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Coughlin's blind loyalty to Fewell has cost us...

OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 7:52 pm
many winning seasons! I'm tired of the excuses. Let me count the ways about your D the last four years...


Ranking
PT Yards
17 22 (2014 and going up)
18 8 (2013 against a lot of backups)
12 31 (2012)
25 27 (2011)


Tired of it. They have to change this whole thing after this year. What a disgrace. Excuses after excuses the past four years.
What about  
Josh in the City : 10/19/2014 7:54 pm : link
his blind loyalty to Quinn?
Yeah ...  
Mike in Raleigh : 10/19/2014 7:54 pm : link
but people will say it's ALL talent issues ... and not scheme! Add me to the list of "not a Fewell fan" ... IMO ... He is trying to be too crafty ... (too much like Rod Rust).
I agree.  
BigBlueinDE : 10/19/2014 7:55 pm : link
I've seen enough of the inability to get off the field on 3rd down time and time again in critical stops.

Too many mental errors, poor tackling and way too many WR's wide open.
Can't wait  
Josh in the City : 10/19/2014 7:55 pm : link
to hire Rex Ryan as DC.
Well three years ago they won a superbowl so you are a moron.  
gmen1234 : 10/19/2014 7:55 pm : link
But they are professionals and the coordinators can only tell them what to do.
Sign me up  
Emil : 10/19/2014 7:56 pm : link
For the fire Perry Fewell train. I'm not one to over react but I am tired of watching tired, timid, uninspired defense. One or two guys play with fire out there, defense is at least 50% desire and the only time we've seen it under Fewell is in the 2011 playoff run. This is Big Blue, and that is supposed to mean defense.
Fewell's defense is totally reliant on TO's... when they dont get them  
GloryDayz : 10/19/2014 7:56 pm : link
they cant get off the field.

Thats always been the case with him.
gmen  
Emil : 10/19/2014 7:57 pm : link
Yes three years ago they won the Superbowl, but the defense barely contributed to that run. You can say they showed up in the playoffs, but Eli and the WRs saved that season.
gmen1234  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 8:01 pm : link
look at my thread. Three years ago this D sucked ass. That SB was all Eli and Cruz/Nicks that year. But for some strange reason, every "moron" thinks are D was great. The numbers speak for themselves.
Emil ...  
Mike in Raleigh : 10/19/2014 8:01 pm : link
I agree ... and I think most here would agree.
If you are firing Fewell  
Patrick77 : 10/19/2014 8:02 pm : link
You absolutely need to fire Quinn. If you are firing two long time coordinators you might as well fire the head coach too.
Fewell is one of the cordinators  
JoefromPa : 10/19/2014 8:04 pm : link
that keeps with his system regardless of the results. He doesn't seem to buy into the adage that , "If you keep doing what you're doing, you keep getting what you're getting."
I rarely post but...  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 8:04 pm : link
I had to today. Like I said last year, this has been the same shit the past four years. Coughlin's blind loyalty to this guys has produced nothing but mediocrity from a defense perspective.
RE: Fewell is one of the cordinators  
arcarsenal : 10/19/2014 8:07 pm : link
In comment 11930045 JoefromPa said:
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that keeps with his system regardless of the results. He doesn't seem to buy into the adage that , "If you keep doing what you're doing, you keep getting what you're getting."


What does this even mean?

What did you want to see more of today? Man coverage? We got beat line a drum playing man coverage routinely. Blitzes? Even when a guy like Demps has a free lane to the QB he whiffs.

We are completely depleted at CB, we have one good safety, our OLB's are totally suspect and our front 4 can't get to the QB.

I'd love to know what some of you guys think the answer is. Sometimes the personnel just isn't good enough.

I wonder if Dan Quinn over in Seattle forgot how to coach defense or if his talent level simply isn't what it was last year.
Patrick77...  
OzzieFel : 10/19/2014 8:07 pm : link
I agree. They have to blow this whole thing up. I'm a huge fan of Coughlin butI think he has to go after this year. Eli's on pace to have his best season ever and we need to put the pieces around him before it's to late.
Arc  
dep026 : 10/19/2014 8:10 pm : link
come on.... you are his biggest defender on this site, and every time we lose to a decent QB (which is a theme the last 3 years) we always say their is no talent.

We cant use the same excuses game after game for him. He put Fenner on Bryant. He put Jenkins in coverage, he played that goddamn soft zone when the Cowboys were reeling. His blitzes get home once every 4 weeks.

The excuses have run dried. Its time to face fact that he may not be a good coordinator.
He didn't hand pick Fenner to cover Dez.  
arcarsenal : 10/19/2014 8:14 pm : link
Dez lined up in the slot, we were in man, that's who his designation was. Everyone loves man coverage until it doesn't work. Which we saw numerous times today.

It's not even about Fewell. People just think coaches have far more impact than the personnel. Going into this year, I liked who we had. Then we lost Thurmond, then DRC got banged up, then we lost McBride, Beason has never been healthy, etc.

How come the Seahawks defense isn't scaring anyone anymore and keep getting 30 points dropped on them ? Is it Quinn or is it their personnel?

