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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/19/2014 7:26 pm
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We know how good we are  
Giants2012 : 10/19/2014 7:27 pm : link
They get paid too
Very dissapointed
We did some good things

You just have to go back to work

We're professionals
Can Kiwanuka finally be benched now  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 7:28 pm : link
Two tackles, never gets near the QB. Give Moore a chance to start.
I love running the ball  
rocco8112 : 10/19/2014 7:28 pm : link
as much as the next guy.

But the Giants may have to rethink this run at all costs stuff.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 10/19/2014 7:28 pm : link
Why is Moore not playing?
90% on the defense  
dpinzow : 10/19/2014 7:29 pm : link
The offense did OK considering the fact they're down Cruz and Jennings. Defense was a no show
Demps and Hosley are useless...  
PonderingObserver : 10/19/2014 7:29 pm : link
Who is responsible for them being on this team?
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FStubbs : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
We're still so pitifully weak along the lines. Every game this year this team has been at a disadvantage in the trenches. And the back 7 is awful.
looks like we will have plenty of time to evaluate rookies  
viggie : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
this season.
wondering about Moore myself  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
Kiwi gets some pressure but nowhere near enough.

Giants can beat this team. Safety play sucked - for God's sakes make a play for that 2nd TD to Escobar.

Everyone will be on Dallas sack even more now, but the Giants can beat them.
I blame this game mostly on Coughlin.  
Riggies : 10/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
Between the punch-him-in-the-face-worthy run first (not even balanced) game plan for most of the game and just how poorly disciplined pretty much the entire team is, this is just a really badly coached team right now -- even if it's also a team lacking in talent as well.

I've put most of this team's downfall at Reese's door until now (and still will going forward), but Jerry Reese isn't the one getting these guys ready every week, for every game. He's not the one who can't get through to these guys' brains and instill basic fundamentals at this point. That's Tom Coughlin's gig.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
No way Stevie Brown can be worse than Demps.
Disappointing and not enjoyable.  
DavidinBMNY : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
Dallas mauled us.

4-3 would have felt a lot different with the next 3 games against some of the better teams in the league.

2 weeks to have to watch this defense play Andrew Luck. Yikes.
what is frustrating about our running  
mdc1 : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
situation is that we do not
have a competent runner since
Jennings is out. So we double down
on the running with a rookie power runner
with no field vision or allusiveness.
At least  
Rick5 : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
they played some meaningful games in October this year. That's progress, right?
Disappointing and not enjoyable.  
DavidinBMNY : 10/19/2014 7:31 pm : link
Dallas mauled us.

4-3 would have felt a lot different with the next 3 games against some of the better teams in the league.

2 weeks to have to watch this defense play Andrew Luck. Yikes.
Lots of Murray's yardage  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:32 pm : link
was from cutbacks and poor LB play. Losing Jenbkins early hurt the team - who else is going to get pressure up the middle?
Going forward...  
Reb8thVA : 10/19/2014 7:32 pm : link
Not much reason for optimism without some change. Clearly an infusion of talent and speed is needed as well as toughness. I have no faith in Reese to fix this mess. I have no confidence in Fewell either. I will always respect Coughlin but if an entirenrebuild is in order lets start anew.
Good news is we're only a couple of pieces short.  
bceagle05 : 10/19/2014 7:32 pm : link
Couple of offensive linemen, couple of backs, couple of TEs, couple of WRs, couple of defensive linemen, couple of linebackers and a couple of defensive backs.

No playoffs this season. On offense we have Eli, Beckham and a whole lot of questions. Defense is a mess. I haven't been a "Fire Fewell" guy, but we could use a change.
Dallas mauled us  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:32 pm : link
The game was tied at halftime and within reach before the first Donnell fumble.
What's disappointing  
rebel yell : 10/19/2014 7:33 pm : link
is we were desperate and needed a win (a must win said JPP) and we just couldn't hang with them. We're fighting, but we just don't have all the pieces and some injuries at key positions are hurting us.
don't like what I see from Reese  
mdc1 : 10/19/2014 7:33 pm : link
but quite honestly what has the organization
done to give him linebackers or dlinetne
that have power and quickness or in the cae of linebackers can actually cover in space?
D got a key turnover  
rocco8112 : 10/19/2014 7:33 pm : link
seemed to contain the run for three quarters or so.

But man, this D can not buy a big stop.


LBs are the biggest need  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:34 pm : link
and a safety - on offense - seem to get over powered a lot, and of course the stupid OLine penalties.
did TC say it was 0-0 at halftime?  
micky : 10/19/2014 7:34 pm : link
or he meant tied at 14-14?
Good news is any wins we get from here on out will  
Blue21 : 10/19/2014 7:34 pm : link
be completely unexpected and we'll enjoy them more.Ugghhh.
Injuries  
Chip : 10/19/2014 7:34 pm : link
When you lose your best lb, your best corner is dinged up, your 3rd and 4 th corners are out, you cut your safety, your second highest paid ol is out, your best rb and your best wr are out. The season is over as far as making the playoffs. We are 30 mil under the cap without clearing room with Eli. It is important to sign Prince and JPP and other free agents.
rebel yell  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:35 pm : link
that's a pretty accurate view of it
line play is still way below average  
dd in Mass : 10/19/2014 7:35 pm : link
They really need to get a couple of free agent lineman...a DE who can put pressure on the QB and a center who won't let the pocket collapse

That's my take away.....no holes to run in, and no pressure on the QB who didn't have an incompletion the entire 2nd half

Plus welcome to the NFL Larry Donnell

They'll be 3-7 by the Dallas home game  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 7:35 pm : link
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Chip  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:35 pm : link
and Thurmond
Chip, our best 2 RBs  
FStubbs : 10/19/2014 7:36 pm : link
We lost David Wilson forever.
Got to have balance -- Coughlin  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 7:36 pm : link
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TC..on running continuance  
micky : 10/19/2014 7:36 pm : link
"Have to have balance"
Thought the game changed  
bceagle05 : 10/19/2014 7:36 pm : link
at the end of the first half. Tom botched the clock management, and the second half was all Dallas. Not that I'm pinning it on him.

