated the Drs who were infected did it seamlessly with no further issues. Now everyone is ramping up education and protocols and tho we were behind the curve in some cases, we will likely catch up. The operative word being "likely."
I love that idea. Count me in. Preferably before this weekend.
Unfortunately Ebola may already mutated to airborne transmission according to some people on the internet. Personally I think Jihadist ghosts are carrying Ebola and spreading it in in the US as a terrorist revenge plot. I have nothing to back that up with but hey why not say it? Right?
but hey, good spin doctors and all very PC
which is really what's most important. Glad you guys are getting on board with this.
but hey, good spin doctors and all very PC
How about.....alligatorpie?
In the area of West Africa that all the outbreaks have come from there has been a grand total of *k cases with 4K deaths from it. Where this came from is some of the worse fucking areas in the world for medical care, personal hygiene, and a 3rd world infrastructure to be able to deal with this and YET they only have 8K cases w/ a %50 death rate.
So stop with the political agenda driven BS about this and understand that we infinitely better prepared to address any kind of outbreak here in the States.
How many US citizens have died from Ebola contacted here? ZERO. So explain how they did not do their job
each case generates 2 new ones on average, 6 day average incubation rate.
do the math
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Also, clearly the CDC and government reponse to disease that you see in movies is pure fiction. There IS no response. There IS no emergency protocol, amazing.
How can healthcare workers who dealt with an Ebola patient just up and fly so short after the first patient died? Is there no protocol? No self monitoring and at least self restriction of travel?
If this disease becomes permanent in the US we are screwed. How could any reasonable person draw any other conclusion based on how the healthcare system has response do far.
Also, the CEO and chief medical officer of this hospital should quit their jobs and apologize to this country for the epic public health failure.
the whole "restricting entry" notion is amazing. How is that really supposed to work?
This really has nothing at all to do with CDC or any national health agency. It's a matter of incompetent hospital administration. Possibly also a lack of oversight, certification, and regulation by state gov but I'm not familiar enough with Texas' health care regs to say.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
Restricting entry would cause people to follow circuitous routes to the U.S., making it potentially much harder to track their progression.
But, hey, when you're on the side of buford, you must be correct...
THINK people, think
each case generates 2 on average, 6.5 days incubation, 70% death rate,
10,000 new cases per WEEK in west africa per WHO by end of month
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
Just for fun, what would a "real measure" be?
This is is a unique situation that requires new thinking and policy.
This is a public health crisis that is a national security risk to the United States. It should be viewed as such by those in power.
I'm of the opinion that Ebola has already mutated to Airborne Transmission, at least in some cases. Such an announcement would set off widespread panic.
This thing is starting to resemble a bad Snake Plissken Movie.
Among those nurses was Nina Pham, 26, who has been hospitalized since Friday after catching Ebola while caring for Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the virus in the U.S. He died last week.
Public-health authorities announced Wednesday that a second Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital health care worker had tested positive for Ebola, raising more questions about whether American hospitals and their staffs are adequately prepared to contain the virus.
Related Stories
The CDC has said some breach of protocol probably sickened Pham, but National Nurses United contends the protocols were either non-existent or changed constantly after Duncan arrived in the emergency room by ambulance on Sept. 28.
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the number one national security threat to the United States. Real leaders and statesmen, which this country can not seem to produce any longer, would be thinking outside the box and taking any possible action to secure this country.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
Just for fun, what would a "real measure" be?
I did not say I had the exact policy of the top of my head. Do you think the current policy is ok?
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Hey dipshit, put it into the perspective of where those cases are being handled at ...Seriously do you lack that much common sense to understand the difference between fatality rates in America, and a different area that has zero medical facilities, staff, or preventive strategies to address this?
This is why you catch so much shit on this board. It is your complete lack of common sense
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In comment 11921596 rocco8112 said:
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the number one national security threat to the United States. Real leaders and statesmen, which this country can not seem to produce any longer, would be thinking outside the box and taking any possible action to secure this country.
