we were not as prepared across the country as we might have been. Other hospitals that treated the Drs who were infected did it seamlessly with no further issues. Now everyone is ramping up education and protocols and tho we were behind the curve in some cases, we will likely catch up. The operative word being "likely."
Those patients were brought in isolation and it was known that they had Ebola. And they were in Emory, which is connected to the CDC and another pre-determined hospital that was prepared. We are not prepared to have people show up in ERs and have all the hospital workers be protected. Perhaps they need to have designated Ebola centers and once a patient is suspected of having it, transfer them there.
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Hey dipshit, put it into the perspective of where those cases are being handled at ...Seriously do you lack that much common sense to understand the difference between fatality rates in America, and a different area that has zero medical facilities, staff, or preventive strategies to address this?
This is why you catch so much shit on this board. It is your complete lack of common sense
Yes montana, read my post above. We have medical facilities and staff and preventive strategies. How's that going so far???
As I said, Ebola will not get to the point here as it has in Africa. But it should never have gotten to this point. And what if you were a healthcare worker, or some one who comes in contact with a large amount of people each day? Do you have a right to be concerned????
If you understand that then why would you be so asinine as to correlate the 50% death rate in a 3rd world area whose population is completely vulnerable to the disease, has no true medical facilities, and lacks the most basic hygienic facilities to combat this. To what can happen here in the States?
If you really understood anything, you would realize its quite amazing that the death rate is only %50 there and that there has been only 8K confirmed cases of it. But no instead, you are the only one on this thread who fails to comprehend the point that was made.
we have ONE facility with multiple Ebola cases. It's a rinky dink community hospital with apparently inept administration.
The other hospitals treating transported Ebola victims have NOT had any protocol breakdowns or transmissions.
See my post above. You can't compare facilities that took in patients that were already known to have Ebola and had procedures in place prior to those patients coming in. Also, those patients were not spewing bodily fluids as Duncan was when he entered the ER for the second time.
And the hospital is not a rinky dink community hospital. Obviously they have issue, but I doubt any average hospital in the US doesn't. And that is where these patients are going to show up.
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If you understand that then why would you be so asinine as to correlate the 50% death rate in a 3rd world area whose population is completely vulnerable to the disease, has no true medical facilities, and lacks the most basic hygienic facilities to combat this. To what can happen here in the States?
If you really understood anything, you would realize its quite amazing that the death rate is only %50 there and that there has been only 8K confirmed cases of it. But no instead, you are the only one on this thread who fails to comprehend the point that was made.
I understand your post perfectly. It's what you always do. Tell everyone they are stupid if they don't agree with you. Why you think saying a disease 'only' has a 50% kill rate is reassuring is beyond me. Do me a favor, you obviously don't care for my posts, just ignore me. I don't have any wish to communicate with you on any level.
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on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
How many US citizens have died from Ebola contacted here? ZERO. So explain how they did not do their job
Not do their job? How can you even begin to defend this. 2 trained nurses have become infected. Death is not the standard, infection is.
Funding is needed to provide hospital workers with training Â
on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
the whole "restricting entry" notion is amazing. How is that really supposed to work?
Ever hear of a passport that identifies where you have been?
The World Health Org also says we've got 60 days to get this under some kind of control, they have no plan in place for anything of that potential magnitude.
I'm of the opinion that Ebola has already mutated to Airborne Transmission, at least in some cases. Such an announcement would set off widespread panic.
This thing is starting to resemble a bad Snake Plissken Movie.
There are no bad Snake Plissken movies.
It sounds like the spread is more from not following proper medical protocols than the ability of the virus to easily transmit itself from person to person. That would make us victims not so much of the virus, as our own incompetence and indolence. None of that of course would matter if it got out into the general population, as it has in West Africa, where limited medical facilities inhibit whatever precautions can be taken even by conscientious medical professionals.