We can fire Fewell and hire someone else and we'll get similarly crappy results.
Jerry Reese and all coaches  
napoleon : 10/19/2014 8:20 pm : link
Need pink slips. Start fresh.

The awful talent pool that Reese has provided is exacerbated by poor coaching.
So your saying Reese completely fucked up  
prdave73 : 10/19/2014 8:21 pm : link
And did nothing this past offseason to bring talent to the Giants defense??
Arc is killing it with sound logic...  
nyblue56 : 10/19/2014 9:02 pm : link
On this thread. There is very little a dc can do, when the secondary is depleted, the D line plays flat, and your best corner on the field can't handle their best wr. You can't bench Jp for taking plays off, you can't stop Jenkins for being hurt, you are force to play Jaron holey with all the injuries, and you have to find a way to mask the fact your lb core is the slowest in the nfl.
Wow Arc you never stop defending PW  
Chris L. : 10/19/2014 10:08 pm : link
doesn't matter how many games he gives up 30* points you always have some reason why he gets a pass. No more passes. He is gone at the end of this season and there are lots of folks on this board who will be VERY happy. Can't believe you are giving him a pass on the third and six when he rushed only three and had Fenner cover Dez. If you can rationalize that then there is nothing we can say to you to change you're mind.
Bring back  
spike : 10/19/2014 10:17 pm : link
Spag!!!!
I realize every team has injuries/suspensions but  
mrvax : 10/19/2014 10:48 pm : link
just think about how much better our defense would be with Hill, Thurmond, McBride, Taylor and a healthy DRC on the roster.
Our  
blue42 : 10/19/2014 11:18 pm : link
Safety play is terrible, maybe beyond terrible. The lbs are bad, we have one pass rusher doing anything. I don't like Fewell, his guys are always confused.
wasn't Fewell's M.O. coming out of Buffalo  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 12:32 am : link
was being the ra-ra guy that players would run through walls for?
RE: He didn't hand pick Fenner to cover Dez.  
HomerJones45 : 10/20/2014 12:49 am : link
In comment 11930120 arcarsenal said:
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Dez lined up in the slot, we were in man, that's who his designation was. Everyone loves man coverage until it doesn't uwork. Which we saw numerous times today.

It's not even about Fewell. People just think coaches have far more impact than the personnel. Going into this year, I liked who we had. Then we lost Thurmond, then DRC got banged up, then we lost McBride, Beason has never been healthy, etc.

How come the Seahawks defense isn't scaring anyone anymore and keep getting 30 points dropped on them ? Is it Quinn or is it their personnel?

We can fire Fewell and hire someone else and we'll get similarly crappy results.
yep. When the other team's receivers are bigger, faster and quicker than your defenders, there are only so many holes that you can cover up. Lot of people don't get that.
RE: gmen1234  
gmen1234 : 10/20/2014 7:34 pm : link
In comment 11930020 OzzieFel said:
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look at my thread. Three years ago this D sucked ass. That SB was all Eli and Cruz/Nicks that year. But for some strange reason, every "moron" thinks are D was great. The numbers speak for themselves.


The defense didn't contribute to the superbowl run? They shutout Atlanta (only a safety), held Green Bay to 20, San Fran to 17 and New England to 17. Yeah they sucked. Fucking idiot.
It's like people around here don't have any memory  
Enoch : 10/20/2014 7:45 pm : link
of Sheridan and Lewis.

Fewell's got his flaws, but he is by no means a bad DC.
RE: Wow Arc you never stop defending PW  
arcarsenal : 10/20/2014 7:53 pm : link
In comment 11930557 Chris L. said:
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doesn't matter how many games he gives up 30* points you always have some reason why he gets a pass. No more passes. He is gone at the end of this season and there are lots of folks on this board who will be VERY happy. Can't believe you are giving him a pass on the third and six when he rushed only three and had Fenner cover Dez. If you can rationalize that then there is nothing we can say to you to change you're mind.


You'll all be "VERY happy" until you realize the defense won't get much better until the personnel does.

And again, people like you don't quite understand how defense works. Fewell didn't call in a play where Fenner was supposed to shadow Dez Bryant. He called for man coverage and had Fenner playing in the slot as the Nickel CB. Guess where Dez lined up?

Like I said. Everyone loves man coverage until a shitty CB gets singled up on a superior WR and gets torched.

Also, the Seahawks also gave up 30 points to the Cowboys last week. So I guess Dan Quinn is as clueless as Perry Fewell. Or maybe his personnel isn't quite as great as it was last year.
Arc, everyone wants to see man-press coverage here  
David in LA : 10/20/2014 8:03 pm : link
guess what happens when someone like Dez beats you off the jam? Basically the 2nd half of yesterday happens.
So what if the Giants won a SB a few years ago?  
jpennyva : 10/20/2014 8:46 pm : link
That was then, this is now. Clearly what worked then isn't working now with respect to PF although some of the personnel are certainly different. Yes, having a banged up defense certain contributes to their woes but they just didn't seem PREPARED for this game - did they watch any film the week before? It's not just about the plays called the day of, preparation is huge and the Giants did not seem well prepared for this game at all.
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