This is not happening at all. Any measure needed to secure the borders of the US and to ensure that real public health becomes a priority should be taken.
Problem is there is no leadership.
When this germ spreads to other cities around this country it will be game over. Basically everyone posting on this site has lived in a world where we have no reason to fear infectious disease, that world will no longer exist.
To me the repercussions of that fact have yet to be seen and I doubt anyone is qualified to even predict them.
One saving grace would have been that the US had a real response planned for this and a real push towards true public health. Based on this joke of a hospital and the CDC's actions so far that hope is fleeting.
Just for fun, what would a "real measure" be?
I did not say I had the exact policy of the top of my head. Do you think the current policy is ok?
I don't really know what else we could do. But I'm also not here declaring that we're obviously doing something wrong and have no leadership either.
It might help if the Sen Coburn would stop blocking funding for public health prevention and response to Ebola.
It might help if Congress restored funding for research of drugs for Ebola treatment and vaccinations, all of which was cut in the arbitrary Sequester.
Oh wait, Congress is still on its two-month recess because their careers are so much more important than the country's Public Health in the face of a potential pandemic/epidemic of a deadly disease. Not to mention that Flu and Enterovirus are no picnic...and potentially complicating factors.
Anyone want to talk about the huge hole in Texas' public health system, thanks to its rejection of the Medicaid expansion. You have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of working poor people who will not get prompt medical attention for fevers because they cannot afford an emergency room visit. So they'll be delaying seeking medical help and exposing others to disease while they are symptomatic, the time when Ebola is most contagious.
So they've got that going for them....which is nice!
This really has nothing at all to do with CDC or any national health agency. It's a matter of incompetent hospital administration. Possibly also a lack of oversight, certification, and regulation by state gov but I'm not familiar enough with Texas' health care regs to say.
Where I do fault the CDC is it's failure to assess the capabilities of these facilities to handle the situation. However, they are not the ones providing incompetent hospital administration, so you raise a fair point in that regard.
I am in favor of common sense precautions. In the beginning, I was one who said it wouldn't spread here. Of course I was thinking that we had the best medical staffs, trained for this type of thing. Turns out we don't. And we lack the political will to do what is necessary (stop the voluntary quarantines). You can have all the protocols you want, but you are depending on people to carry them out. People can be stupid, lazy, careless, selfish. The NBC Doctor who was under voluntary quarantine and went to a restaurant is a great example. What are these people thinking? They are thinking they are invincible. We think the US is invincible and it can't happen here. Unfortunately we were over confident. Ebola is pretty hard to get. But imaging if it wasn't. What would we do if we had some kind of virus that was this deadly that spread more easily? We'd be fucked.
Yeah, ok.
1. Infect easily (purely airborne transmission).
2. Kill large swaths of the population.
3. Don't confer a natural immunity after you have survived it
are unsuccessful viruses.
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I feel much better now....
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Hey dipshit, put it into the perspective of where those cases are being handled at ...Seriously do you lack that much common sense to understand the difference between fatality rates in America, and a different area that has zero medical facilities, staff, or preventive strategies to address this?
This is why you catch so much shit on this board. It is your complete lack of common sense
Yes montana, read my post above. We have medical facilities and staff and preventive strategies. How's that going so far???
As I said, Ebola will not get to the point here as it has in Africa. But it should never have gotten to this point. And what if you were a healthcare worker, or some one who comes in contact with a large amount of people each day? Do you have a right to be concerned????
Ironic
J Stew suggested last nite that we go ahead and build that fence down south, we just move it a little extra northward lol
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The other hospitals treating transported Ebola victims have NOT had any protocol breakdowns or transmissions.
I love that idea. Count me in. Preferably before this weekend.
Unfortunately Ebola may already mutated to airborne transmission according to some people on the internet. Personally I think Jihadist ghosts are carrying Ebola and spreading it in in the US as a terrorist revenge plot. I have nothing to back that up with but hey why not say it? Right?