So much going on. Hurtful loss and injuries. Wanted to take a step back and assess the roster and our chances moving forward.
QB - (B) Manning is healthy. He was showing some good stuff, but really looked bad vs. Philly. This is a key week for him. Nassib looks OK in his limited time.
RB - (C-B) Down a man but he is returning. Jennings looked good. Vet thin, Giants need him back. Hopefully, Williams and Hillis can do the job until then.
WR - (B) Randall, Beckham, and Parker could be OK. Ogletree is not horrible. Washington is buried - not sure why. Can't afford another injury. A lot riding on OBJ but I think he is up to it.
TE - (B) Pretty healthy and decent contribution. Fells and Donnell are OK and even Robinson has done a little.
OL - (C) Down a man but he is returning. Others are healthy. Good at times bad at times. Schwartz returning should help. It is likely that he will replace the weakest link. This unit could get better.
DL - (B) Healthy. DTs and DTs have been solid if unspectacular. Would like to see more Moore and a little Bromley against passing teams.
LB - (B) was down two now returning to health. Lets see if Beason can string together a couple games. Kennard could be a help. McClain and Williams have been better than average.
CB - (A) Down two but still OK if DRC can play well. DRC and Prince are solid. Pray for health of DRC. Wonder why Hosely gets nod over Bowman. Reserve Fenner showed some potential.
S - (C) Down two (Hill and Taylor) Giants need to find someone to play with Rolle. Demps and Brown have been shakey at best. Is Berle help? Will Demps or Brown improve?
Overall - Giants still have some good players and some guys are coming back that could help. Giants had depth and now are thin. at RB, WR, CB, and S. IMO The Giants can survive what has happened so far, but cannot afford many more injuries if they are going to have a "plus" season. Still have some depth and skill on DL. Return of JS will leave Giants with OK depth on OL.
A win this week would be absolutely HUGE! Unfortunately, I expect us to play well, but lose. Could be the beginning of a downhill slide, or the beginning of a determined charge. Hopefully the Cowboys are reading their clippings.
What exactly was he supposed to do, grow wings and fly around to avoid the rush?
I thought he threw the ball really well, when given time, which was hardly ever on that night.
I actually credit Eli for not turning the ball over in such a horrible display by his line.
To me, it was either guys not open when he had time (which was extremely, extremely rare on Sunday), or he simply had zero time to make a play.
And of course when there was any positive play, it was usually backed up by a penalty.
Eli has always benefited from playing behind pretty good lines and having time to throw. Sunday was a jail break.
Hosely was the backup Nickelback. Bowman backs up the outside CBs and has played in place of DRC.
I still feel like the Giants are a New York team.
Having said that, the games and team is based in New Jersey.
So I think the state of the Giants is both New York and New Jersey IMO.
Pressure up the middle works against Eli cause he is too slow to escape it. Teams know that, and with less than stellar players in the middle of the o-line, its a problem.
RE Manning:
Manning had several times when he held the ball too long. He started to panic before he needed to a couple times as well. It looked like he lost confidence. He did have time to throw quick slants and outs, but either they were not called, the receivers were covered, or he didn't trust himself to let it go. Personally, think he may have been trying too hard not to turn the ball over.
Also you can't expect a lot of time when they do that and either Eli was holding the ball or nobody was open. very bad day for the men in Blue. Lets all hope for better this week. Very big game.
I'll go with LT's grade of SS.
I'll go with LT's grade of SS.
But I don't think that they've invented the offense yet where the quarterback can be effective with one second to throw.
Exactly. Really good offenses will do this to them...my assessment is the Eagles blitz and keep their fingers crossed.
We aren't there as an offense......let's see how we do in Week 16 versus them.
the Giants have a chance to win.
2nd.
Manning does not move well in the pocket. And if he can't get off his first read the ball becomes a hot potato and Manning folds quickly.
3rd.
We need more passes in the flat to our RB's to loosen up the defenses. Eagles constantly had two or three guys open underneath and we had no one to throw to. If Williams can't catch play Cox because this offense is once again predictable if the running game is off and the offense line protection isn't there.
2nd.
Manning does not move well in the pocket. And if he can't get off his first read the ball becomes a hot potato and Manning folds quickly.
3rd.
We need more passes in the flat to our RB's to loosen up the defenses. Eagles constantly had two or three guys open underneath and we had no one to throw to. If Williams can't catch play Cox because this offense is once again predictable if the running game is off and the offense line protection isn't there.
Manning has great pocket awareness. No, he's not going to outrun anybody. But he's very good in the pocket. Of course, when there's 3 defenders rushing him, it looks to be the opposite
We were getting good secondary play but even that is eroding.
Toss in the OL and no wide threat at RB........
Yes, because he had so much time to set up in the pocket and just missed all those open plays ;). I don't think he had a clean pocket even 1 time in that game. And stop with Nassib. He came in in garbage time and even he got sacked twice
Outside of the first two weeks, Eli has looked sharper than ever, even against the Eagles, he minimized the mistakes. He held the ball on a couple of plays too long, but it wasn't his fault - he was waiting for somebody to get free.
That display by the OL has to be one of the worst I've seen as a fan by a giants team. It reminded me of the Bucs in their first few years where teams would jailbreak them constantly.
about the execution of our O line, you'd be in favor of it?
Yet back in NJ our team is hurt, down, but not out and surely will be out for blood. This game will dictate our season and I don't think the Giants are going to let it end here. Dallas is going to have a tough time with us.
PUT McCLAIN BACK IN THERE YOU OLD GEEZER
Key week for him to put it behind him and not start a trend towards the shell shocked player he was last year.