If it isn't Ebola, it will be another virus. Global population is headed for 9 billion by 2050. More and more people will be living closer and closer together. A new virus will emerge, or an old virus will mutate to become more easily transmissible, and then spread quickly in close quarters. That is what happened in this country in 1918 with the Influenza epidemic. The real "crash" will be biological, not economic, at least not initially. Some kind of pandemic is inevitable.
They are transferring one of the Dallas healtcare Â
In the area of West Africa that all the outbreaks have come from there has been a grand total of *k cases with 4K deaths from it. Where this came from is some of the worse fucking areas in the world for medical care, personal hygiene, and a 3rd world infrastructure to be able to deal with this and YET they only have 8K cases w/ a %50 death rate.
So stop with the political agenda driven BS about this and understand that we infinitely better prepared to address any kind of outbreak here in the States.
The mortality rate in Western Africa is closer to 80%.
Not sure that the rate is significantly less in a developed country; is there all that much data? We can surmise that it's lower because of sanitation, culture etc but it's all supposition. And it might reflect the incidence rate more than the mortality rate.
In this latest outbreak we've had how many people become infected and cared for here? 5 or 6? Two received experimental therapy and might be outliers. Duncan died, Pham, who knows.
There's so much to be concerned about even though there's nothing to panic about. It seems that if you're not going to be a chicken little, you are an ostrich. The truth is somewhere in between.
People are exploiting this to push a political agenda. Has nothing to do with health insurance, or the sequester, or xenophobia, or God punishing us for our sins.
In the area of West Africa that all the outbreaks have come from there has been a grand total of *k cases with 4K deaths from it. Where this came from is some of the worse fucking areas in the world for medical care, personal hygiene, and a 3rd world infrastructure to be able to deal with this and YET they only have 8K cases w/ a %50 death rate.
So stop with the political agenda driven BS about this and understand that we infinitely better prepared to address any kind of outbreak here in the States.
The mortality rate in Western Africa is closer to 80%.
Not sure that the rate is significantly less in a developed country; is there all that much data? We can surmise that it's lower because of sanitation, culture etc but it's all supposition. And it might reflect the incidence rate more than the mortality rate.
In this latest outbreak we've had how many people become infected and cared for here? 5 or 6? Two received experimental therapy and might be outliers. Duncan died, Pham, who knows.
There's so much to be concerned about even though there's nothing to panic about. It seems that if you're not going to be a chicken little, you are an ostrich. The truth is somewhere in between.
From the CDC website:
Quote:
Case counts updated in conjunction with the World Health Organization updates and are based on information reported by the Ministries of Health.
workers to Emory in Atlanta. Emory is one of four hospitals with a true isolation unit. The US has a total of 11 beds in true isolation units.
And just like The Walking Dead...it all starts in Georgia.
I've got my bunker (aka my basement) set up for the oncoming apocalypse! If anyone wants, you can always come to my basement (not in the same way that Cam would invite you though, so don't get too excited).
My numbers are from reading research literature so it's coming from scientists. WHO people and science people might be working off different databases.
Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
My numbers are from reading research literature so it's coming from scientists. WHO people and science people might be working off different databases.
The other question is is this an anomaly. When govt tells us that because protocols are set I'm place, we believe them because we assume people are not human. They don't mistake, they always follow instructions and follow them properly. They don't like the NBC crew, lie and sneak out of quarantine for a beer and a smoke.
I'd feel so much better if there was a vaccine or a drug or something that didn't involve the most flawed, but apparently central, element in the whole protection scheme...people. Because people are I her entry corrupt dumbasses. Even the good ones.
My numbers are from reading research literature so it's coming from scientists. WHO people and science people might be working off different databases.
That very well could be the case Bill
Just googling Ebola mortality rate brought up several stories with a con census 70%, so it looks like there's room for wobble in the numbers
Subways are likely not an issue. However, IMO. That's the softest part of what we are being told about Ebola. It's totally based on the fact that they haven't seen it...yet...as opposed to some tangible feature of the virus.
