NGT: Returning to practice Will Hill shows plenty of energy

times you dump her and she is going out with a new dude and you cry yourself to sleep for not giving her 1 more chance

Was making the minimum with the Giants and this was his final year. Cutting him accomplished nothing, as he was signed by another NFL team before he even served one game of his suspension.

When you have a player making the minimum, you could have used him and just not offered him a new deal at the end of the season.

If anything, a lot of teams would have not offered 2015 FA Hill a big contract. We could have had Rolle and Hill at safety, week 7, at 3 and 3...

Like I said when the Giants cut him, no one was punished except the fans. Terrible decision.

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Throw in his not playing in 2011 because the NFL as a whole did not want him. He has played 20 NFL games and been suspended for 14 You cant keep that player Move on

How many games has Cooper Taylor played?

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In comment 11922583 stretch234 said: Quote: Throw in his not playing in 2011 because the NFL as a whole did not want him. He has played 20 NFL games and been suspended for 14 You cant keep that player Move on How many games has Cooper Taylor played?

For legitimate reasons, not being a dumbass.

Not to mention one player is much much better than the other.

In comment 11922431 Reese's Pieces said:

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driving and misses 5 games attending rehab. Then he is arrested for possession of marijuana and other illegal drugs. At his house party this summer the police come in response to gunshots being heard. They find Smith with stab wounds. The also search his house and charge him with felonious possession of assault weapons. He is currently sitting out a nine game suspension. This guy makes Hill look like a choirboy. The 49ers are, like the Giants, one of the most respected franchises. Their reaction to all this, with fan support was to ask the league to shorten his suspension and to allow him to attend team meetings.

All of these events did take place, but not in the time frame you mention.

First DUI shortly after the Giants played in their last super bowl, in South Beach. The house party fiasco took place November of that year (2012). The DUI crash into a tree took place in September of 2013.

He went to rehab voluntarily, missed 5 games and many thought he would get those back as "time served". Goodell claimed he would take that into consideration but reneged on the deal, probably after the LAX incident and/or just being a bastard.

9 games this year + 5 games last year = 14 games, just about a full regular season. Initial gut feeling before the LAX incident would be a few game suspension tops.

Based on precedents alone, he got hit with a harder suspension than others. I won't attempt to name them all, but he's easily being punished harder than Donte Stallworth was for DUI manslaughter.

The 49ers stuck with him because he might be the best player on the team. Ahmad Brooks in the exact same scenario I could see being released, even as good as he is.

If it were JPP in his prime, the Giants would do the same, keep the guy.

The difference with Will Hill is he was repeatedly hit with suspensions (three?), whereas Aldon Smith had a lot of backlogged b.s. issues finally come to a head in the legal system.

If Smith got popped for a suspension after the first DUI, or the illegal weapons charge, and still did what he did afterwards, I think the 49ers take a very different tune with him. Going forward I'd imagine he's on a very tight leash.

The reality is as long as you're not actually missing the games, the crimes are "ok" in many teams' books.

I think that's ultimately what did Hill in.

Three suspensions in three years - how do you build a team with that penciled in as someone who's supposed to anchor the defense?

In comment 11922624 Greg from LI said:

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Three suspensions in three years - how do you build a team with that penciled in as someone who's supposed to anchor the defense?

Exactly. I think Hill has Pro Bowl potential, but he's completely unreliable. You'd need a starting quality backup behind him - which Stevie Brown isn't.

It's lilke relying on Jon Beason to stay healthy for 16 games. That's working out well for us.

Treat him as the 53rd player on your roster and go about your business as you normally would.

Can anyone honestly tell me they are happy to have Hosley on the roster over Hill?

One minute he is a Pro Bowler but he should be treated as the 53rd man on the roster?

Will Hill is a smoking hot chick. (all pro safety in football terms). As great as it is to show off the hot chick and fuck her brains out, if the bitch keeps cheating on you, it's over, no explanations necessary. You can't trust her, don't care how hot she is. At some point you'll find a good looking girl elsewhere that you can trust and will be even better since you can rely on them.

may be one of the winningest franchises in terms of Super Bowls, but please spare the respected line when it comes to ethics.

The Niners might have been the most unethical franchise in football throughout their run in the 80's and extended into the 90's. They lied, cheated, broke league rules, and broke some federal rules too (at least Dibartolo did).

I have little respect for that franchise - one currently coached by one of the biggest douches in NFL lore.

I wouldn't trade a single ring with SF if it meant we would look like jackasses.

