in this division have been killing us for years. Somebody mentioned they can't wait to see Witten retire. Sure, he's a HOF player, but when he goes, it will be somebody else, because it hasn't just been Witten. This has been a problem for years. Reese does nothing to correct it. Nothing.
This Giants post game reporter goes right after them
When you lose your best lb, your best corner is dinged up, your 3rd and 4 th corners are out, you cut your safety, your second highest paid ol is out, your best rb and your best wr are out. The season is over as far as making the playoffs. We are 30 mil under the cap without clearing room with Eli. It is important to sign Prince and JPP and other free agents.
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Don't forget having to cover Dez with a guy who was on the practice squad last week.
Aikman just said Jason Garrett believes the Cowboys of the 1990s are the blue print for building a great team. Back then the Cowboys had the best OL in the NFL and they won 3 Super Bowls. Since Garrett became the Cowboys head coach they have drafted OL in the first round 3 out of 4 years.
Parcells had a similar philosophy.
I hope the Giants return to the philosophy that says we need to have a great OL.
ESPECIALLY the first Donnell fumble ... REALLY sealed the deal today!!! THAT ... and ... inability to get REAL, persistent pressure on Romo ... are what killed this team today - IMO. Shoot me if you think I'm wrong ... but that's what I saw today!!!
!!!! If I can predict plays from watching the game on TV, then I think the Cowboys can figure it out as well,and I am no professional coach. Two draws to Hillis at the end of the first half? Are we trying to pad our running stats? Why call a TO with 3 seconds in the first half to give Hillis a draw play? Yea he's a gamebreaker!
Notice how dallas wins by hiring good
Coaches....garret wont be there next year
because OC will have job offers and he will
hire him and pay $$$$..
Jerry paid for big oline...
Do you want to pay eli $25 MIL to hand
off ball....
get some more average players and pay them
even though they are injured....
keep tc in charge....
fire KG. But keep his son....
let Pope go so he can help build oline blocking
Dallas. Finally they seem comfortable with their coaches changes. They also should get props for going OL in the first round 3 times. Now they have thatbOL for Romo. Their RB had talent but is injury prone. Now he is healthy for now and behind that OL isn't doing good things.
They have a HOF TE and very good X. That's a lot of damn things on offense going your way.
Defense I am impressed that they r getting production out of no name players. Maybe it fails? Let's see how things go when more and more tape comes out. I am not impressed with them overall but to get so much out of no name guys is admirable.
Props to them.
We have a ways to go in terms of talent everywhere. That's going to be on Reese and Ross. Maybe for once we can fix this OL. Add a lot more weapons on offense. Defensively , add more talent as well.
ability to stop the run was unexpected to me. They did a good job.
Our Oline can get away with providing a tiny crease when Jennings is playing. Williams needs a small hole. Our Oline wasn't able to do that except maybe 2-3 times today.
Imagine how freegin' great our offense would be if we had the Cowboy's Oline?
problem is the lack of team speed on offense and defense, at RB, WR, TE, LB, and S. This problem has existed for years. It's on Reese.
Play calling was unreal. Had to know that Dallas would gang up to stop the run, given our lack of speed at WR and TE, and our marginal OL. So we played right into what they expected, and did so not even with a speed back, but a smash mouth runner who needs a hole to get to the second level to do damage. And we kept doing it, apparently to try and "establish the run." Stupid.
The OL was very bad. Didn't see anyone who played well. Just awful.
On defense, no pressure, and no speed at LB and S killed us.
We also made a shit ton of mistakes.
Agree with the ridiculous insistence on one-yard runs with a cloud of smoke. The opening "drive": 3 one-yard runs into the middle of the Cowboys' defensive line. McAdoo and TC would rather be balanced than score points?
Also, Fewell's bend-and-snap defense was on full display. Get them to third down and rush 3 or maybe 4. The defense was gassed by the 4th quarter.
First, the positives..
The WRs are actually not letting us down as we thought. They are not the problem right now. We got a turnover and actually scored on it. Thank God for the short field. Special teams did not hurt us today and in fact we had one or two nice kick returns. Oh, and we did not get blown out today.
Now for the harsh realities..
O-line is exactly what some of us thought they were before the season began. Richburg is playing well. That's it. Pugh regressed. We cannot run for shit right now even if we had Jennings. I am watching the O-line get pushed backwards, miss guys completely, etc. The number of pre-snap penalties is incredible.
