NGT: Returning to practice Will Hill shows plenty of energy

in spite of all your stupidity and lack of accountability, is going to bite you on the arse. Those generous and patient people will eventually give up on you, regardless of your talent.

Oh, the angst!

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I’ll never forget the opening game of the ’84 season against the Philadelphia Eagles. Coach was standing at the locker room door saying things to players as they walked by. As I passed him, he says, “Hey Simms, if you don’t throw at least two interceptions today, you’re not taking enough chances.” I’m thinking, “Wow! What a thing to say to a quarterback!” It was his way of giving me a quick message to try to take the pressure off so I could relax and go out and play to the best of my ability. He did the same thing in Super Bowl XXI. All week long he kept telling me, “Make sure you’re aggressive and don’t be afraid to take a chance.” After we won, I remember his smile, I had to go through the coaches’ locker room or something, he just goes, “Simms, you were magnificent.” .......... I think I speak for a lot of ex-Giant players when I say that Bill had a tremendous impact, not only on our careers, but on our lives as well. There’s hardly a day that goes by when I don’t say or tell someone a Bill Parcells saying.

Seriously....the Niners don't have any boards?
obvious PTSD case - ( New Window )

I'm not ok with having him for 12 games, and then dealing with his suspensions etc. That's the risk and lack of accountability they pulled the plug on.

In comment 11923146 Blue Baller said:

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In comment 11923094 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: are not. They made a decision months ago and have moved on... I bet after Taylor went down and Brown got benched there were a few dissenting voices

Yes, I bet your right. Its not hard to find people that are short-sighted.

You don't like the fact that he will unavailable for 4-6-8 games so you make him unavailable for all of them?

Makes no sense to me.

I get that he probably broke promises to the team and that is the real reason. I just wish they didn't draw such a hard line. It's not like he didn't get punished for his actions, the league punished him plenty.

It's logical, common sense that in a 16-game season you're expected to be present and available to play 16 games. If my team can't trust you to do the right thing and comply, you've got to go.

It's choosing to do the right thing over win at all costs, most well-run businesses will give the boot for far less than calling in sick 25% of the year.

100% backed him to help him with his drug issues, paid for his medical/rehab needs, looked past his red flag history and all he did was give lip service to reforming himself and relapse.

it's about a team culture of accountability.

Letting him stay after fuck up #3 goes against that accountable culture in every possible way. And I'd bet good money that many more fuck ups were kept under wraps.

it won't change.

And, I forget the exact flow of info at the time, but the suggestion the team had a hand in floating the trashed apartment story had some weight to it. Meaning, the team had had enough too.

Giants players miss games due to injury from playing the games and some on here think that is unacceptable.

Hill misses games because he is a f'n idiot and does not care and that is deemed OK by some.

Amazing

In comment 11923275 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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100% backed him to help him with his drug issues, paid for his medical/rehab needs, looked past his red flag history and all he did was give lip service to reforming himself and relapse.

This too. The Giants gave Hill a chance when no one else in the league was willing, and he repaid them with lies and two more suspensions.

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some people have never led nor managed anyone. It goes poorly when you let someone lie to you repeatedly.

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RE: The 49ers.. NINEster : 12:05 pm : link : reply In comment 11922668 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: I have little respect for that franchise - one currently coached by one of the biggest douches in NFL lore. How do you think fans around the NFL embraced Bill Parcells in the '80s? I'd imagine no better than most here would embrace Harbaugh. You see both are pricks, but at least Harbaugh's asshole(ry) is rooted in an over the top competitiveness that is hilarious and charming if he's your head coach. His whole life revolves around football and winning, and that passion when taken too far will be a turn off to many. Parcells on the other hand was a grade A a***hole who had to demean his own players to get the best of them. It's comical to read about Harbaugh being a little too wound up with his own players and then compare it to how Parcells treated his own QB. You can Simms is still affected by it to this day. There are/were very few good (relevant) head coaches that were saints. Mike Ditka, Buddy Ryan, Bill Belichick, Mike Singletary, Jim Schwartz, lots of POS have coached in this league. Amusing that fans care so much about this, and will hate on others and be blind to their own.