So, if you think SF is respectable, you probably do think cutting Will Hill is a mistake. I'm not glad we cut him, but it was much deserved.

no thanks.

for the first time in 10 years because this Board is overrun with morons who can simultaneously maintain that LT was the greatest player of all time and that we should cut Will Hill for smoking pot.

he's probably on some kind of drug.

its as if those in favor of keeping him think the rest of us don't think Will Hill is/was any good...

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for the first time in 10 years because this Board is overrun with morons who can simultaneously maintain that LT was the greatest player of all time and that we should cut Will Hill for smoking pot.

A)Will Hill isn't a pimple on LT's ass as a player, so your point is already a joke

B)How many times was LT suspended? How many games did he cost the team?

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One minute he is a Pro Bowler but he should be treated as the 53rd man on the roster?

Please tell me you are not this dense

why I should give up the smoking hot chick for the good looking girl? So she cheats a little....but she's smokin'!

And now she wants a 3 some....with another girl...who's smokin", too.....

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its as if those in favor of keeping him think the rest of us don't think Will Hill is/was any good...

Where are you getting this from?

I don't see that at all

I see the argument as we all agree he is good but some think that his rock bottom contract makes it worthwhile to hold onto him, others think that unreliability trumps all.

that's the whole point. This team runs a very specific way when it comes to conduct. There are times where they bend, like they did several times already for Hill, but they generally don't break.

My overall point is that if you are signing up to be a Giants fan, and enjoyed those SB trophies, then you also need to buy into the fact that they hold their players accountable for their actions.

Aldon Smith still playing for the 49ers has nothing to do with the Giants.

Lastly, its extremely likely that a lot went on behind closed doors that we know nothing about. It's been leaked as such IIRC as well. Meaning, Hill either broke additional rules or didnt hold up his end to whatever was agreed upon when the took him back the last time.

accomplishes this season with the Ravens.

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why I should give up the smoking hot chick for the good looking girl? So she cheats a little....but she's smokin'! And now she wants a 3 some....with another girl...who's smokin", too.....

Self-respect?

Any guy with a functioning penis obviously *wants* to keep fucking the smoking hot chick. This is a given.

But any guy with a hint of self-respect to go along with his functioning penis, after the first time, sure, let's keep fucking her. After the 2nd time, if you have self respect, you tell the cheating slut to enjoy being a cheating slut on someone else's dime. If you're still keeping her around after the 2nd or third time and think it won't happen, you're a fucking fool.


Hill was a beast on the field. He's also completely unreliable. Your heart says keep fucking the smoking hot chick but your head should tell you to ditch the cheating slut yesterday.

if that bitch gives you herpes thanks to her cheating.....

that's a tired strawman that ignores the history of his troubles, which is what got him cut. The totality, the overall pattern of not being able to trust and rely on him.

people just can't get over.

we broke up, it was mutual or you can even say we (the Giants) dumped him, move on.

who are character risks who continue the string of behavior and end up out of the league. Sure, Will Hill's only 24 or so, but the guy has continually been kept off the field everywhere he's been.

At some point, if he doesn't get it, you have to cut ties.

You know, some of the people railing against Hill getting cut would probably be people also seething mad if the giants continued to keep him around and he did something like run over a person while high or drunk.

Frankly, the Giants gave Hill more than enough chances. In the end you move on, because guys like Hill rarely do and waiting or expecting him to doesn't happen.

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that's a tired strawman that ignores the history of his troubles, which is what got him cut. The totality, the overall pattern of not being able to trust and rely on him.

This, END of story!

Remember while you do that, keep him for his jack ass behavior, you have to cut another player who can contribute.

The NFL and its teams are now under more scrutiny than ever for poor behavior and stupidity, and almost anything in terms of leaks is reaching the public. Public outcry begins, media amplifies it, the individual is torn down and thrown out the door. There's literally nowhere to hide like there was in the 80s, LT's mistakes and patterns of behavior could be swept under the rug.

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Remember while you do that, keep him for his jack ass behavior, you have to cut another player who can contribute.

I think the team could get by without the services of Chandler Fenner

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In comment 11922882 JOrthman said: Quote: Remember while you do that, keep him for his jack ass behavior, you have to cut another player who can contribute. I think the team could get by without the services of Chandler Fenner

Who says it would of been Fenner? That is a roster decision that would of had to have been made at the beginning of the season. It could of been at the expense of a WR or another position. It may have made the cut or expose another player to waivers they may not get back.

suspended players do not take up a roster spot

No decision would have to be made at the beginning of the season

long before his return. You still have to decide who your going to expose to waivers. Your only saying Fenner know cause he's bounced back and forth from waivers recently, but that is hindsight. If they decided to keep Hill, you don't know if they would of made the same moves.

not at all.