Our defense is still a huge problem for the third year in a row. We got the ball shoved down our throats in the first half, then up our ass in the second. Murray had 100 yards just one minute into the third. After the first quarter, we could not stop them unless they stopped themselves. We get zero pressure on Romo and definitely not on third down when we really need it. Missed tackles constantly. It has become epidemic.
I agree with some of you about the run plays. I am all for running the ball. However, when we can't then why continue to bang your head against that wall? Spread the field and pass until they soften the middle, then run. Throw a few more screen passes too. It was invented years ago.
Eli played well enough to where our losing was not his fault. It was neither a good game or a bad game. However, he left a lot of throws out there that he would like to have back. A few drive killers.
Coaching - WTF? Coughlin...for a discipline guy your team sure as hell is not playing that way. Not saying that I want you gone. BUT you need to fix this shit immediately. The mental mistakes are incredible. Fewell is clueless. Just let Beason call the defense when he comes back. Can't be any worse and he probably has a better feel for it than Fewell.
Can this team get into the playoffs? Sure, we are still in it. However, we are not playing like a playoff team. We do not appear to be mentally tough right now either.
Donnell is our offensive MVP so far this year so I am not getting on him. We probably do not have two of our wins without him. That fumble shit needs to end today and Coughlin better not bench him over it. Not yet anyway.
Reese - These players are playing you right out of a job. You are just lucky to work for a very loyal organization. I am done watching our team with our small corners that are physically mis-matched, our sub par O -line, our one LB we can count on, our under achieving D-line.
But if the defense doesn't learn how to play during the bye and Donnell can't remember how to hold on to the ball, then it will be in short order.
Play-calling by OC and DC can nullify any talent the Giants have. How many one-yard runs did McAdoo call? I thought he was bringing in this "West Coast" offense that would be an aggressive, pass-happy approach. I didn't see it. Also, Fewell is afraid of pressuring the QB. He gave Romo forever to stand back and wait until someone got open.
Eli played well enough to where our losing was not his fault. It was neither a good game or a bad game. However, he left a lot of throws out there that he would like to have back. A few drive killers.
But if the defense doesn't learn how to play during the bye and Donnell can't remember how to hold on to the ball, then it will be in short order.
Play-calling by OC and DC can nullify any talent the Giants have. How many one-yard runs did McAdoo call? I thought he was bringing in this "West Coast" offense that would be an aggressive, pass-happy approach. I didn't see it. Also, Fewell is afraid of pressuring the QB. He gave Romo forever to stand back and wait until someone got open.
I thought some of the play-calling was very suspect, but in Fewell's defense, it doesn't matter whether he sends the blitz or not. The d-line got no pressure on Romo and the blitzes didn't get home so I'm not sure what else Fewell can do. I am sick of the soft zone shit though. If you're dropping eight (!) into coverage, there shouldn't be any openings.
2 second rd and a 1sr rounder on the OL. It's not like they've neglected it. Pugh clearly is injured and Jerry is not started material. I'm not high on Walton. Either
i am not asking that we bring back Gilbride. He needed to go a few years ago. But it truly seems like amateur hour on offense. How many times is Manning moving someone in the backfield to the other side of him? How many times when we see Hillis or Williams in the game do they hand it to one of them? Then when we need to score co tinge to throw 7 yard passes.
The end of both halves we almost like we need to get some fantasy stats because we know we won't score. Let's hand it off 65 yards from the end zone and then call timeout so we can hand it off again? WTF was that? Then down by 10 I don't expect us to score or win but how about trying. 48 seconds left and we dump it for a 7 yard pass. Then run it again and fumble. What was the point? How about rolling out and throwing a bomb. Maybe catch it or get a penalty. Kick a FG and then onside kick.
Plus 13 penalties in the last 2 games. Every time they take a step forward and have 3rd and short false start or holding. And that is when they are not giving up sacks or fumbling the ball away.
Can anyone sit here and say Eli is playing terrible? No. The play calling though is killing me.
are not a good football team, and will continue to be a bad team until Jerry Reese realizers that you have to draft OL early. Until then, we will continue to suck. We will be lucky to win six games this year. And, by the way, Will Beatty is not good! Needs to be replaced. With six wins, we may have an opportunity to replace him.
2 second rd and a 1sr rounder on the OL. It's not like they've neglected it. Pugh clearly is injured and Jerry is not started material. I'm not high on Walton. Either
But Richburg is a center yet is playing Guard. He's out of position.
