I think that I am at least a moderately respected poster in these parts and most know that this type of opinion or overreaction is not my norm. I want to preface this by saying that I am not speaking out of emotion or frustration but more so disappointment.
This team has talent. There are talented players on the roster. The quarterback is a proven winner and extremely gifted. But yet, they flounder in mediocrity.
It’s the little things. The frequent, drive killing/drive extending penalties. The stubbornness/repetitiveness of play calling. What seems to be a lack of desire/motivation at times. What seems to be a lack of preparation. The mental errors and lack of in-game adjustments is maddening. The nagging injuries. They can’t win the close ones. They are making the critical mistakes to lose games. For a coach that emphasizes attention to detail, this is poorly coached team. They can’t make plays when plays need to be made on either side of the ball. The inconsistencies with this team are completely mind-boggling. Lately, this team has come up small in big spots.
My fear is that we are wasting away the prime years of the best QB this franchise has ever seen with poor coaching. There is too much talent on the roster to miss the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons. Soon to be 5 out of the last 6 seasons.
For all intents and purposes, this season is over and it’s not even Halloween yet. For the second season in a row. I will always love Coughlin for what he has done for this franchise and I am forever grateful but the coaching staff from top to bottom has done a poor job. From preparation to in-game coaching to simple development of players.
It is time for a change. It was time for a change at the end of last season, but the proper changes were not made.
To be frank, I don’t really care if people disagree with this post and I don’t really care how this post is perceived. This team is too damn good to miss the playoffs so frequently.
talent is a valid point, but good coaches can coach them up...we're not the only team with injuries.
Marinelli came in and lit a fire under the asses of the defense.
Linehan came in and stabilized the offense and stopped Garrett from passing almost 70% of the time.
Now look. 6-1.
But 2007 was filled with quality players. The LBs and secondary were so-so at times (although Webster's rise was crazy), but the Dline was borderline historically good, great D-coordinator, strong O-line, strong at the skill positions, rookies contributing. You can't argue SB42 was flukish b/c they played NE tight week 17, too.
The general point that this team has under Coughlin been mostly mediocre and fortunate to have these crazy highs is on point, however. Very frustrating. No consistency at all.
Will let the season play out, but if it's another 8-8 or worse year, I'm good with a chance.
2) every year Fewell's D has had trouble getting pressure, ineffective blitzes, communication problems in the secondary, allowing teams off the hook on 3rd and long, failed to get the big stops when they ned them, etc. he sucks and should have been fired 2 years ago.
3) I love Coughlin and am thrilled he was hired when he was. But, if they fail to make the playoffs again, which looks very likely, then it is his time to go. For a couple of years now, we have been completely outplayed too many times. More importantly, we have played with a lack of discipline the is supposed to abhor.
The mistake we made is starting the rebuilding process a year too late. We patched together a veteran roster last year on the faint hope we could play a Super Bowl at MetLife, and it blew up in our faces. We've made progress since then, but there's plenty more that needs to be done. It all starts in the trenches. We need to beef up our defensive line if we plan on stopping Dallas or Philly anytime soon. They have monster OLs.
Coaching matters but Dallas is a much better team.
Philadelphia has beaten the Giants 6 out of the last 9.
Just to make everyone aware.
We get pushed around a lot on both lines.
im fine for moving on fro coughlin after this year too because it always goes stale. But please dont try and sell me on the gints of his era as having done anything but grossly overachieved to win the 2 sb they did
We get pushed around a lot on both lines.
That is on Reese.
im fine for moving on fro coughlin after this year too because it always goes stale. But please dont try and sell me on the gints of his era as having done anything but grossly overachieved to win the 2 sb they did
2008 they were the best team in football.
Walton, Mosley, maybe Pugh, Kiwi, Williams, Parker, Demps...these are JAGs or worse. And they're out there against quality opponents. Recipe for loss.
Philadelphia has beaten the Giants 6 out of the last 9.
Just to make everyone aware.
usually the same way each time, too.
Dallas kills us with TEs and Philly D with the inside blitz.
Look at the line for example: sure Smith, Martin and Frederick are 1st all round picks.
Pugh is a 1st round pick and Richburg and Beatty are 2nd round picks. So they all have talent.
So why are Richburg, Beatty and Pugh so inconsistent why Smith, Martin and Frederick are considered some of the best? My guess is coaching.
Is Jerry Jones a superior GM to Jerry Reese? I am not buying that for a single minute. So what is the difference? Coaching and ability to develop young talent.
Example: Ronald Leary and Jeremy Purnell, both undrafted, played extremely well today. Why? They have grown in system and been developed.
I am looking squarely at Pat Flaherty in regards to the struggles of the offensive linemen.
