Wilson Baltimore Sun:
"Any time you have a phenomenal talent like Will Hill on your team, he definitely can help your defense, whether it be coming up and supporting in the run game or basically communicating in the back end," Pro Bowl outside linebacker Terrell Suggs said. "All that’s pretty big. We get another big safety back in the lineup.
"Everybody knows how we like our safeties around here. It’s going to be pretty good to actually get him out there in that Ravens black and see what he can do."
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If that's in reference to me (not sure if it is) I would welcome an "I told you so." I've been pretty straight forward with my opinion on him (he shouldn't have been cut) and if it indeed happens again, then I and other people who wanted to keep him would have it coming.
I wish the guy was still here more than anything but how many more chances do you give him?
I hate that the Giants had to do what they did but he really gave them no choice.
Are you watching what's happening around this league in just this year alone? Its been an absolutely disaster with arrests from these shitty human beings. I'd rather root for what we have than guys like Will Hill.
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but I look forward to saying 'I told you so' when he fucks up and gets suspended again
If that's in reference to me (not sure if it is) I would welcome an "I told you so." I've been pretty straight forward with my opinion on him (he shouldn't have been cut) and if it indeed happens again, then I and other people who wanted to keep him would have it coming.
not solely to you, but to all who still criticize the decision to cut him. I've always said he was given plenty of chances and blew them all.
I'm bummed too, loved him on the field, but the Giants have to hold the line with their standards and rules, can't selectively apply them based on talent
I fail to see what it accomplished.
And please spare me the "you cant rely on him" argument. Can we rely on any safety on this team not named Rolle?
On top of it we hold on to Hosely, makes no sense
Are you watching what's happening around this league in just this year alone? Its been an absolutely disaster with arrests from these shitty human beings. I'd rather root for what we have than guys like Will Hill.
No offense, but the Madden analogy is pretty dumb here, man. That kind've talk should be reserved for people who think you can trade for a star player and have him play exceptional right away, or people who suggest moving a cornerback to WR or something. Will Hill seems to be a pretty crappy guy, but he was suspended for marijuana use... nothing remotely close to "what's happened around the league this year alone."
The thing that bothered me about it was that the league deemed his offense worthy of a six game suspension. He wasn't going to get away with anything. In fact, he ended up losing a pretty hefty portion of a salary that, by NFL standards, is very marginal. My point being, it's not like this was some 6 million dollar safety that we couldn't afford to keep around in lieu of other safeties. Will Hill was being paid as a backup and this gave us room to maneuver and sign depth at the position should he fuck up again. So the argument that "we couldn't count on him" was dumb because, at his salary, we didn't have to "count on him." We could have had tremendous depth at the position, in fact.
Your point is totally fair that not punishing him does take away from a culture of accountability... but he was punished. for more than 1/3 of the season. It'd be like suggesting an MLB team cut a very cheap, very good player for a 60 game suspension for steroids... except this isn't steroids. It's weed. I'm not referring to you, but I have heard plenty of people rant about how "it's not about the weed! It's about accountability." I think that is an ignorant stance. Just ignoring the offense is ridiculous, IMO.
I have watched Stevie Brown and Quentin Demps get torched far too often for six games. I would've loved to have that issue over with against Dallas. It's not.
You need to establish accountability, cut your losses, and move on for better or worse. You telling me we would be better with him right now doesn't shed light on anything any of us didn't already know.
Why is it I'm not shocked at all that the point of cutting Hill completely flies over FEK's head?
You need to establish accountability, cut your losses, and move on for better or worse. You telling me we would be better with him right now doesn't shed light on anything any of us didn't already know.
Hey man, as mfsd said... I will welcome an "I told you so" with open arms if it happens. But the kid just turned 24 this March. I disagree vehemently with giving up on him and his incredibly low salary so early in the game... keep in mind, he was almost in a position to have his suspension overturned, or at least lessened.
While the rest of the league is easing up on him and players like him, we got tough on one very talented player.
It was a bad decision in my opinion. We'll see what the future proves regarding that opinion.
I disagree. While the house thing didn't help his case, ultimately he broke his promise to the team that he was going to stay out of trouble. The risk of a yearlong suspension and the fact that he had already gotten a second and third chance from the Giants is what punched his ticket out of town. And, frankly, I expect that year-long suspension to come on down by next season.
Every game he plays for us we get a near pro-bowl level of ability for a UDFA price tag. Its like turning down free money.
If I told you we could have Eric Weddle play for us against Dallas this week, would you say no?
This isn't a told you so scenario as the Giants didn't cut a player who they thought wasn't good who ended up being great on another team. They were well aware of his talent and chose to get rid of him after several chances. That can only be seen as a mistake if you can fully ignore the premise of accountability. Nothing more really needs to be said.
He was lot a locker room cancer.... Decisions he made were only a cancer to himself.
So yes it was dumb to do- and looks worse as our 2nd safety is he worst in the nfl
why would you include David Wilson in this? David and the Giants had no other choice.
On the other side of the coin, I do agree with you in a sense that the Giants don't BRING IN young, exceptional talent because of prior personal issues, when a change of scenery might be beneficial to both parties...like a Will Hill and Baltimore. Rolando McClain comes to mind, but so many others...Stephen Hill, LaMichael James, etc...maybe they had bad coaches or weren't right for the scheme or had bad QBs throwing the ball to them. I always say, being an athlete is one thing...but being at the right place at the right time, in the right situation could be the difference between a HOF career or being out of the league in 3 years.
Sure, he can play, but his was given chances time and time and time again.....
I teach my managers the commit or quit method of evaluating an employee.
If they are worth keeping commit to helping them become a valued employee.
If there comes a point where this is no longer possible, it's time to quit trying.
There is talent gap between the Giants and the better teams in the league, this makes it more difficult to overcome and requires the Giants to either over spend for veterans in free agency or devote premium draft selections to positions which could have been a strength.
Lots of other examples as well
And the post when he fucks up again will be the next post
I want people to gloat in my face if I'm wrong. I hope I am completely wrong.
But cutting him was a mistake. He wasn't toxic, his offense wasn't egregious. I do understand that the Coach's and Team's word means nothing if we didn't cut him, and that's the most compelling argument for cutting him (and not a minor one).
But having said that, isn't the point to win football games? Will Hill on this team was a net positive, even with that baggage.
Yes he can play but he's more likely to be suspended again by the league if not for Weed then for something else that's incredibly easy to avoid but because he's effing moron, he didn't.
Trying to frame the decision to release Hill without acknowledging that is intellectually dishonest.
This guy makes Hill look like a choirboy. The 49ers are, like the Giants, one of the most respected franchises. Their reaction to all this, with fan support was to ask the league to shorten his suspension and to allow him to attend team meetings.
So what am I missing? Is it just because of Coughlin that in disputes between management and players, a majority here always supports management against the player every time?
missed 4 games in 2013 - suspension
missed 6 games in 2014 - suspension
his NFL career
He has played 20 NFL games and been suspended for 14
You cant keep that player Move on