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Does 2 Titles in the last 7 years

Stan from LA : 10/19/2014 7:37 pm
Excuse all the other down seasons for Coughlin?

Or would you rather be the Pats the last 10 years, always in the playoffs but no Titles?

I'll take the 2 rings thank you very much.
Cool  
Josh in the City : 10/19/2014 7:38 pm : link
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Does it have to be either or?  
Blue21 : 10/19/2014 7:38 pm : link
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FStubbs : 10/19/2014 7:38 pm : link
This team is so far removed from the 2011 title team there are stars that are closer (other than the sun)
Twitterific  
illmatic : 10/19/2014 7:39 pm : link
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That sounds like a post from a guy who doesn't watch many games  
Essex : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
Two Super Bowls matter, but if you watch week to week and care, there is a lot of value of playing consistently well.
I live in the now  
natefit : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
and look toward the future. Do you live in the past?
Amazing thread  
PhiPsi125 : 10/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
thanks for sharing
i have lived the alternative  
HomerJones45 : 10/19/2014 7:41 pm : link
And yes, it does.

Unless one is part of a spoiled, overprivilged fan base.
#HASHTAG  
Default : 10/19/2014 7:42 pm : link
#HASHTAG
I appreciate the 2 SBs and can look at where the team currently is,  
Riggies : 10/19/2014 7:44 pm : link
has been, and is likely going too.

These days, they're basically slamming their head into a wall over and over and are going to almost certainly miss the playoffs for the fifth time in six seasons while in the midst of a supposed top franchise QB's prime. The one year they made it in (that yes, they won the SB off of), they did it on 9 wins and giving up more points than they scored.

Something, whatever it is or however you want to divide the blame, is a problem that just isn't getting fixed with the status quo.
RE: i have lived the alternative  
Stan from LA : 10/19/2014 7:44 pm : link
In comment 11929846 HomerJones45 said:
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And yes, it does.

Unless one is part of a spoiled, overprivilged fan base.


Bingo.
Yes,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/19/2014 7:45 pm : link
by a landslide
abosolutely  
Rory : 10/19/2014 7:55 pm : link
with out a doubt YES

Any of you so called fans who think otherwise are delusional dipshits.

When TC retires and Eli hangs it up and the Giants are drafting their 3rd 1st rd QB in 5 years you will refer to this era as the glory days.
2 titles  
JoefromPa : 10/19/2014 7:59 pm : link
gets him into all time Giants status, and you cannot take them away from him. But they do not grant immunity forever. Statues of Limitations runnning out.
I have followed this team since the 50's.  
Blue21 : 10/19/2014 8:04 pm : link
My point is one has nothing to do with the other.Two Super Bowl wins obviously is fantastic. If the Pats played in the division we do they wouldn't have had the success they have had.But these last couple years have been hard to take as a fan. Could it have been worse? Sure. But still doesn't make these losses any less painful.
Its whats called a dialectic  
natefit : 10/19/2014 8:08 pm : link
Two seemingly opposite things can simultaneously be true. We are thankful and appreciative for everything TC/staff did in bringing us the elation of winning 2 SBs. And, its also time for a change based on recent past performance. Its not one or the other.
RE: Its whats called a dialectic  
oldutican : 10/19/2014 8:12 pm : link
In comment 11930079 natefit said:
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Two seemingly opposite things can simultaneously be true. We are thankful and appreciative for everything TC/staff did in bringing us the elation of winning 2 SBs. And, its also time for a change based on recent past performance. Its not one or the other.


Isn't it amazing that the Coughlin loyalists don't get this?
What I don't get is how wanting to win is being spoiled?  
Essex : 10/19/2014 8:23 pm : link
What am I tuning in for every Sunday? That is not to say you should lose perspective, but to say that not making the playoffs five of six years (if we don't make it this year) is making life on Sundays bearable because we won two Super Bowls in the last seven years is idiotic. The people who support that notion act like these Sundays are watched by Robots who say who cares if we win or lose because at least we won Super Bowls in the past? That is not reality. If you care about the Giants and root hard, it has been a difficult two+'years, Super Bowls or not.
I am a Red Sox fan and will  
Reb8thVA : 10/19/2014 8:35 pm : link
Always appeciate Theo Epstein for the two titles he brought to Boston after 86 years but by the time he left he had lost his way. Lots of bad personnel decisions. It was time to start a new. Samenthing with the Giants.
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Sarcastic Sam : 10/19/2014 8:41 pm : link
In comment 11929814 FStubbs said:
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This team is so far removed from the 2011 title team there are stars that are closer (other than the sun)


Oh REALLY?

