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This game is on Coughlin and Mcadoo

giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 7:24 pm
But mainly on Tom Coughlin. They stuck with the run despite how terrible it was performing. Everyone knows Uncle Tom is the one who wants to stick with the run so I assume Mcadoo's hands are tied here.

The Giants ran on first and second down when you they couldn't gain an inch at times. Now how does it make sense to keep calling those same damn plays in the 4th quarter when you are losing? I understand trying to establish the run, but when it can't be established, thats when you turn to your franchise QB and let him lead you down the field.

When they finally did this it was too late. It's complete garbage. Coughlin is too stubborn and too old. He needs to evolve and get with it, fast or fans will be calling for his head at the end of the year if not sooner.
Could not agree more  
tomjgiant : 10/19/2014 7:27 pm : link
I was screaming at the tv,throw the f-ing ball.
This OL is absolutely awful. Can't run block  
Blue21 : 10/19/2014 7:27 pm : link
or pass block. Although we had more success in the air Eli does not have the time he needs.
Ridiculous!  
nicky43 : 10/19/2014 7:28 pm : link
The game is on Dallas, who by far is a better team with less key injuries and they played very well today. I think we did way better than anyone was expecting,

Nice try but we just don't have enough talent on the oline and way too many key injuries.
RE: This OL is absolutely awful. Can't run block  
giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 7:28 pm : link
In comment 11929699 Blue21 said:
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or pass block. Although we had more success in the air Eli does not have the time he needs.


Bullshit. 3 TDs through the air today. And Eli had time in the pocket on a lot of plays today. The run game is horseshit, so stop calling horseshit.
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Danny Kanell : 10/19/2014 7:29 pm : link
Pretty much, yes.
OL  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
is an embarrassment.
I thought  
MattHofstra : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
The coaching was terrible today. Normally I never see anything as glaring but I feel like we ran the ball every 1st down and then kept running it on 2nd at times leaving long 3rd down conversions. That and the team is so undisciplined. I'm sick of preaching about penalties and turnovers yet it still happens
Agree  
GeneInCal : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
Awful gameplan. Awful
RE: Ridiculous!  
giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11929703 nicky43 said:
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The game is on Dallas, who by far is a better team with less key injuries and they played very well today. I think we did way better than anyone was expecting,

Nice try but we just don't have enough talent on the oline and way too many key injuries.


So you think the amount of ineffective run plays wasn't an issue?
No it's on No Pressure Perry  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
The D lost this game.
you guys understand do you not  
HomerJones45 : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
That it is not possible to know the play won't work before you call it?
Game  
stretch234 : 10/19/2014 7:32 pm : link
They had a 14-7 lead given to the defense and lost that. Randle did not have a hold on a running play. Donnell did not fumble on a running play.

Dallas did not drop passes, committed less penalties and converted 3rd downs.

This defense, since mid 2012, has not gotten teams off the field on 3rd down
RE: you guys understand do you not  
giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 7:33 pm : link
In comment 11929745 HomerJones45 said:
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That it is not possible to know the play won't work before you call it?


You know that its possible to look at whats worked and hasn't worked right?
Ben M.  
AnishPatel : 10/19/2014 7:33 pm : link
did a good job. The team is coming off an epic loss where the OL was a shit show. He came up with a game plan that was conservative. I am glad he did that. We lost the game but Eli had a great game. We had a shot to won. Turnovers by the fucking TE and our defense got bent over. Our game plan is hard to see for some because we want balance.

I have a feeling that is more of a TC thing though Ben M. mentioned it too. They protected Eli and played it safe after the Eagles game where we tried doing different things.
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steve in ky : 10/19/2014 7:35 pm : link
While I am sure he is involved in the overall game plan each week I don't think Coughlin is telling McAdoo what plays to call during the game. Coughlin made it a point to say he remembers when he used to have that job and it isn't easy and the guy doing it doesn't need anyone telling him what to do during the games.
C&M  
jpat54 : 10/19/2014 7:38 pm : link
Instead of running to set up the pass.How about passing to set up the run.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
This D sucks ass!!!! It's sucked ass the last five years... including 2011. The O is the only reason we were in this game. Like I said last year... Fewell has to go. Coughlin blind loyalty to his guys has cost us plenty of winning season.
RE: RE: you guys understand do you not  
HomerJones45 : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
In comment 11929762 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 11929745 HomerJones45 said:


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That it is not possible to know the play won't work before you call it?