Thought Bryan was just too much to deal with - no Corner can really shut him down.
Dallas will find a way to f**K their season up, they always do.
Why not use it???
Don't understand why they can't correct these.
Romo looked very comfortable in the pocket today.
And Eli did not.
But that's very much part of the talent gap between these two teams.
At the L.O.S we are talking about two very different classes of teams.
Dallas is first class.
The Giants are third class.
Quite noticeable gap between the two teams.
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Don't forget having to cover Dez with a guy who was on the practice squad last week.
Parcells had a similar philosophy.
I hope the Giants return to the philosophy that says we need to have a great OL.
Coaches....garret wont be there next year
because OC will have job offers and he will
hire him and pay $$$$..
Jerry paid for big oline...
Do you want to pay eli $25 MIL to hand
off ball....
get some more average players and pay them
even though they are injured....
keep tc in charge....
fire KG. But keep his son....
let Pope go so he can help build oline blocking
they catch well....this offense is like old giants...
he had input. ..
Dallas. Finally they seem comfortable with their coaches changes. They also should get props for going OL in the first round 3 times. Now they have thatbOL for Romo. Their RB had talent but is injury prone. Now he is healthy for now and behind that OL isn't doing good things.
They have a HOF TE and very good X. That's a lot of damn things on offense going your way.
Defense I am impressed that they r getting production out of no name players. Maybe it fails? Let's see how things go when more and more tape comes out. I am not impressed with them overall but to get so much out of no name guys is admirable.
Props to them.
We have a ways to go in terms of talent everywhere. That's going to be on Reese and Ross. Maybe for once we can fix this OL. Add a lot more weapons on offense. Defensively , add more talent as well.
We have a ways to go.
why do you need balance...I wish reporters
would ask questions. Like we do...
It was feeling that way to me when I was watching the starters in Aug and early Sept
ride him out of town
we played so conservative . .took our time like
we we winning...its like tc wanted to lose
Rewind to college - there are no LB's
The Giants are not losing because of LB's. They make mistakes that they can not overcome
They took a 14-7 lead and 3rd & 6 Romo completes to Bryant, 3rd and 9 Romo completes to Witten (soft zone). TD - WR gets lost in end zone
Game tied: Giants have 1st & 10 on Dallas 35 (Run, penalty, run)
Dallas 3rd and 6 at own 11 - 44 yard to Dez (mystery zone coverage)
Romo TD to go up 21-14 Bowman on coverage
next Giants possession have 1st & 10 at Dallas 40 - penalty on 1st down and run on 1st and 20
After the fumble, Dallas - 3rd & 8 to Bryant - game over
Anyone see Rolle today
This team usually underachieves when facing a decent offense. Today was no exception.
Our Oline can get away with providing a tiny crease when Jennings is playing. Williams needs a small hole. Our Oline wasn't able to do that except maybe 2-3 times today.
Imagine how freegin' great our offense would be if we had the Cowboy's Oline?
Eli had time or more time this game and he made plays. You need a good OL and guys to make plays and protect the ball.
Play calling was unreal. Had to know that Dallas would gang up to stop the run, given our lack of speed at WR and TE, and our marginal OL. So we played right into what they expected, and did so not even with a speed back, but a smash mouth runner who needs a hole to get to the second level to do damage. And we kept doing it, apparently to try and "establish the run." Stupid.
The OL was very bad. Didn't see anyone who played well. Just awful.
On defense, no pressure, and no speed at LB and S killed us.
We also made a shit ton of mistakes.
Agree with the ridiculous insistence on one-yard runs with a cloud of smoke. The opening "drive": 3 one-yard runs into the middle of the Cowboys' defensive line. McAdoo and TC would rather be balanced than score points?
Also, Fewell's bend-and-snap defense was on full display. Get them to third down and rush 3 or maybe 4. The defense was gassed by the 4th quarter.
I'd have sent an extra 2 guys to blitz Romo on every passing down. Result would be either you whack 'em or he completes another pass.
They have issues at just about every position. At the positions they solidified during the off season they have suffered debilitating injuries.
This season is going to be up and down. It is going to be good and bad.
They'll be better, just not this year.
Thats it in a nutshell.
They have issues at just about every position. At the positions they solidified during the off season they have suffered debilitating injuries.
This season is going to be up and down. It is going to be good and bad.