The closest star to Earth, excluding Sol, is Proxima Centauri. Wikipedia says that is 4.24 light-years from Earth. Google Now(TM) says that a light year is approximately 5.8x10^12 miles. Google search says that the Earth is travelling at 490,000 miles per hour relative to the center of the galaxy. Superbowl 46 was played on February 5, 2012, which was 985 days ago.
490,000*24*985=1.16x10^10.

So you're off by TWO FUCKING ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.

Try again.
RE: RE: Its whats called a dialectic  
Stan from LA : 10/19/2014 9:08 pm : link
In comment 11930110 oldutican said:
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In comment 11930079 natefit said:


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Two seemingly opposite things can simultaneously be true. We are thankful and appreciative for everything TC/staff did in bringing us the elation of winning 2 SBs. And, its also time for a change based on recent past performance. Its not one or the other.



Isn't it amazing that the Coughlin loyalists don't get this?


I get this. I think TC's run is over. Time for a new voice. But 2 Titles in his time here makes up for a lot of the other stuff. Ask a Jet or an Eagle or a Bill or a Viking fan...
no it doesn't excuse them  
chris r : 10/19/2014 9:09 pm : link
it makes them easier to take but it doesn't excuse them.
Hell  
LS : 10/19/2014 9:20 pm : link
yes.
RE: absolutely  
Great White Ghost : 10/19/2014 10:16 pm : link
In comment 11929969 Rory said:
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with out a doubt YES

Any of you so called fans who think otherwise are delusional dipshits.

When TC retires and Eli hangs it up and the Giants are drafting their 3rd 1st rd QB in 5 years you will refer to this era as the glory days.
Ahh, a kindred soul who understands the vast endless wasteland that awaits.For those who don't understand what it is to wait 30 YEARS for a championship,don't think it can't happen, because it can and does. This Franchise has.

To put things in their perspective, 17 teams, most of the NFL, have not won a superbowl in the last 30 years.If you are treated to one in the next 30, you're doing better than the fans of most teams.Time for a Reality check.The wasteland awaits.....
At one point  
pjcas18 : 10/19/2014 10:20 pm : link
the two Super Bowls in 7 years were two Super Bowls in 4 years.

Now it's 2 in 7 years (assuming a loss this year).

At what point does the 2 super bowls in n years become unacceptable when the lows are this low (not sure what this low is yet, but it's at least not playoffs).
Well to give the OP credit  
bradshaw44 : 10/19/2014 10:27 pm : link
A lot of knee jerk people wanted Eli and TC gone after the 2009 season. And 2010 was another major let down. Soooo I think it's not as ridiculous as some of you make it out to be.
RE: RE: absolutely  
mrvax : 10/19/2014 10:37 pm : link
In comment 11930580 Great White Ghost said:
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Ahh, a kindred soul who understands the vast endless wasteland that awaits.For those who don't understand what it is to wait 30 YEARS for a championship,don't think it can't happen, because it can and does. This Franchise has.

To put things in their perspective, 17 teams, most of the NFL, have not won a superbowl in the last 30 years.If you are treated to one in the next 30, you're doing better than the fans of most teams.Time for a Reality check.The wasteland awaits.....


Statistically, each team has a 1:32 chance at winning the Superbowl. The Giants have won it 4 times in the last 32 years. (Actually 28 but who's counting.)

My point is that on average, you can expect a team (other than the Eagles) to win 4 Superbowls in about 128 years. Giant fans have been blessed. We saved 100 years of waiting.