You know that its possible to look at whats worked and hasn't worked right?
that doesn't mean it won't work or that you don't want the other team looking for it.
Yes, the O Line in not good at run blocking  
SB : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
...but really, the defense just sucks. How many third and longs did the give up? Can someone please make a play on third down?

I am sure I am not the only one that would have preferred the 3rd and 1 instead of the 3rd and 6 when Cowboys were within their their own Giants 20 yardline in the third Q. Jeez that was frustrating.

RE: I thought  
ed90631 : 10/19/2014 7:43 pm : link
In comment 11929724 MattHofstra said:
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I'm sick of preaching about penalties and turnovers yet it still happens


Preaching to BBI doesn't do jack. Send a sternly worded letter to Tom Coughlin with a cc to Reese, Tisch and Mara (and don't forget the NYT sports page).
This is not a Fewell  
giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 7:43 pm : link
thread. I'm not going to defend him. I didn't like the lack of pressure, though it seems on the handful of times when he brought a big blitz it didn't go home, so his blitz schemes probably suck too.

Despite the defense we could have won this game today having held Dallas to 21 points through 3 and a half quarters until a costly turnover. Everyone knows this defense isn't a top 10 unit, but Manning has shown he can carry the team. On a day when the running game was molasses it was time to put the game in Eli's hands. When they finally did (with 7 minutes left) he once again produced, but it was too fucking late.

I'm just getting fucking sick of the coaching on this team everywhere: specials, defense, offense, but in particular offense today. Fucking hot garbage.
Agreed. This is totally a Coughlin issue  
kepler20 : 10/19/2014 7:46 pm : link
Collinsworth said that Coughlin made Mcadoo sit with him before the season and look at his entire playbook binder. Coughlin then personally approved each play out of that binder and we are somehow left with some cockamamie offense that's even more vanilla than Gilbride's.


First possession after forcing a quick 3 and out.

Run
Run
Run


that says it all.


Coughlin is over the hill, it's just time guys. The sooner we realize this, the better we will be off. He's now handcuffed McAdoo and Eli, and it is under the guise of some new offense.
Play calling  
phil in arizona : 10/19/2014 7:52 pm : link
Was questionable at best.

If you are consistently getting to 3rd and 3-4-5 while running on 2nd and long, then fine. But if you are still getting stuffed on 2nd and long you need to be a throw first team.
Must admit  
JoefromPa : 10/19/2014 7:53 pm : link
it was puzzling at times
This game was on the defense...  
Brian T : 10/19/2014 7:54 pm : link
Eli did what he had to do

The D didn't do ANYTHING
This is not a Fewell ?  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 7:56 pm : link
...you're kidding right? One 93 yrd drive and another 80 yrd prior to Donnell's fumble. God!!!! I'm tired of the excusing this defense get. They have sucked ass the past 4 years.
hey Ozziefel  
Rory : 10/19/2014 7:57 pm : link
dunno if you been paying attention but TC's loyalty has also given the team 2 titles in 7 years.

so basically stfu
RE: This is not a Fewell ?  
giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 8:02 pm : link
In comment 11929981 OzzieFel said:
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...you're kidding right? One 93 yrd drive and another 80 yrd prior to Donnell's fumble. God!!!! I'm tired of the excusing this defense get. They have sucked ass the past 4 years.