On another note...and Micko if you're out there, I'd appreciate your opinion...I just saw an interesting paper from 2005. They infected pigs with Ebola and housed them next to rhesus macaques, physically separated by a wire mesh fence. All of the macaques got Ebola with the primary tissue destruction site being the lungs. Conclusion is that there was airborne transmission from pigs to NHP. That's scary. However and quite interestingly, housing infected and non-infected macaques next to each but separated by fencing did not result in infection of the naive group. That suggested there wasn't airborne transmission among NHP.
IS that something that might be easily changed through mutation?
I take that back, but I've read 3 threads today from start to finish, and on two of them you called other posters idiots. You make salient points, let your arguments do the talking! ... but that's my two cents.
As for Ebola, this is scary stuff. I'm sorry to say,.
Funding for the CDC is pretty stable. There was a slight drop in FY13 due to the sequester. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the small decrease in spending in 2013 is not in any way responsible for any problems in dealing with ebola. Also, please note that the president's 2015 budget is allotting less money for the CDC as well.
US Global Health Program spending, 2001-2015:
Hey, look at that - spending rose dramatically in 2001-2010. Moving on.....According to that Kaiser report, "Pandemic Preparedness funding through the GHP account totaled $50 million". OK, so the feds spent $50m to prepare for a pandemic. Let's see what else they were spending money on:
Quote:
•Chronic disease prevention (obesity, heart disease, etc): fiscal 2014 budget approximately $1 billion, or just under 15% of the total budget.
•Birth defects: $132 million, or just about 2% of the total budget.
•Environmental health (asthma, safe water, etc): $179 million, 2.6% of total.
•Public health services (statistics, surveillance, etc): $482 million, 7% of total.
•Occupational safety (mostly research): $332 million, 5% of total.
Add all of that up and that's $2.275 billion dollars the CDC spent on things other than infectious diseases.....which is the entire reason the agency exists in the first place. $50 million for pandemic preparedness, $2.275 billion on all that other shit.
I take that back, but I've read 3 threads today from start to finish, and on two of them you called other posters idiots. You make salient points, let your arguments do the talking! ... but that's my two cents.
As for Ebola, this is scary stuff. I'm sorry to say,.
I've gotten better?
The problem is that, a lot of times the arguments put forth actually hurt us more than help us. Same with Ebola.
You thought people not getting vaccines was bad, this could rival that in terms of pretty bad side effects.
that it was skin being exposed to the bodily fluids (vomit and diarrhea) of Duncan when he first into the hospital. So unless every ER worker is going to wear full tyvek gear for all patients, I don't know how you avoid that. Hell, last time I was in the ER, I had to vomit a few times. Luckily they got me the little pan in time.
Anyone who wants to claim that a patient would be turned away because of no insurance when it was suspected they had Ebola is just crazy. We now have two healthcare workers who have contracted it from caring for this patient. And that might not be all.
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Day Cases
1 1
2 2
3 4
4 8
5 16
6 32
7 64
8 128
9 256
10 512
11 1,024
12 2,048
13 4,096
14 8,192
15 16,384
16 32,768
17 65,536
18 131,072
19 262,144
20 524,288
21 1,048,576
22 2,097,152
23 4,194,304
24 8,388,608
25 16,777,216
26 33,554,432
27 67,108,864
28 134,217,728
29 268,435,456
30 536,870,912
Those patients were brought in isolation and it was known that they had Ebola. And they were in Emory, which is connected to the CDC and another pre-determined hospital that was prepared. We are not prepared to have people show up in ERs and have all the hospital workers be protected. Perhaps they need to have designated Ebola centers and once a patient is suspected of having it, transfer them there.