I don't think they are mutually exclusive.  
Matt M. : 10/19/2014 10:49 pm : link
I love the two titles. I thank Coughlin for bringing them here. I love Coughlin and was one of the few who was actually thrilled when he was hired.

On the other hand, I don't think the 2 titles allow him to write his own ticket, as many here think. If the Giants were consistent and competitive for the balance of the last couple of years, I would not be at all critical. However, this is a team, that has been pushed around, consistently come up small when they needed a big win, played sloppy, looked unprepared or overwhelmed, etc. If they miss the playoffs for the 5th time in 6 seasons, which is very likely and do so in the recent fashion, then yes, I think it is time for Coughlin to go. At some point, the past doesn't matter and you have to be accountable for the present.
No, it does not excuse this poor performance over the past few years..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/20/2014 7:36 am : link
Coughlin can basically thank Tyree for his job today. Without that helmet catch, then you are thinking it has been since 2007 since we won. This team is basically 9-7 on average under Coughlin.

Too many people ask if we would trade the two superbowls for better regular season records every year. It is a stupid comparison/choice. There is nothing wrong with demanding to be competitive every year.
Personally - I still think Coughlin and Eli have got it  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/20/2014 8:32 am : link
There is just a bunch of bad luck combined with some growing pains that have occurred

1- If Pugh is playing injured and that is effecting the OLine play - is that Coughlin's fault?

2 - If Victor Cruz has a season ending freak injury - Is that Coughlin;s fault

3 - If Rashaad Jennings is injured - is that Coughlin's fault?

4 - If Larry Donnell fumbles on a comeback drive - is that Coughlin's fault

You all need to get a grip - no one like losing - but this off with their heads routine is tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bath water

Coughlin and Eli are one of the three best coaching/QB tandems in the game today - you don;t break that up - you do your best to surround them with the best talent you can and you keep going at it

Heck - look at San Francisco - and Jim Harbargh the genius - look at Seattle and Pete Carroll the genius - Last year - the two of the three best teams in football - this week - Goats

Grow a set of munchies boys - football is a tough game - there are bad breaks and good breaks -

Maybe you all should be screaming for the healing waters intend the hangman's noose.

I'm with Stan on this one - I'm pretty happy with this group of NY Giants - and I'm ecstatic with what they've been able to achieve - and I also believe they can still achieve more glory

Go GiantS!!!
YeaH BabY!!!
RE: Personally - I still think Coughlin and Eli have got it  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 8:34 am : link
In comment 11930953 gidiefor said:
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I'm with Stan on this one


That sentence should be the warning flag that causes you to re-evaluate your position.
RE: RE: Personally - I still think Coughlin and Eli have got it  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/20/2014 8:38 am : link
In comment 11930957 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 11930953 gidiefor said:


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I'm with Stan on this one



That sentence should be the warning flag that causes you to re-evaluate your position.


Hey Greg - Love you BabY - but We all can be morons - and I put you and me in that category along with Stan - being an occasional moron is part of the human condition - so your point is moot - considering the source?
RE: RE: Its whats called a dialectic  
HomerJones45 : 10/20/2014 9:03 am : link
In comment 11930110 oldutican said:
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Two seemingly opposite things can simultaneously be true. We are thankful and appreciative for everything TC/staff did in bringing us the elation of winning 2 SBs. And, its also time for a change based on recent past performance. Its not one or the other.



Isn't it amazing that the Coughlin loyalists don't get this?
no, they can't. One would think that very recent experience would serve as an example. Most of the same people were so happy that Gilbride was fired and were oh so happy that McAdoo is here. Well the results are 3 good games 3 duds and a so-so even though half the offensive players were changed.
As I've stated, I truly love Coughlin.  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 11:16 am : link
However, the annual ability to dismiss problems on specific injuries and mass injuries at certain positions. That worked for a specific off year or two. However, there are now 4 years in a row of down play before and after injuries. In my opinion, there are patterns of problems that have occurred on D and St that have gone unchecked. that is a huge problem and at some point need to have accountability. That falls, at least in part, on the HC.

Further, Coughlin has long stood for discipline. Yet, the last couple of years, this team has looked anything but. They have also looked unprepared or "not up" for a large number of games over a few years.

