to be contenders. That could change, but from my vantage point, I just don't think they're good enough to beat the better teams in the league.
I expected a slow start, and for them to get better as the season progressed, potentially giving us an 8 or 9 win season. The three game winning streak gave me some hope that maybe things were progressing quicker than anticipated, but the past two weeks have allowed reality to set back in.
The last Dallas offensive drive of the game sums up Perry Fewell's tenure here pretty much in a nutshell. I don't know if it's the players or Fewell, but I dislike our defense very much.
Eli more than still has it
They have holes, they lack talent, but their coaching staff and specifically head coach set them up to fail on at least one side of the ball today and that's beyond inexcusable on the heels' of last week's disaster.
Jennings was at least running well behind this line.
JPP hankins,Moore,ayers,Beason williams,rolle,DRC Prince
Yeah no talent.
See, that's the mirage of the Perry Fewell defense though.
Forget EVERYTHING that happened prior to that. There were 5 and a half minutes left in the game, and we needed a stop. That's all that mattered. As they just converted and converted, ran it down to nothing, and then kicked a FG and put it out of reach.
I don't think the team even has MacAdoo's full O in yet, they look plenty confused at times.
We're just undermanned. Season isn't over and we're not a terrible team.. but this just isn't a playoff caliber roster. It is what it is. I'm surprisingly unfazed by this loss.
lol. the defense was fucking awful.
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but they didn't do a bad job today. Remember we lost Beason and Jenkins halfway through, and we're playing with guys at CB that should be on the bench. On top of all that, in Dallas against that O, we gave up 31 points after coughing up the ball deep in our territory.
See, that's the mirage of the Perry Fewell defense though.
Forget EVERYTHING that happened prior to that. There were 5 and a half minutes left in the game, and we needed a stop. That's all that mattered. As they just converted and converted, ran it down to nothing, and then kicked a FG and put it out of reach.
The drive when it was 14-7 where Dallas converted three 3rd downs was the drive of the game. Get a stop, possible score, go with the lead at halftime and get the ball.
I mean Romo was 9-9 in the 2nd half. You cant have all=pros everywhere on defense. But we continue to have a shit plan against good QBs.
Thing is, we did all of the things people always say we don't do and we got beat anyway. Everyone wants press/man coverage. Well, we played it with Prince on Dez and he got burned. Should have been burned another time but Romo under threw it.
Sent blitzes.. Demps has a free ride to Romo and completely whiffs.
Fenner gets singled up on Dez, easy long gain. JW singled up on Witten, easy completion over the middle.
These are the reasons he plays zones and why teams do it in general.
I can't pin this all on Fewell, I just was really deflated by that last drive.
Beckham is looking like he will do a fine job filling in for Cruz and he will only keep improving as he and Eli get more time together.
The facts are the Giants still get a chance to beat both the Eagles and the Cowboys in the home games. They just need to put together another winning streak before then.
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but they didn't do a bad job today. Remember we lost Beason and Jenkins halfway through, and we're playing with guys at CB that should be on the bench. On top of all that, in Dallas against that O, we gave up 31 points after coughing up the ball deep in our territory.
Thing is, we did all of the things people always say we don't do and we got beat anyway. Everyone wants press/man coverage. Well, we played it with Prince on Dez and he got burned. Should have been burned another time but Romo under threw it.
Sent blitzes.. Demps has a free ride to Romo and completely whiffs.
Fenner gets singled up on Dez, easy long gain. JW singled up on Witten, easy completion over the middle.
These are the reasons he plays zones and why teams do it in general.
Excellent Post.
Homer.
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Gotcha
We're just undermanned. Season isn't over and we're not a terrible team.. but this just isn't a playoff caliber roster. It is what it is. I'm surprisingly unfazed by this loss.
Very well said
Just hoping next season has the same result as 2007.
He's only thrown one INT in over a month (which should have been a TD), and has thrown 14 TD's to only 5 INT's.
But it's just not translating in the win column.
Just something I've been thinking about.
2) the defense sucks
My point is that we should expect to play better than our talent because we have an elite coach and QB. I'm not knocking Eli's performance today.
I think we tried sticking with the run a little too long when it was clear that they just were not going to back off and let us do it. This was a game where we should have really just put the ball in Eli's hands and see if he could win it for us. It was too late once we got into that mode.
Right now they are 3-4 and Eli is playing very well, but there is still room for improvement. My hope is that the team improves and maybe has a season which is the opposite of 07 or 11. The issue is, the NFC is very good and I doubt 9-7 gets in, hell 10-6 may not get in.
Just something I've been thinking about.
It simply means no matter how good Eli plays, others have to hold their ends of the bargain. And thats not happening.
Because the problem wasn't Eli's stats today. If anything, it was that the HC wouldn't put the game fully on Manning's shoulders and let him at least try to carry them because passing the ball = turning over the ball in Tom's mind.
Because the problem wasn't Eli's stats today. If anything, it was that the HC wouldn't put the game fully on Manning's shoulders and let him at least try to carry them because passing the ball = turning over the ball in Tom's mind.
My point was more about the offensive philosophy than the actual statistics.
I think there's problems all around, and I don't think the coaching is helping matters, but to me, the roster just doesn't have enough guys on it where they are going to beat a lot of teams that are even decent. Unfortunately, with the games coming up the next month, they could be looking at heading into the stretch at 4-7 or something like that, and playing some really irrelevant football against Jacksonville and Tennessee.
maybe...
if we let Eli fucking throw the ball...
the cowboys looked like another team that was bigger, stronger and faster than we were. their OLine pushed us around and our DLine didnt lay a glove on romo. perry of course failed to manufacture any pressure and romo looked like a 7 on 7 and was able to place the ball wherever he wanted
Eli's playing well and the OL wasn't bad in pass blocking. Why not let him loose - particularly in the second half?
At some point they had to realize the run just wasn't going to work and start throwing more.
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On an almost every week basis, there's virtually no pass rush or pressure generated, the LBs stink, injuries and poor personnel decisions have weakened the secondary, and we know that Fewell will often get outcoached and make strange deployment decisions.
The offense is a work in progress; the OL lacks some talent, the system is new and the OC is a playcalling rookie in the NFL demonstrating some growing pains.
The team as a whole repeats fundamental mistakes and mental errors, which several players kept repeating last night in post-game. FIX IT! It's about focus, attention to detail, mental preparation on the little things and firing out of the locker room ready to play.
With what army?
Score more than 21 points. You aren't a playoff team if you can't average at least 25 ppg.
This is a 6-win team right now. Get healthy, improve on the steaming pile of little things they eff up week to week and this is an 8-win team.
And, don't forget - the Giants competed and kept it close for most of the game. Tied at halftime and only a TD away until the turnover.
That is a fact. It's just that we can't do it.
You can analyze it any way you want but the run game is important and will be every week we play.
If we can't outrush teams, why should we think we can win? Someone explain that to me. Eli had solid numbers, three TDs and no TOs and we don't win.
To paraphrase, it's the run, stupid.