1 Ebola Begets 2 Ebolas
Day -- Cases
1 -- 1
2 -- 2
3 -- 4
4 -- 8
5 -- 16
6 -- 32
7 -- 64
8 -- 128
9 -- 256
10 -- 512
11 -- 1,024
12 -- 2,048
13 -- 4,096
14 -- 8,192
15 -- 16,384
16 -- 32,768
17 -- 65,536
18 -- 131,072
19 -- 262,144
20 -- 524,288
21 -- 1,048,576
22 -- 2,097,152
23 -- 4,194,304
24 -- 8,388,608
25 -- 16,777,216
26 -- 33,554,432
27 -- 67,108,864
28 -- 134,217,728
29 -- 268,435,456
30 -- 536,870,912
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In comment 11921579 buford said:
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I feel much better now....
Face it, we are NOT prepared for this. And if the concern is for the people in W Africa will get to other 3rd world countries then shouldn't something to be done to prevent that?
It's not just this guy getting on a plane. All healthcare workers are at risk. Doctors without borders has has several get Ebola and die, and they were following strict protocol. Maybe the protocol isn't good enough anymore.
Hey dipshit, put it into the perspective of where those cases are being handled at ...Seriously do you lack that much common sense to understand the difference between fatality rates in America, and a different area that has zero medical facilities, staff, or preventive strategies to address this?
This is why you catch so much shit on this board. It is your complete lack of common sense
Yes montana, read my post above. We have medical facilities and staff and preventive strategies. How's that going so far???
As I said, Ebola will not get to the point here as it has in Africa. But it should never have gotten to this point. And what if you were a healthcare worker, or some one who comes in contact with a large amount of people each day? Do you have a right to be concerned????
If you understand that then why would you be so asinine as to correlate the 50% death rate in a 3rd world area whose population is completely vulnerable to the disease, has no true medical facilities, and lacks the most basic hygienic facilities to combat this. To what can happen here in the States?
If you really understood anything, you would realize its quite amazing that the death rate is only %50 there and that there has been only 8K confirmed cases of it. But no instead, you are the only one on this thread who fails to comprehend the point that was made.
The other hospitals treating transported Ebola victims have NOT had any protocol breakdowns or transmissions.
See my post above. You can't compare facilities that took in patients that were already known to have Ebola and had procedures in place prior to those patients coming in. Also, those patients were not spewing bodily fluids as Duncan was when he entered the ER for the second time.
And the hospital is not a rinky dink community hospital. Obviously they have issue, but I doubt any average hospital in the US doesn't. And that is where these patients are going to show up.
If you understand that then why would you be so asinine as to correlate the 50% death rate in a 3rd world area whose population is completely vulnerable to the disease, has no true medical facilities, and lacks the most basic hygienic facilities to combat this. To what can happen here in the States?
If you really understood anything, you would realize its quite amazing that the death rate is only %50 there and that there has been only 8K confirmed cases of it. But no instead, you are the only one on this thread who fails to comprehend the point that was made.
I understand your post perfectly. It's what you always do. Tell everyone they are stupid if they don't agree with you. Why you think saying a disease 'only' has a 50% kill rate is reassuring is beyond me. Do me a favor, you obviously don't care for my posts, just ignore me. I don't have any wish to communicate with you on any level.
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on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
How many US citizens have died from Ebola contacted here? ZERO. So explain how they did not do their job
Not do their job? How can you even begin to defend this. 2 trained nurses have become infected. Death is not the standard, infection is.
You can't burn down Dallas. I fucking love Dallas.
Quote:
on so many fronts. The CDC saying "in hindsight..." Really? Really? You are the idiots who were so arrogant in proclaiming the ability to control this should it get into this country. Yet on the first opportunity, we now have 2 people who have contracted the virus by caring for 1 victim. I'm sorry, but how the Government did not do its job and restrict entry into the U.S. by anyone who had been in any of the hot zones is infuriating. Another failure by the institution whose first and most important job is to protect its citizens.
the whole "restricting entry" notion is amazing. How is that really supposed to work?
Ever hear of a passport that identifies where you have been?
I'm of the opinion that Ebola has already mutated to Airborne Transmission, at least in some cases. Such an announcement would set off widespread panic.