These patterns should at least make the possibility of a replacement a serious discussion. I am, however, willing to to give Coughlin and his staff the ability to turn things around, because we have seen it before under him.
the team is so exhausting to watch though  
Paul from Queens : 10/20/2014 11:25 am : link
I agree the 2 titles are worth more but man in the years we didn't win it has been a frustrating pain in the ass from the Plax shooting himself (I still feel we were on our way to another title that year) and last years 6 in a row losses to than go on a win streak to this years hey they look good to nah they look like shit.
RE: Personally - I still think Coughlin and Eli have got it  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
In comment 11930953 gidiefor said:
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There is just a bunch of bad luck combined with some growing pains that have occurred

1- If Pugh is playing injured and that is effecting the OLine play - is that Coughlin's fault?

2 - If Victor Cruz has a season ending freak injury - Is that Coughlin;s fault

3 - If Rashaad Jennings is injured - is that Coughlin's fault?

4 - If Larry Donnell fumbles on a comeback drive - is that Coughlin's fault

Before you jump down my throat, I am not saying we should fire TC. Just see my earlier post. Just here to refute your 4 points.

1. It is Coughlin's fault for not replacing him if his injury is preventing us from winning.
2. We are not losing because Cruz is out. in fact, the WRs played much better than expected yesterday. Plus Cruz was here for our other losses.
3. Jennings was not running behind our O-line over the past two weeks even if he was healthy. Not sure what games you watched but I saw Williams getting nailed numerous times as soon as he was handed the ball.
4. We lost the game way before Donnell's fumbles. The true measure of this coach is what he does with Donnell afer this two fumble game. You can beat him down and basically take away everything that has made him successful. Or, you can encourage him and let him improve with positive reinforcement.
RE: RE: Personally - I still think Coughlin and Eli have got it  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/20/2014 4:01 pm : link
In comment 11932162 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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In comment 11930953 gidiefor said:


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There is just a bunch of bad luck combined with some growing pains that have occurred

1- If Pugh is playing injured and that is effecting the OLine play - is that Coughlin's fault?

2 - If Victor Cruz has a season ending freak injury - Is that Coughlin;s fault

3 - If Rashaad Jennings is injured - is that Coughlin's fault?

4 - If Larry Donnell fumbles on a comeback drive - is that Coughlin's fault



Before you jump down my throat, I am not saying we should fire TC. Just see my earlier post. Just here to refute your 4 points.

1. It is Coughlin's fault for not replacing him if his injury is preventing us from winning.
2. We are not losing because Cruz is out. in fact, the WRs played much better than expected yesterday. Plus Cruz was here for our other losses.
3. Jennings was not running behind our O-line over the past two weeks even if he was healthy. Not sure what games you watched but I saw Williams getting nailed numerous times as soon as he was handed the ball.
4. We lost the game way before Donnell's fumbles. The true measure of this coach is what he does with Donnell afer this two fumble game. You can beat him down and basically take away everything that has made him successful. Or, you can encourage him and let him improve with positive reinforcement.


1- Who do you replace him with?
2- Losing Cruz was still a big blow
3- Disagree totally
4- Disagree - but never-the-less - Giants were making a come back and that put the kebash on it
The big question for TC is age. He'll be 69 next season, so if they  
Victor in CT : 10/20/2014 4:05 pm : link
end up 6-10 or 7-9 it depends on how they rate the team. If they think it's a 1 or 2 year road to being a true contender then TC's age may not come into it. But if they are looking at a 3-5 year window and he's pushing 75 at the end of it, then maybe they have to let TC "retire".
RE: At one point  
Great White Ghost : 10/20/2014 9:44 pm : link
In comment 11930599 pjcas18 said:
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the two Super Bowls in 7 years were two Super Bowls in 4 years.

Now it's 2 in 7 years (assuming a loss this year).