I don't think we go 9-7. I think we will have another 7-9 record and that to me means it is time for a major change. Missing the playoffs year after year and then having 2 losing years in a row. You can't just say better luck next year.
im fine for moving on fro coughlin after this year too because it always goes stale. But please dont try and sell me on the gints of his era as having done anything but grossly overachieved to win the 2 sb they did
I don't see how you can argue SB42 was "grossly overachieving". They were a quality team that just needed to figure some things out. After the 1st 2 games and outside of the Vikings debacle, every game was a win or pretty close that year.
The evidence that they were organically building a quality team and not a streaky fluke...look no further than the following season where, as chris points out, they were a juggernaut until fuckface shot himself.
And here is the issue I have: why aren't those adjustments made?
Everyone under the sun knows Philadelphia will blitz in the A gaps and Dallas will run intermediate routes with TE's. Why aren't there game plans to prevent this?
46 was overachieving.
An improbable fluke towards that SB is off base.
See my previous post. I'm not saying the Giants got unlucky because they didn't win in 08; just that that season "vindicated" the 42 win as not being flukish. As Sean points out, they were 15-1 from that stretch till Plax went down. You don't do that by fluke.
Its up to Reese and Ross to add a lot more talent to both sides of the ball. As for the coached, that's on TC. Let's put it this way it took Mara to say something to get a coaching change. Does he have to do it again ? What about adding more talent to the team? We have so many sports to add talent and not enough draft picks to cover it all. Will we break the bank and sign big time free agents? Perhaps go after Suh?
From the end of 2007 till near the end of 2008, the Giants were the best team in football and it wasn't that close.
Dallas and Philly are better just about everywhere, on paper and as the last 2 weeks have proven on the field. Just about everywhere except QB, which brings us back to that mutual fear.
however you slice it, the TC/Eli administration has two titles which is better than a lot of teams in the NFL. It must make Eagle fans sick just thinking about, which is damn nice.
Your telling me Beatty forgot how to play, Pugh regressed and Richburg is stagnant and Flaherty isn't to blame?
All high draft picks, all talented and now underachieving?
Flaherty has a wonderful history, I get that, but I am less than impressed over the last few seasons. Especially considering that Ron Leary and Jeremy Purnell (both undrafted) just put on a clinic.
How did they do so well? They (along with the other studs along the Dallas line) have been coached flawlessly.
But, it's also a lack of talent on the whole. There's a lot of pedestrian football players on this team, and there's a number of very young men seeing a lot of snaps because of injuries, and shite depth.
This was a 4-win team last season, it's probably a 6/7-win team this season if they can get some health intact. The OL, DL, LB, and DB ranks all lack parts, and the receiving corps is very young now. So, they're battling the sum of poor coaching, lack of talent, and growing pains all at once. Imo.
Your telling me Beatty forgot how to play, Pugh regressed and Richburg is stagnant and Flaherty isn't to blame?
All high draft picks, all talented and now underachieving?
Flaherty has a wonderful history, I get that, but I am less than impressed over the last few seasons. Especially considering that Ron Leary and Jeremy Purnell (both undrafted) just put on a clinic.
How did they do so well? They (along with the other studs along the Dallas line) have been coached flawlessly.
I'm telling you that Beatty wasn't very good to begin with. Our offensive line got better when he got hurt in 2011. He's had exactly one decent season in his entire career here, never should have been given that type of contract. Pugh has to be hurt. Richburg is a rookie, not sure why you expect a rookie to play so well with hot garbage around him.
The Cowboys offensive line had many growing pains building this line. It didn't happen overnight, it took Smith time, even last year they were struggling in spots. They've built this over time, it didn't just magically happen because they have flawless coaching like you want to believe.
So Pierre-Paul goes from 16.5 sacks to less than mediocre in less than 2 seasons?
Pugh goes from progressing and looking like the best lineman on the team to horrid?
The inconsistency, and more specifically, the regression is insane. When players regress like that after showing such promise, the blame has to be places at the feet of the coaching staff.
Or perhaps it is the scheme. Put your best players in positions to succeed.
That leads me to believe the coaching staff is underachieving.
Especially at the main position: QB.
A big problem is both lines are frequently losing their battles badly.
Pugh in poor position? Getting beat regularly? Also Flaherty.
The 2011 team was pretty mediocre all year, until Week 16. Essentially almost every one of their games came down to whether or not Eli could drive them down to win in the last few minutes, and luckily he was able to a lot of the time. They too played 6 outstanding weeks of football when it mattered most, but if the comparison is 2007 Giants Games 1-14 v. 2011 Giants Games 1-14, I think the 2007 team was better by a mile.
Coaching is undoubtedly part of the problem, imv.
Pugh in poor position? Getting beat regularly? Also Flaherty.
Beatty didnt just fall off of a cliff. He had one fluke season in his entire career. We got better in 2011 when he got hurt, and that was with the turnstile David Diehl at left tackle.