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Eli last 2 weeks no int's...

JCin332 : 10/19/2014 8:06 pm
yet somehow the team is 0-2 and been outscored 58-21 over that span...

Who'd ever thunk it..?
Eli has been great  
Essex : 10/19/2014 8:08 pm : link
No need even really to discuss him. We need to figure out how to get better pieces around him for one more run before he is too old. He probably has 3, at most, 4 high quality years left
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Josh in the City : 10/19/2014 8:09 pm : link
The defense has been run all over  
BillT : 10/19/2014 8:10 pm : link
By two of the best backs in football. That's all you need to know about the 0 - 2.
This years seems to be about lifting Eli's over all numbers  
Zebra3 : 10/19/2014 8:15 pm : link
To get in the Hall. Winning is second to that.
RE: This years seems to be about lifting Eli's over all numbers  
Essex : 10/19/2014 8:16 pm : link
In comment 11930130 Zebra3 said:
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To get in the Hall. Winning is second to that.


I think you got this all figured out, by the way, who killed Kennedy?
14 TD's , 5 Ints - Comp % of something like 67%  
PatersonPlank : 10/19/2014 8:22 pm : link
and a QBR in the mid-upper 90's.
I like the theory  
Zebra3 : 10/19/2014 8:24 pm : link
About the guy SS with the M16 in the follow up car popping one off by accident and blowing the Presidents head off. 5.56 round tumbles can do that type of damage.
Giants obviously wanted to run in order to slow the pass rush  
Jupiter : 10/19/2014 8:35 pm : link
When it got to be halftime and they couldn't run, a smart coach would have gone all in with the WCO and tried to throw the ball to the RBs a bit, instead of trying to do the same thing over and over again.
RE: This years seems to be about lifting Eli's over all numbers  
AnishPatel : 10/19/2014 8:37 pm : link
In comment 11930130 Zebra3 said:
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To get in the Hall. Winning is second to that.


That's how I see it. We are not a SB team so he is not getting in with another win, at least not this year. This year is about getting his stats and trying to shed any judgements made regarding him.

That's the silver lining. It sucks to lose but if we are to lose then I want Eli to pile up stats. 116. something QB resting and 3 TDs is a damn good game.

RE: RE: This years seems to be about lifting Eli's over all numbers  
Zebra3 : 10/19/2014 8:40 pm : link
In comment 11930264 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 11930130 Zebra3 said:


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To get in the Hall. Winning is second to that.



That's how I see it. We are not a SB team so he is not getting in with another win, at least not this year. This year is about getting his stats and trying to shed any judgements made regarding him.

That's the silver lining. It sucks to lose but if we are to lose then I want Eli to pile up stats. 116. something QB resting and 3 TDs is a damn good game.


And I am right about the hungover secret service guy too.
Run game/OL has gone to hell the last two games  
Shockwave : 10/19/2014 8:43 pm : link
That's why..

When it comes down to match ups we just look really overpowered compared to other teams. Next year with all our cal money and they draft I think we are going to get the line we need
D can't stop  
Coughlin's Rules : 10/19/2014 9:02 pm : link
The run
There is zero way Eli can fix his career stats enough to be a HOFer at  
Riggies : 10/19/2014 9:14 pm : link
this point. His completion %, passer rating, TD:INT, etc. is just too far established to be improved as significantly as they'd have to be with how much time is left of his prime/career in general.

He needs that third ring and he's very, very likely not going to get that here (Maybe on another team? Who knows what his future with the Giants actually is now, as it's going to be an issue to deal with this offseason one way or another).
RE: There is zero way Eli can fix his career stats enough to be a HOFer at  
dep026 : 10/19/2014 9:19 pm : link
In comment 11930388 Riggies said:
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this point. His completion %, passer rating, TD:INT, etc. is just too far established to be improved as significantly as they'd have to be with how much time is left of his prime/career in general.

He needs that third ring and he's very, very likely not going to get that here (Maybe on another team? Who knows what his future with the Giants actually is now, as it's going to be an issue to deal with this offseason one way or another).


So if he ends up top 7 yards/TDs with 2 rings isnt good enough to get him in? Ok.

And I would look at other HOF QBs completion percentage and TD/INT ratio and see if he gets in.
RE: There is zero way Eli can fix his career stats enough to be a HOFer at  
mrvax : 10/19/2014 9:26 pm : link
In comment 11930388 Riggies said:
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He needs that third ring and he's very, very likely not going to get that here (Maybe on another team? Who knows what his future with the Giants actually is now, as it's going to be an issue to deal with this offseason one way or another).


No so, Riggies. If Eli does turn his stats around for the next few years, it will become obvious to the sportswriters that Eli stats were crap b/c of the old system he was in.
Every single one of Eli's rate stats for his career are mediocre, at  
Riggies : 10/19/2014 9:29 pm : link
best, dep, for his era. Some are, frankly, below average and that's before you really look at how ridiculously turnover prone he's been for most of his career for what the league was during his time in it (whether his fault or the system he played in).

He's going to compile counting stats somewhat (as did Kerry Collins, Drew Bledsoe and Vinny Testeverde, who are in the top 13 for passing yards -- not that I'm putting them on Eli's level as a QB in "reality")... until other guys from this era and coming ones shoot past him with their own pinball numbers pretty easily within a not long time frame.

He doesn't even have the "He's a winner!" thing going for him, given how consistently the Giants don't make the playoffs under him and how his career winning percentage as a starter is below guys like Romo.

I'm not saying I agree with it (because I don't really), but he doesn't get that third SB, he's pretty clearly not getting into the HOF. The last couple seasons unfortunately kissed any chance he had at fluffing up his numbers like he needed to goodbye.
RE: RE: There is zero way Eli can fix his career stats enough to be a HOFer at  
Riggies : 10/19/2014 9:32 pm : link
In comment 11930419 mrvax said:
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In comment 11930388 Riggies said:


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He needs that third ring and he's very, very likely not going to get that here (Maybe on another team? Who knows what his future with the Giants actually is now, as it's going to be an issue to deal with this offseason one way or another).



No so, Riggies. If Eli does turn his stats around for the next few years, it will become obvious to the sportswriters that Eli stats were crap b/c of the old system he was in.


You're giving sportswriters too much credit, vax.

Eli puts up a couple decent stat seasons, but the Giants still flop out of the playoffs, it does nothing for him and will offer no change of opinion on what he is or isn't -- actually, if anything, it'll just solidify for most that the two SBs were, in fact, flukes and that Manning was "carried" by his team both times to any degree that they weren't flukes.
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