This thing is starting to resemble a bad Snake Plissken Movie.
There are no bad Snake Plissken movies.
It sounds like the spread is more from not following proper medical protocols than the ability of the virus to easily transmit itself from person to person. That would make us victims not so much of the virus, as our own incompetence and indolence. None of that of course would matter if it got out into the general population, as it has in West Africa, where limited medical facilities inhibit whatever precautions can be taken even by conscientious medical professionals.
If it isn't Ebola, it will be another virus. Global population is headed for 9 billion by 2050. More and more people will be living closer and closer together. A new virus will emerge, or an old virus will mutate to become more easily transmissible, and then spread quickly in close quarters. That is what happened in this country in 1918 with the Influenza epidemic. The real "crash" will be biological, not economic, at least not initially. Some kind of pandemic is inevitable.
Day Cases
1 1
2 2
3 4
4 8
5 16
6 32
7 64
8 128
9 256
10 512
11 1,024
12 2,048
13 4,096
14 8,192
15 16,384
16 32,768
17 65,536
18 131,072
19 262,144
20 524,288
21 1,048,576
22 2,097,152
23 4,194,304
24 8,388,608
25 16,777,216
26 33,554,432
27 67,108,864
28 134,217,728
29 268,435,456
30 536,870,912
and this is how hospitals treat uninsured patients
he went to the hospital the first time they saw he did not have health insurance and they gave him some antibiotics and sent him home
the second time he waited in the emergency room unattended
only when they realized he had ebola did they give him the medical attention he required
You can't burn down Dallas. I fucking love Dallas.
We'll wait until you're not there. Life is full of little disappointments. Hope you are well.
Can one of you statisticions please confirm my math; it may be longer than 180 days.
I need to get my affairs in order and whether I have 30, 180 or more days is relevant.
In the area of West Africa that all the outbreaks have come from there has been a grand total of *k cases with 4K deaths from it. Where this came from is some of the worse fucking areas in the world for medical care, personal hygiene, and a 3rd world infrastructure to be able to deal with this and YET they only have 8K cases w/ a %50 death rate.
So stop with the political agenda driven BS about this and understand that we infinitely better prepared to address any kind of outbreak here in the States.
The mortality rate in Western Africa is closer to 80%.
Not sure that the rate is significantly less in a developed country; is there all that much data? We can surmise that it's lower because of sanitation, culture etc but it's all supposition. And it might reflect the incidence rate more than the mortality rate.
In this latest outbreak we've had how many people become infected and cared for here? 5 or 6? Two received experimental therapy and might be outliers. Duncan died, Pham, who knows.
There's so much to be concerned about even though there's nothing to panic about. It seems that if you're not going to be a chicken little, you are an ostrich. The truth is somewhere in between.
Because it fits a political driven agenda argument. This thread is a litmus test for the dunderheads
People are exploiting this to push a political agenda. Has nothing to do with health insurance, or the sequester, or xenophobia, or God punishing us for our sins.
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Is laughable.
In the area of West Africa that all the outbreaks have come from there has been a grand total of *k cases with 4K deaths from it. Where this came from is some of the worse fucking areas in the world for medical care, personal hygiene, and a 3rd world infrastructure to be able to deal with this and YET they only have 8K cases w/ a %50 death rate.
So stop with the political agenda driven BS about this and understand that we infinitely better prepared to address any kind of outbreak here in the States.
The mortality rate in Western Africa is closer to 80%.
Not sure that the rate is significantly less in a developed country; is there all that much data? We can surmise that it's lower because of sanitation, culture etc but it's all supposition. And it might reflect the incidence rate more than the mortality rate.
In this latest outbreak we've had how many people become infected and cared for here? 5 or 6? Two received experimental therapy and might be outliers. Duncan died, Pham, who knows.
There's so much to be concerned about even though there's nothing to panic about. It seems that if you're not going to be a chicken little, you are an ostrich. The truth is somewhere in between.
