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Gregg Rosenthal's QB Index: Eli Related

Toth029 : 10/16/2014 12:59 pm
NFL.com article.

Eli not listed in the upper portion selection of QB's, but on on the downswing, because...

"Eli Manning: Pass protection was a big problem in Philadelphia, but Manning admitted that he held onto the ball too long on many of the six sacks he took. It's been a solid season for Manning overall, but he has two stink bombs in only six games."

What is with media pundits/writers using such extreme measures labeling players? For one thing it being a brand new system, but another they strike fast on certain players but rare if at all on others. Most people expected the offense to struggle early, but as soon as Week 2 it started to pick up. They're so quick to throw strong adjectives onto these performances without using any substance. And anybody watching last Sunday night's game could see Eli couldn't do much with the constant pressure and fronts he was facing.

Held onto the ball more often than he'd like? Sounds like Aaron Rodgers game against Detroit, a loss. Nothing about that one. Also, if that was Tom Brady he wouldn't have gotten the same treatment, but would have been "Tom's supporting cast is letting him down" or "Tom needs to be protected". Like when he was struggling mightily few weeks ago, it was, for the most part, about his teammates inability rather than the truth, Tom's physical decline which has gone on in the past two seasons. Russell Wilson plays terribly versus Dallas and throws a bad INT in the final drive. Nothing except how Dallas beat up their defense rather than Wilson throwing under 130 yards and an awful 38% on third down.

tl;dr Most sport journalism sucks
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GMenLTS : 10/16/2014 1:02 pm : link
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What is with media pundits/writers using such extreme measures labeling players?
I think Eli was just trying to take the heat off of his OL.  
Section331 : 10/16/2014 1:19 pm : link
I can think of one sack where he held th eb all too long, the one he fumbled on. That said, I don't know how anyone could have watched Sunday night's game, and come away thinking Eli was at fault.

Until I read BBI Monday morning.
one think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/16/2014 1:20 pm : link
I love about Eli is that he'll always take the blame in the press for the mistakes of others because that's what a Captain does. Unfortunately, many in the media take him at his word when evaluating what is actually happening in games.
Regarding Brady and Wilson...  
BillKo : 10/16/2014 1:22 pm : link
both were criticized harshly, and unfairly IMO.

This is today's coverage. One good week, you're the best. One bad week......you are questioned.

Brady's age and ability was brought up. Wilson, after a great game versus Washington in which he was hailed, suddenly has issues in Seattle.
the OL is by far the main reason  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/16/2014 1:22 pm : link
we lost that game. But I do think Eli held on to the ball a little too often on a couple of plays, it's definitely something I noticed. But that has a lot to do with our WRs not being able to beat that Philly press.
Held on to it to long rather than  
Zebra3 : 10/16/2014 1:25 pm : link
Throwing 3 picks that game. Fuck the media is as bad as some posters in here who love to take shots at the guy. He's a gunslinger when he tries to make plays (and throws picks) and timid when he takes a sac because his Oline sucks.
But isn't holding the ball....  
BillKo : 10/16/2014 1:26 pm : link
something that has to be done sometimes, to allow your receivers to break free? As is buying yourself some time in the pocket by stepping up or shifting around.

On Sunday, holding the ball a few plays is magnified, probably unfairly, because everything else was breaking down constantly.
RE: I think Eli was just trying to take the heat off of his OL.  
Bleedin Blue : 10/16/2014 1:32 pm : link
In comment 11923376 Section331 said:
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I can think of one sack where he held th eb all too long, the one he fumbled on. That said, I don't know how anyone could have watched Sunday night's game, and come away thinking Eli was at fault.

Until I read BBI Monday morning.


Section331 Amen!! ain't that the truth. I call a spade a spade, Eli included, but Eli is being a good teammate when he said it was his fault!
this has been the recipe for  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/16/2014 1:34 pm : link
most of Aaron Rodgers' worst games btw. Holding on to the ball too long and not "going down swinging". A bad Drew Brees game is 300 yds with 3 INTs, a bad Aaron Rodgers game is 180 yds with 1 INT and a bunch of sacks.

We're so used to seeing Eli go down "swinging", but in Green Bay that typically hasn't been the case so I wonder if that's something we'll see from now on with the Eli/McAdoo offense.
It's a stat world now  
Zebra3 : 10/16/2014 1:45 pm : link
So Eli will be sacked more but have a better rating to get into the hall of fame. No more mad bomber. Will we see another Super Bowl run in this new don't lose offense?
Osi - You're So Right  
BobbyJohnson_4thand17 : 10/16/2014 1:48 pm : link
Eli really is making a conscious effort to reduce turnovers. Last week's game would have been a 3-4 int. game under Gilbride.

Sometimes I feel we're so concerned about what the pundits think about Eli that we're not enjoying him while he's here. Either way, he'll be missed when he's no longer playing.
no one is not at fault for that game  
mattlawson : 10/16/2014 1:58 pm : link
no one. Paul fucking Dotino was at fault... that's how deep the blame goes in the organization.
The ideal would be if he threw the ball away  
Bino5 : 10/16/2014 2:14 pm : link
but he was not forcing balls and when you go to look for your 2nd and 3rd read and Connor Barwin is standing in your face there is not much you can do.
RE: I think Eli was just trying to take the heat off of his OL.  
Toth029 : 10/16/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11923376 Section331 said:
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I can think of one sack where he held th eb all too long, the one he fumbled on. That said, I don't know how anyone could have watched Sunday night's game, and come away thinking Eli was at fault.

Until I read BBI Monday morning.


I saw that, which is completely fine. And the writer notes that he held onto it longer than he probably should have.

Russell Wilson, meanwhile, admitted he could have played better vs. Dallas and you don't see those same standard.
he throws into coverage  
NYG007 : 10/16/2014 3:14 pm : link
he gets killed for throwing INT's. Give me a break, they brokedown like 4 sacks during the game on replay, ZERO places to throw the ball.
Eli  
stretch234 : 10/16/2014 3:58 pm : link
He takes the heat for his teammates whether his fault or not.

He never has and never will give a shit about the media's portrayal of him.

The media does not like him because he is not Peyton, he forced a trade and he gives no sound bites. It is much easier to fill content ripping him.
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