At what point does the 2 super bowls in n years become unacceptable when the lows are this low (not sure what this low is yet, but it's at least not playoffs).
What does "Unacceptable mean? Does that mean you stop being a Giants fan? How do you "refuse to accept" it then? You either root for the team or you don't. If they haven't won a championship again in 25 years will you not be a Giants fan? You either will or you won't, so I guess what is "acceptable" is up to each individual fan, being as you don't work for, coach for, play for or choose personnel for the NY Giants.

Whether or Not you're a fan is the only thing you have any say at all over as far as what you "accept".
RE: RE: At one point  
pjcas18 : 10/20/2014 9:50 pm : link
In comment 11932928 Great White Ghost said:
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In comment 11930599 pjcas18 said:


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the two Super Bowls in 7 years were two Super Bowls in 4 years.

Now it's 2 in 7 years (assuming a loss this year).

At what point does the 2 super bowls in n years become unacceptable when the lows are this low (not sure what this low is yet, but it's at least not playoffs).

What does "Unacceptable mean? Does that mean you stop being a Giants fan? How do you "refuse to accept" it then? You either root for the team or you don't. If they haven't won a championship again in 25 years will you not be a Giants fan? You either will or you won't, so I guess what is "acceptable" is up to each individual fan, being as you don't work for, coach for, play for or choose personnel for the NY Giants.

Whether or Not you're a fan is the only thing you have any say at all over as far as what you "accept".


By refusing to accept it in my use simply means you're not Ok with it.

for example 2012 season, people said eh, they just won the SB, they won 2 in 5 seasons. I give them a pass.

2013, eh they just won the SB two years ago, Coughlin has a lifetime job.

2014, ok, need to straighten out the offense it's now 2 super bowls in 7 years.

I say it's not acceptable simply meaning I'm not ok with it.

not that I'm boycotting the team, demanding change, writing letters to ownership, etc.

that's all I meant
I'm not OK with it either  
Great White Ghost : 10/20/2014 10:01 pm : link
I Understand what you mean.

Myself i would look to make changes elsewhere besides the HC.I'd lose Quin and fewell, no qualms at all. Wouldn't Cry if Marc Ross was fired, and if they let Reese go, I'd give his replacement a chance to make a good impression before I cry about the loss of our current GM.

TC on the other hand, I kinda laugh up my sleeve when I read how people think the next coach is going to do better with the same crap.The next guy will do better with better personnel, as would TC, barring that I think TC ends up in the HoF and I doubt any of our next 3 coaches do.I think once Eli and TC are gone I'll be a much older man before we win a SB again.
RE: I'm not OK with it either  
pjcas18 : 10/20/2014 10:05 pm : link
In comment 11932963 Great White Ghost said:
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I Understand what you mean.

Myself i would look to make changes elsewhere besides the HC.I'd lose Quin and fewell, no qualms at all. Wouldn't Cry if Marc Ross was fired, and if they let Reese go, I'd give his replacement a chance to make a good impression before I cry about the loss of our current GM.

TC on the other hand, I kinda laugh up my sleeve when I read how people think the next coach is going to do better with the same crap.The next guy will do better with better personnel, as would TC, barring that I think TC ends up in the HoF and I doubt any of our next 3 coaches do.I think once Eli and TC are gone I'll be a much older man before we win a SB again.


I'm fine with all that, the only reason I think Coughlin should be let go is when the team has a performance like against the Eagles.

and when they have those performances as often as they have the past few years. totally unprepared and unmotivated, that's not just talent, that's poor coaching, across the board and it happens too often.
I hate to agree with you  
Great White Ghost : 10/21/2014 10:25 am : link
but I do to an extent.I'm watching Giants footbal awghile now, and it's a characteristic of the team regardless of who is coaching. I saw the same dynamic in play at the end of both parcells and Fassells tenure.It's not so much the coaches get stale as the team does.too many guys that have been there too long get comfortable. I felt parcells left becuase he knew he had called in all his markers, used all his ploys. He was running on empty before he left. I don't know it's so much he doesn't get through as much as they don't listen, and that's not really his fault. Not every rotten kid is the result of bad parenting.

But it's true, too many losses by too big a margin.Sometimes you need to change a coach just because, but I'm not at that point yet with TC.Ask me again in late December, I may be singing a dif tune.
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