From the CDC website:
As of October 8, 2014
(Updated October 10, 2014)
Total Cases: 8400
Laboratory-Confirmed Cases: 4656
Total Deaths: 4033
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And just like The Walking Dead...it all starts in Georgia.
I've got my bunker (aka my basement) set up for the oncoming apocalypse! If anyone wants, you can always come to my basement (not in the same way that Cam would invite you though, so don't get too excited).
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As I have a family member working there (not in administration) I can confirm it's not a rinky dink community hospital.
Likely, though not certain.
That very well could be the case Bill
The other question is is this an anomaly. When govt tells us that because protocols are set I'm place, we believe them because we assume people are not human. They don't mistake, they always follow instructions and follow them properly. They don't like the NBC crew, lie and sneak out of quarantine for a beer and a smoke.
I'd feel so much better if there was a vaccine or a drug or something that didn't involve the most flawed, but apparently central, element in the whole protection scheme...people. Because people are I her entry corrupt dumbasses. Even the good ones.
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My numbers are from reading research literature so it's coming from scientists. WHO people and science people might be working off different databases.
That very well could be the case Bill
Just googling Ebola mortality rate brought up several stories with a con census 70%, so it looks like there's room for wobble in the numbers
One thing we don't know about is how mass hysteria and panic will play into this.
Just wait until the infected hit the subway systems of a crowded city. All bets are off at that point.
On another note...and Micko if you're out there, I'd appreciate your opinion...I just saw an interesting paper from 2005. They infected pigs with Ebola and housed them next to rhesus macaques, physically separated by a wire mesh fence. All of the macaques got Ebola with the primary tissue destruction site being the lungs. Conclusion is that there was airborne transmission from pigs to NHP. That's scary. However and quite interestingly, housing infected and non-infected macaques next to each but separated by fencing did not result in infection of the naive group. That suggested there wasn't airborne transmission among NHP.
IS that something that might be easily changed through mutation?
And I appreciate your concern.
You can place it alongside the others.
As for Ebola, this is scary stuff. I'm sorry to say,.
Funding for the CDC is pretty stable. There was a slight drop in FY13 due to the sequester. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the small decrease in spending in 2013 is not in any way responsible for any problems in dealing with ebola. Also, please note that the president's 2015 budget is allotting less money for the CDC as well.
US Global Health Program spending, 2001-2015:
Hey, look at that - spending rose dramatically in 2001-2010. Moving on.....According to that Kaiser report, "Pandemic Preparedness funding through the GHP account totaled $50 million". OK, so the feds spent $50m to prepare for a pandemic. Let's see what else they were spending money on:
•Chronic disease prevention (obesity, heart disease, etc): fiscal 2014 budget approximately $1 billion, or just under 15% of the total budget.
•Birth defects: $132 million, or just about 2% of the total budget.
•Environmental health (asthma, safe water, etc): $179 million, 2.6% of total.
•Injury prevention (domestic violence, brain injury, etc): $150 million, 2.2% of total.
•Public health services (statistics, surveillance, etc): $482 million, 7% of total.
•Occupational safety (mostly research): $332 million, 5% of total.
Add all of that up and that's $2.275 billion dollars the CDC spent on things other than infectious diseases.....which is the entire reason the agency exists in the first place. $50 million for pandemic preparedness, $2.275 billion on all that other shit.
As for Ebola, this is scary stuff. I'm sorry to say,.
I've gotten better?
The problem is that, a lot of times the arguments put forth actually hurt us more than help us. Same with Ebola.
You thought people not getting vaccines was bad, this could rival that in terms of pretty bad side effects.
Anyone who wants to claim that a patient would be turned away because of no insurance when it was suspected they had Ebola is just crazy. We now have two healthcare workers who have contracted it from caring for this patient. And that might not be all.
If this nurse survives, some kind of punitive action needs to be taken. I really think was negligence of the worst kind; wanton disregard.