Can we break up the Larry Donnell Fan Club? That night in Washington will probably be his lone career highlight. No tight ends and no linebackers, year after year.
I'm sure nearly everyone here predicted this team to be  
Go Terps : 10/19/2014 7:37 pm : link
anywhere between 7-9 and 9-7. So now that we're on the way there, people still freak out. This wasn't a bad effort...no one to really blame for anything. They didn't blow the game...they got beat.

The people blaming Coughlin, Fewell, or anyone else are very stupid and would serve BBI well to never return to the site.
Indy, Seattle, SF and Philly.  
RDJR : 10/19/2014 7:37 pm : link
TC says we have to have balance. He's so stubborn. Says we were in no huddle most of the game. Big difference between no huddle and hurry up. Got ornery when asked about it. Reporter backed down.
Donell  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:38 pm : link
had some ball security issues - but he's a good player. Once they see you cough up the ball - it's like chum in the water. Thinking he is not going to be a pretty decent player is short sighted.
Biggest  
AcidTest : 10/19/2014 7:38 pm : link
problem is the lack of team speed on offense and defense, at RB, WR, TE, LB, and S. This problem has existed for years. It's on Reese.

Play calling was unreal. Had to know that Dallas would gang up to stop the run, given our lack of speed at WR and TE, and our marginal OL. So we played right into what they expected, and did so not even with a speed back, but a smash mouth runner who needs a hole to get to the second level to do damage. And we kept doing it, apparently to try and "establish the run." Stupid.

The OL was very bad. Didn't see anyone who played well. Just awful.

On defense, no pressure, and no speed at LB and S killed us.

We also made a shit ton of mistakes.
RE: Thought the game changed  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
In comment 11929795 bceagle05 said:
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at the end of the first half. Tom botched the clock management, and the second half was all Dallas. Not that I'm pinning it on him.

Can we break up the Larry Donnell Fan Club? That night in Washington will probably be his lone career highlight. No tight ends and no linebackers, year after year.


Donnell had 7 catches for 90 yards. Was the top receiver.
Dallas is just a better  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
team at this point, and not that much better.
Will hill for demps  
bubba0825 : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
Would have helped today
RE: We know how good we are  
KeoweeFan : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
In comment 11929698 Giants2012 said:
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They get paid too
Very dissapointed
We did some good things

You just have to go back to work

We're professionals


Agreed.
AS others have mentioned, if you are behind a "better" team in their house in the 4Q, the last thing you should worry about is "balance".
So what if we SHOULD be able to run on Dallas, we had 3Q to prove that we CAN'T. I don't remember any outlet passes to Williams (other than designed screens). When he is in they just gear up to stop the run. (And we can run a screen.)
But all in all, given our state of development, I thought they gave a good effort and I enjoyed the game.
Sad that the defense  
mrvax : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
can't stop anyone. Again.
The offensive play calling was real, real bad. I bet the Cows will laugh at it when they review the game tape tomorrow.
Coaching  
scottyl : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
Fewell and McAdoo played not to lose instead of balls to the wall. Eli had all day to throw yet we continued with one yard and a cloud of dust running attack. And Fewell is clueless. We rarely blitz and have poor blitz schemes when we do. Play of the game....after Dallas penalty 3rd and 6 from inside their 15 Fewell rushes three and gets toasted by Romo. We have no pressure and he rushes three. Gutless.
RE: Dallas is just a better  
rocco8112 : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
In comment 11929822 bc4life said:
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team at this point, and not that much better.


I agree
they need linebackers  
Mike B from JC : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
That can cover the te.another run stopping dt.another safety besides rolle.they also need more oline help and a blocking te.until then this crappy football is what we will continue to see.at least they will be picking high up in the draft.also time for a new coaching staff.
The lines remain the biggest problem  
jeff57 : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
LB and S next
Extremely dissapointed..  
Cold Blooded Assasin : 10/19/2014 7:42 pm : link
on the stubbornness to run the ball with our shitty OL. Saw it last week and again this week. At some point, you have to run less and throw more. As soon as we started throwing the ball to our receivers we scored a much needed TD. Definitely looked like dull old Gillbride's offense without the down the field plays. Beckham is the goods. Have faith they will come back strong after the bye.
Poor LB play on the run  
bc4life : 10/19/2014 7:42 pm : link
and lack of a pass rush.

RE: Murray - he still hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy.

Let's see what Dallas does against the Cards.
RE: Dallas is just a better  
GloryDayz : 10/19/2014 7:44 pm : link
In comment 11929822 bc4life said:
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team at this point, and not that much better.


I agree, but Giants didnt help their cause either.

Penalties, TOs, stubborn play calling, miscommunication... etc.

Despite Dallas being a better team, this a game the Giants could have won
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