We could have not cut him, put him on the suspended list and then when the suspension was up decided if we wanted to make room for him or just cut him at that point.

We held all the cards and threw them away.

He was a player that was signed for basically no money. He was an added bonus.

It was an asinine decision to cut him.

We are a team that is not in the upper echelon of defensive talent. Having Hill on the field was a huge positive.

It sucks that he'll be on Baltimore. I really hope he get suspended again so the Giants are vindicated.

I'd love to get served some crow, but this one is gonna hurt us big time.

The ONLY argument I can see that makes sense is the accountability argument. But like others said, the Giants have kept players who were a bigger "cancer" than Hill.

We give guys chance after chance after chance but there has to be a limit to how many chances.

It's not about Will Hill. It's about doing what's in the best interest of the NY Giants as a team and an organization.


I wish we didn't have to cut him (and I'm sure most agree with that, but the guy gave us no fucking choice. Move on.

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not at all. We could have not cut him, put him on the suspended list and then when the suspension was up decided if we wanted to make room for him or just cut him at that point. We held all the cards and threw them away.

I'm not talking about cutting him. I'm saying when they cut down the roster to 53 they had to decide what they were doing with Hill and others on the roster. The Giants decided to cut Hill, which affected every decision they made on the rest of the roster. If on that day, they decided they wanted to keep him, they probably changes other cuts and moves. Your using hindsight in your decision. If they knew Hill was coming back they needed to plan long term on how they were going to handle it roster wise. I highly doubt the Giants are as short sighed as your making them out to be.

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But like others said, the Giants have kept players who were a bigger "cancer" than Hill.

Like who? With this coach and this administration.

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In comment 11923054 Sonic Youth said: Quote: But like others said, the Giants have kept players who were a bigger "cancer" than Hill. Like who? With this coach and this administration.

Plaxico

Hill's sucks.

Fans don't have to separate the on field talent from the headache the organization has to put up with and clean up after, you have that luxury. But, make no mistake you're conflating the two perspectives.

It's a poor decision in terms of talent and personnel, clearly. That's only half the equation, now more than ever with teams feeling the heat of public scrutiny.

It is what it is, Hill created the situation.

In comment 11923088 Blue Baller said:

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In comment 11923083 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 11923054 Sonic Youth said: Quote: But like others said, the Giants have kept players who were a bigger "cancer" than Hill. Like who? With this coach and this administration. Plaxico

Plaxico didn't make himself unavailable for games.

are not.

They made a decision months ago and have moved on...

Just like Hosely's suspension likely saved him from getting cut, Hill's suspension was like having a secret stash on your roster.

I'm not an expert on the mechanics and maybe they would have to expose some fringe player to waivers for one day, but the back end of the roster is always shifting around anyway. Its a tiny price to play.

I get the accountability argument, I really do. This is just a unique situation where talent and contract value is so far apart its worth the risk.

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are not. They made a decision months ago and have moved on...

I bet after Taylor went down and Brown got benched there were a few dissenting voices

In comment 11922668 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I have little respect for that franchise - one currently coached by one of the biggest douches in NFL lore.

How do you think fans around the NFL embraced Bill Parcells in the '80s?

I'd imagine no better than most here would embrace Harbaugh.

You see both are pricks, but at least Harbaugh's asshole(ry) is rooted in an over the top competitiveness that is hilarious and charming if he's your head coach. His whole life revolves around football and winning, and that passion when taken too far will be a turn off to many.

Parcells on the other hand was a grade A a***hole who had to demean his own players to get the best of them. It's comical to read about Harbaugh being a little too wound up with his own players and then compare it to how Parcells treated his own QB. You can Simms is still affected by it to this day.

There are/were very few good (relevant) head coaches that were saints. Mike Ditka, Buddy Ryan, Bill Belichick, Mike Singletary, Jim Schwartz, lots of POS have coached in this league.

Amusing that fans care so much about this, and will hate on others and be blind to their own.

I tend to believe NYG thought the same way, until Hill's actions continued to fuel the risk, and they decided to no longer assume said risk.

They cut him to eliminate the risk that he gets suspended again?

That's like being afraid you are going to get robbed so you throw out all your possessions.