They'll be better, just not this year.
Thats it in a nutshell.
Amen.
The WRs are actually not letting us down as we thought. They are not the problem right now. We got a turnover and actually scored on it. Thank God for the short field. Special teams did not hurt us today and in fact we had one or two nice kick returns. Oh, and we did not get blown out today.
Now for the harsh realities..
O-line is exactly what some of us thought they were before the season began. Richburg is playing well. That's it. Pugh regressed. We cannot run for shit right now even if we had Jennings. I am watching the O-line get pushed backwards, miss guys completely, etc. The number of pre-snap penalties is incredible.
Our defense is still a huge problem for the third year in a row. We got the ball shoved down our throats in the first half, then up our ass in the second. Murray had 100 yards just one minute into the third. After the first quarter, we could not stop them unless they stopped themselves. We get zero pressure on Romo and definitely not on third down when we really need it. Missed tackles constantly. It has become epidemic.
I agree with some of you about the run plays. I am all for running the ball. However, when we can't then why continue to bang your head against that wall? Spread the field and pass until they soften the middle, then run. Throw a few more screen passes too. It was invented years ago.
Eli played well enough to where our losing was not his fault. It was neither a good game or a bad game. However, he left a lot of throws out there that he would like to have back. A few drive killers.
Coaching - WTF? Coughlin...for a discipline guy your team sure as hell is not playing that way. Not saying that I want you gone. BUT you need to fix this shit immediately. The mental mistakes are incredible. Fewell is clueless. Just let Beason call the defense when he comes back. Can't be any worse and he probably has a better feel for it than Fewell.
Can this team get into the playoffs? Sure, we are still in it. However, we are not playing like a playoff team. We do not appear to be mentally tough right now either.
Donnell is our offensive MVP so far this year so I am not getting on him. We probably do not have two of our wins without him. That fumble shit needs to end today and Coughlin better not bench him over it. Not yet anyway.
Reese - These players are playing you right out of a job. You are just lucky to work for a very loyal organization. I am done watching our team with our small corners that are physically mis-matched, our sub par O -line, our one LB we can count on, our under achieving D-line.
Play-calling by OC and DC can nullify any talent the Giants have. How many one-yard runs did McAdoo call? I thought he was bringing in this "West Coast" offense that would be an aggressive, pass-happy approach. I didn't see it. Also, Fewell is afraid of pressuring the QB. He gave Romo forever to stand back and wait until someone got open.
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But if the defense doesn't learn how to play during the bye and Donnell can't remember how to hold on to the ball, then it will be in short order.
Play-calling by OC and DC can nullify any talent the Giants have. How many one-yard runs did McAdoo call? I thought he was bringing in this "West Coast" offense that would be an aggressive, pass-happy approach. I didn't see it. Also, Fewell is afraid of pressuring the QB. He gave Romo forever to stand back and wait until someone got open.
I thought some of the play-calling was very suspect, but in Fewell's defense, it doesn't matter whether he sends the blitz or not. The d-line got no pressure on Romo and the blitzes didn't get home so I'm not sure what else Fewell can do. I am sick of the soft zone shit though. If you're dropping eight (!) into coverage, there shouldn't be any openings.
Jeez, really?
Dallas LG is a 7th rd pick, the starting RT today was undrafted, Free is a 4th and their other G was undrafted
Without Jennings they do not have a RB to stretch the field. Dallas sold out for the middle.
When you lose Wilson and then lose Jennings, you lose your quickness at RB
The end of both halves we almost like we need to get some fantasy stats because we know we won't score. Let's hand it off 65 yards from the end zone and then call timeout so we can hand it off again? WTF was that? Then down by 10 I don't expect us to score or win but how about trying. 48 seconds left and we dump it for a 7 yard pass. Then run it again and fumble. What was the point? How about rolling out and throwing a bomb. Maybe catch it or get a penalty. Kick a FG and then onside kick.
Plus 13 penalties in the last 2 games. Every time they take a step forward and have 3rd and short false start or holding. And that is when they are not giving up sacks or fumbling the ball away.
Can anyone sit here and say Eli is playing terrible? No. The play calling though is killing me.
But Richburg is a center yet is playing Guard. He's out of position.
If the team that knows the player best does not want to keep him, then he is not worth his price.
If you disagree then why don't we draft the OL players and get the WRs on the free market?
Also if you disagree, then we does our OL suck year after year?