This is not a Fewell thread. You're either blind, illiterate, or dumb. Probably the last of those three. Read my posts and then read the title of this thread. Otherwise, go suck on a tail pipe.
This will be no playoffs 5 of the last 6 years  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 8:04 pm : link
So maybe you should think about telling people to STFU .
giantgiantfan :  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 8:12 pm : link
Well... your thread is wrong... and stupid. You have no idea what you are talking about. Apparently you watch a different game than we did.
Rory  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 8:14 pm : link
No playoff 5 out of six years. Can't defend that... no matter how hard you try.
giantgiantfan...damn why the name calling?Why are you so pissed?  
Blue21 : 10/19/2014 8:33 pm : link
Can't people disagree? This O line sucks. They can't run block and I don't find their pass blocking aaceptible either.Romo had much more time than Eli to throw as have most of the other QB's the Giants have played this year.I'd love to see Eli sit in the pocket and have time to pick opposing defenses apart but he doesn't.
giangiantfan..I will say I gree with you about the defense.  
Blue21 : 10/19/2014 8:36 pm : link
They are to blame for sure and as much as I like TC seasons like last year and games/seasons like this year does get coaches fired.
People can disagree  
giantgiantfan : 10/19/2014 8:37 pm : link
and I'll argue with him them if I feel I have a point. I'll call people names when the misconstrue what I wrote, which is happening here. As for why am I so pissed? We'll I'm pissed about the shitty play calling today and numerous other things outside of the purview of this board and football in general, this is a good outlet.
RE: RE: I thought  
MattHofstra : 10/19/2014 9:31 pm : link
Thanks but I meant how Coughlin always preaches about penalties and turnovers yet we seem to take a bunch of dumb penalties always and have a lot of key turnovers

In comment 11929861 ed90631 said:
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In comment 11929724 MattHofstra said:


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I'm sick of preaching about penalties and turnovers yet it still happens



Preaching to BBI doesn't do jack. Send a sternly worded letter to Tom Coughlin with a cc to Reese, Tisch and Mara (and don't forget the NYT sports page).
You know Dallas..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/20/2014 4:45 am : link
had the same gameplan and often ran twice to set up a 3rd down. They executed it better and also made the 3rd down conversions more.

Despite this obvious "no threat to run", it was a big reason Fells was wide open for the TD and why the Giants were up 14-7. It was also why Eli wasn't pressured all night long.

I'd say this game is on Fewell if you had to give me a choice, band you picked two of the other guys, which is really strange to me.
I'd say Fewell is FAR more culpable, although the overall slopiness  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/20/2014 5:03 am : link
of the team is always on the head coach. Once again we saw guys running free in the secondary with Giants wondering who was supposed to be doing what after the play. We also saw more wide open guys at the markers on 3rd down. And finally we saw this defensive philosophy of NOT giving extra attention to the opponent's best players.

I'm reminded of the clip from the Super Bowl in which Belichek tells the defense not to let Nicks and Cruz beat them. The Fewell philosophy seems to be treat Nicks and Cruz like Bear Pascoe... single coverage (if any coverage) for everyone.
It's an interesting question  
Giantfan in skinland : 10/20/2014 5:31 am : link
Did the lack of pass rush result from our dedication to essentially kneeling down on first downs? Or was it the fact that Dallas hasn't generated a pass rush all season?

Was Fells open because of a credible threat to run the ball or because Dallas was daring us all game to run plays like that by stacking up against the run in early down situations?

Bad running plays aren't the only way to establish balance. You can also back a team off with the pass and then start running. You can also look to a short passing game to supplement for an ineffective running game.

I'm just tired of seeing us go to 2nd and 3rd and 7-10 with awful looking running plays and then somehow claiming that this helps the offense. When teams have to start guessing what's coming and the threat of both is credible....THEN the balance does something. Otherwise...it just seems to me that we're giving up downs to achieve a number perceived to be ideal on a stat sheet rather than allowing it to develop as a result of actually being able to attack in both ways.
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/20/2014 5:54 am : link
the run plays are giveups. We just didn't generate enough positive runs. Dallas had the same problem at times, too. Murray would be stopped for no or a very short game early in a series, but eventually, he started breaking off chunks. Williams, outside of the run down to the 5, never really could get that going.

Not being one-dimensional brings a lot of positives - even if there are short-term issues with drives stalling.
I guess it comes down to whether you had faith that the run plays...  
Giantfan in skinland : 10/20/2014 6:23 am : link
were anything but giveups. To me, the difference between Dallas doing it and us doing it is that they seemed likely to eventually pop some big gainers. I never felt that way about the Giants.

I understand as a general matter that it is beneficial to consciously stick with the run even when it doesn't appear to be working because eventually it may and the offense is better off if it does. I also just think there are some days, like today, when you are simply wasting downs trying to do what you clearly cannot. I don't think the "balance" made the passing game more effective. I think it just took away opportunities to do what we WERE doing well, put MORE stress on Eli on later downs, and generally made defending us EASIER.
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