How the fuck should I treat an asshole with the handle NINEster?

Point is, the 49ers are not a respected franchise. They were a winning franchise in an era when they cheated, lied, and schemed their way to the top.

you really want to compare Parcells to Harbaugh? Tell me when Harbaugh has won anything of note. The guy has had a stellar record is already rumored out of SF. Great work by a collossal asshole.

In comment 11922898 JonC said:

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The NFL and its teams are now under more scrutiny than ever for poor behavior and stupidity, and almost anything in terms of leaks is reaching the public. Public outcry begins, media amplifies it, the individual is torn down and thrown out the door. There's literally nowhere to hide like there was in the 80s, LT's mistakes and patterns of behavior could be swept under the rug.

this. different time and era where we are now.

was the real lesson for the other players, not the fact that the Giants cut Hill. How could that be a deterrent when another team picked him up relatively quickly? None of these guys care about the Giants THAT much... they don't care where they play as long as they get paid. All it really accomplished was hurting the team. He wasn't tying up a large portion of the cap, nor was his probable suspension keeping them from making other moves. There was little downside to keeping him through the suspension other than abstract junk.

BTW, just because I think the Giants screwed the pooch by cutting Hill doesn't mean I absolve Hill of acting like a moron.

and the 49ers are hanging on to Smith for all they are worth. Why are we different? Are the Ravens not concerned about Hill's reliability?

Reliability means nothing in the NFL. This is a league where a Giant receiver, whom everyone would have said is reliable, in five seconds suffers an injury causing him to miss the last ten games of the season and maybe damages his whole career. Does it matter that Cruz was injured instead of suspended? Not to the league standings.

This reminds me of when the Giants signed Larry Czonka from the failed World Football League. Czonka had of course gone to the WFL from Miami. Wellington Mara compensated the Dolphins with two third round draft choices although he was under no obligation to give them anything.

This probably gave Well a nice warm feeling about being an honorable man, but it did nothing for the long-suffering players and fans of the Giants.

I actually admire those who are glad Will Hill was released based on moral principals. All I care about is winning.

you seem to come off as a fucking idiot a lot of times when the team loses.

If all you care about is winning, you are going to be disappointed a great portion of the time.

I just don't get the people who could give a shit about character or think Will Hill was released for smoking pot of for one incident. It was a continued pattern of unreliability. And even then, it was a difficult decision.

I think most people care about winning, but the people who state the ONLY care about winning usually prove that they don't mind lying, cheating or doing anything they can to win, and then they become insufferable, whiny fucks, who look for scapegoats when the wins don't come.

In comment 11924095 Reese's Pieces said:

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Reliability means nothing in the NFL. This is a league where a Giant receiver, whom everyone would have said is reliable, in five seconds suffers an injury causing him to miss the last ten games of the season and maybe damages his whole career. Does it matter that Cruz was injured instead of suspended? Not to the league standings.

In comment 11924401 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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you seem to come off as a fucking idiot a lot of times when the team loses.

I'll take that as a compliment. You come off as a fucking idiot whether the team wins or loses.

In comment 11924501 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 11924095 Reese's Pieces said: Quote: Reliability means nothing in the NFL. This is a league where a Giant receiver, whom everyone would have said is reliable, in five seconds suffers an injury causing him to miss the last ten games of the season and maybe damages his whole career. Does it matter that Cruz was injured instead of suspended? Not to the league standings.

OK, please define reliability to me. I think it means being available to play nearly every game. Eli Manning is reliable. Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips and Terrell Thomas were not reliable because injuries forced them to miss large parts of seasons and eventually cost them their careers.

If we re-sign Kenny Phillips knowing that his history of knee injuries may keep him out of too many games, we are taking the same risk as re-signing Hill when the chance of suspension would keep him out of too many games.

The risk of injury is present for every player - including Will Hill - Hill carried with him incremental risk above and beyond most other players that he wouldn't be (and indeed wasn't) available to play.

For example, he currently isn't injured, and is still unavailable to play.